Regions and subjects not discussed often

Raunchel

Banned
I'm a mathematician by profession, and i've been steering clear of covering what math and science look like in my TL (where, with a POD in 1540, descartes is clearly butterflied). Alternate math is really hard to cenceptualize, likely because put brains have been trained to work within the math systems we've been taught since elementary school.

Like what would calculus look like without the cartesian coordinate system??? I have no clue!

I know. It's nearly impossible to think of such things. At best you can delay developments a bit, but other directions are virtually impossible to think of, let alone write down in a sensible way.
 
Iraq is rarely covered historically on the site, especially late Abbasid period. My tl is the only one I know of. As well, the only threads specifically on Zanj or Khawarij or such rebellions are exceedingly rare. The late poster Nastle (banned for racism, I believe, which was quite annoying) was the only person I know of who started a thread dedicated t o the Khawarij and Shi'i in the early Umayyad period and mentioned battles that have actually never been mentioned on the site before such as Jamijam (Shi'i Khawarij alliance against the Umayyads).
 

Yun-shuno

Banned
No Hykso invasion, Mesopotamia never United.

Israelite Empire, Edomite Empire. Mycenae survives.

Seafaring Native American empire.

Tarascan empire, chichimeca empire.

Greater Roman expansion towards the Baltics.

Christian or remaining pagan Arabia.

Berber state

Protestant reformation either averted or crushed.

Just some ideas off the top of my head.
 
I'd like to see more on the Illyrians. The Balkans of Antiquity were a very interesting group of people who are overshadowed by Ancient Greeks and Romans. Same goes for the Scythians and Celts in that time period. In North America well, what about Cliffdwellers or Mound Builders who extended their reach or survived as a people into modern times?
 
To some extent, the Scythains are not covered often, although largely because of few sources I imagine.

I know that they are generally accepted as the basis of the Centaur myth... to the point where somebody told me "Hey, Civ 6 is introducing the Scythians!" and I was like "WTF? CENTAURS?!?!"
 
I'm a mathematician by profession, and i've been steering clear of covering what math and science look like in my TL (where, with a POD in 1540, descartes is clearly butterflied). Alternate math is really hard to cenceptualize, likely because put brains have been trained to work within the math systems we've been taught since elementary school.

Like what would calculus look like without the cartesian coordinate system??? I have no clue!
That is a cool thought!
 
I've noticed this here, but oftentimes, we assume that the American Indians groups were where they were when the white man met/fought them OTL, as opposed to independent potentials? American Indian history is rich in possibility as to how tribes could've migrated, who might've fought the white man, etc. Look at the Kiowas, for instance--they were once a Puebloan people, but they evolved into a Plains Indian group. Who else might've done that? The historical record suggests quite a few groups could have that didn't, simply because other groups did it first.

That's not even getting into alternate agriculture amongst the Indians, where different tribes might dominate and the whole thing turned upside down.

I say this because if you open up a history book on the Plains Indians, you can basically launch a million scenarios. Like what if the Cheyenne Indians don't want to become horse nomads? It's wrapped up in their mythology that they accepted the consequences of becoming like the Comanche when their god Maheo effectively offered them that chance. But what if their leaders refused to? It could easily be a different story in American Indian relations--the US will fight the Cheyenne in their homeland in Eastern South Dakota/Western Minnesota, instead of in Colorado, which will have huge influence on Colorado's settlemnt--no Sand Creek massacre for one, John Chivington's career isn't marred by his act of utter idiocy, etc. The Cheyenne's Maheo story, which is very telling in Plains Indian history, would not exist, but perhaps an analogue might, where the Cheyenne choose to stay where they are and keep to their traditional lifestyle. But barring alternate agriculture, that probably means another American Indian group might be fulfilling the role the Cheyenne did OTL. Which in turn might have butterflies on groups like the Sioux and such.
 
I'm a mathematician by profession, and i've been steering clear of covering what math and science look like in my TL (where, with a POD in 1540, descartes is clearly butterflied). Alternate math is really hard to cenceptualize, likely because put brains have been trained to work within the math systems we've been taught since elementary school.

Like what would calculus look like without the cartesian coordinate system??? I have no clue!

Curves could be defined with functions that give the curvature at any given point along the line. Finding self-intersections is a problem with mostly analogous treatment to integration, as is the question of area between two curves starting from the same ray. This second problem could itself easily give rise to a Cartesian coordinate system. These curves could be developed from trigonometry, by taking the problem of working with a chain of line segments and making the segments infinitesimally long. It's a problem with clear applications, for example in structural physics (catenary curves) or in any problem where an object takes a path through space.

These curves could be extended to higher dimensions to give you Riemann manifolds, treatment of which might also include conversion to a Cartesian coordinate system.

The problem of counting self-intersections could be used to develop the links between combinatorics (which could I think largely progress as OTL) and smooth geometry, indeed, one could also define classes of curves that share some particular self-intersection criteria.

Now, if you don't want Cartesian coordinate systems to appear at all, then I'm not sure how to make them not appear - once you work on problems where the solution involves the lengths of orthogonal vectors, then there's a chance someone will be interested in that very construct, and end up formalizing the coordinate system. If the Cartesian coordinate system arises after the area-between-curves problem is solved, or at least formalized, then you'd already mostly have the operator to represent a parametric-curvature curve as a Cartesian curve (for curves where it's possible). And for curves where it isn't, you'd probably see a quick development of parametric Cartesian curves, and differential equations used in solving the conversion to this system.

The question then is whether Cartesian functions would effectively supplant the curvature system, in which case a lot of subsequent math could be very similar to how it is OTL. If not though, then I'm starting to run out of ideas.
 
Cultural AH is a subject that seems really under represented, especially post 1900 pop-culture. I can only think of one topic that's come up regularly on the subject - WI Buddy Holly lives. I certainly may have missed or forgotten, but I can't recall anyone asking "WI Jim Morisson lived?", much less "WI Jackson Pollock survived?" or "WI Bauhaus never existed?"

I am having fun playing around with some ideas on the subject in the Selma Massacre.

I'm really interested in a timeline where American football simply didn't exist.

I have to admit, what I know about the sport I've learned just by being around it for ~30 years (I live in SE USA), so I won't be able to write a good timeline. OK...a timeline at all.

I made a thread asking what would replace it and what the effects would be, and it basically came to "rugby and soccer will replace it, but nothing will truly fill the massive gap." That's cool, we came to an answer, and I'm satisfied with it. It wasn't until I read this post that I realized my desire for a full TL.

My friend Google says that Teddy Roosevelt introduced reforms to make football safer and more interesting. Also, he was too frail to play as a kid. These are two good points for me to start, so I'll look into them and see what I can do.

Here I come, deep dark labyrinth of the internet!
 
I'm really interested in a timeline where American football simply didn't exist.

I have to admit, what I know about the sport I've learned just by being around it for ~30 years (I live in SE USA), so I won't be able to write a good timeline. OK...a timeline at all.

I made a thread asking what would replace it and what the effects would be, and it basically came to "rugby and soccer will replace it, but nothing will truly fill the massive gap." That's cool, we came to an answer, and I'm satisfied with it. It wasn't until I read this post that I realized my desire for a full TL.

My friend Google says that Teddy Roosevelt introduced reforms to make football safer and more interesting. Also, he was too frail to play as a kid. These are two good points for me to start, so I'll look into them and see what I can do.

Here I come, deep dark labyrinth of the internet!

I totally forgot sporting PODs. Football seems to be a perennial topic that gets frequent WIs but not many actual TLs.
 
I totally forgot sporting PODs. Football seems to be a perennial topic that gets frequent WIs but not many actual TLs.

Yeah, with so many bigger (muscular or otherwise) guys not really fit for the speed of soccer, would they just become rugby players or wrestlers? Well, if these guys still exist, that is.

Maybe I just want to see Broadway Joe vs. Larry Zbyszko for the WWWhatever Championship.
 
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