Regarding Μεγάλη Ιδέα

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CKP

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In Regards to my Threat been closed, as the last comment mentioned the Nazis expansion I owned to myself to write the below as I did not had the adequate time to post it



‘It depends how you see it dear Leo. For you might look as a nationalistic plan. However you do forget that Turkey conquered the whole of Greece from 1000 AD to 1500 AD. Greece became a state again in 1833 after a 12 years national liberating war. So the ΜεγαλήΙδέα, does not express vital space and expansion as in Nazi Reich. It express a national Liberation war of the Greek nation and the areas that historically and up until 1923 used to live from the occupation of one of the stronger empires of the earth. That why it is called Great Idea, as a small nation was fighting against an empire by itself within the empire and power system of Europe and Near East. Don’t forget that in the areas of today’s Turkey we are talking about the Greek used to live and were a majority from 2000 BC up until 1923. The Turks enter in the area after a victory of theirs against us in 107somthing.’


In regards to comment to documented sources.

Everything can be found easily in the net and I have already included so

1. Ottoman Steam Navy 1828-1923
2. Greek Naval Strategy and Policy 1910-1919
3. Memoirs of Kemal Ataturk, Leader and father of the Turks
4. Times History of the 20th Century
5. Papyrus Larose Encyclopedia
6. Trotsky’s memoirs as a correspondent during the Balkan’s War
7. The Mediterranean Naval Situation and Greek Naval policy from the Ethiopian Crisis to the outbreak of the Second World War
 

archaeogeek

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What's with dead horses and the Balkans.
Also the Bulgarians and Albanians (whose presence is very nearly as old as the greeks) would disagree with this bullshit about Megali. Megali is expansionism, it's imperialism under the guise of Italia Irredenta, a fascist concept.

Anyway, I suspect it will be closed in a bit.
 

CKP

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Nope that is called throwing mud to others so to support my idea and my personnal friends... Megali Idea has nothing to do with Fascist consepts.. and It is considered and taught in universities (the Greek revbolution and after) as the first national liberation movement as equal and with the French revolution and the American Independance war
 
It's expansionism. Compare it to irredentism, or Manifest Destiny, or Russian pan-Slavic nationalism, or calls for Grossdeutschland, or the French ambition of recovering Alsace-Lorraine. It's not fascist, per se, but that's largely because it emerged before fascism did; it certainly comes from the same nationalist, jingoistic roots that gave birth to fascism.

It's not comparable to the French Revolution, which was an explicitly political revolution, seeking to overthrow monarchism (even if it shifted into a program of imperial expansion, warfare was conducted for political, not ethnic, purposes; there was no program of uniting all the Gallics or all the French or something like that).
 

maverick

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Closed and Banned.

No Nationalist trolling or Ethnic Cleansing in Post-1900 from now on, please.
 
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