regan dies from assasination, john lennon lives.
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You're not an American, are you? Reagan's vice president was a guy named George Bush. Bush succeeded Reagan as president and his son (unfortunately) is the current president. Had Reagan been assassinated in 1981, I don't think too much would've changed. Bush would've become president then of course and would've been elected in 1984, but couldn't have been reelected in 1988 because he would've served too much of Reagan's term. So we would've had an incumbentless election in 1988 just like we did on OTL. If John Lennon had survived, he would've made more music, but it's doubtful he would've had a significant impact on the course of history. So, basically, Reagan dies and Lennon lives most likely produces little in the way of change.
radical_neutural said:
Please do. Add a few (make that a LOT) of FACTS.
Wow.
Sure it wasn't the Israeli's? That seems to be the other loony tune version of blaming the victims for Terrorism.
Maybe it was Israel, the U.S. Jewish conspiracy (led by the Famous Jewish POTUS G. W. Bush), and the media. (It actually didn't happen! Wag the Dog!!!)
JEDCJT said:
Sure, if you ignore his firing of the air traffice controllers, a nearly doubled defficit, the War on Drugs, the increased gap between the rich and poor, and Iran-CONTRA. Not to mention fucking farmers. But other than that, he was a fine president.
How. . . I mean Bush's right hand foreign policy people have been black. There are several black cabinet officers. Don't try to have Bush be the bad guy in the Boer War. That's just pushing it too far.Floid said:
As far as Lennon, what would happen is that he would become a has bin, his message would have been lost, and his legacy would vanish.
Originally Posted by radical_neutural
the soviet union fell because of bankruptcy, not because of an evil war criminal united states prez. regan was an evil bastard and the world would be better f without out him. if the soviet union didn't fall, no distructive california gang wars in the early 90's. no crack wars in the 80's, because it was under regan that the CIA began to import cociane. regan should have died and lennon should have lived. lennon was a great man and activist, regan was an evil bastard. as for yugoslavia, the americans hurt as much as they helped, the rest of europe would have done something.
Never did I think that I would do this - Support Ronald REAGAN! (At least get the name right, doofus!) Do you do all of your research reading the World Weekly and other supermarket tabloids? Hot Flash: Michael Jackson is NOT actually a Space Alien!
The USSR went broke, in large part, trying to keep up with the U.S. military build-up in the 1980's. Reagan was possibly the only politicial who could have pulled off the peaceful resolution of the Cold War, thanks, in no small part, to his personal relationship with Gorbachev.
Crack wars & drug gangs exist because the money is terrific & the kids who are the ones who get killed are expendable to the big dollar dealers.
John Lennon was great song writer in the 1960's. He had stood in one place and watched the world pass him by. Had he lived, he would be another refugee of the 60's making a living playing music that is so old that the PARENTS of today's high school kids only remember it as oldies.
Do yourself a favor - Read a book.
Do the rest of the board a favor - Use a spell-checker for a change.
the soviet union fell because of bankruptcy, not because of an evil war criminal united states prez. regan was an evil bastard and the world would be better f without out him. if the soviet union didn't fall, no distructive california gang wars in the early 90's. no crack wars in the 80's, because it was under regan that the CIA began to import cociane. regan should have died and lennon should have lived. lennon was a great man and activist, regan was an evil bastard. as for yugoslavia, the americans hurt as much as they helped, the rest of europe would have done something.
Never did I think that I would do this - Support Ronald REAGAN! (At least get the name right, doofus!) Do you do all of your research reading the World Weekly and other supermarket tabloids? Hot Flash: Michael Jackson is NOT actually a Space Alien!
The USSR went broke, in large part, trying to keep up with the U.S. military build-up in the 1980's. Reagan was possibly the only politicial who could have pulled off the peaceful resolution of the Cold War, thanks, in no small part, to his personal relationship with Gorbachev.
Crack wars & drug gangs exist because the money is terrific & the kids who are the ones who get killed are expendable to the big dollar dealers.
John Lennon was great song writer in the 1960's. He had stood in one place and watched the world pass him by. Had he lived, he would be another refugee of the 60's making a living playing music that is so old that the PARENTS of today's high school kids only remember it as oldies.
Do yourself a favor - Read a book.
Do the rest of the board a favor - Use a spell-checker for a change.
reformer said:
If Bush was alive during the Boer War, he'd have to be over a hundred years old by the Eighties.
CalBear said:Do the rest of the board a favor - Use a spell-checker for a change.
You do realize that we don't have spell check.
CalBear said:
Who the hell is going to sit at a computr with a dicktionarie in there hands?
The breakup of the USSR had nothing to do with Reagan. It happened because of Gorbachev. Reagan wasn't the worst president we ever had, but he was certainly no hero. BTW, it was Clinton who ordered the bombing of Yugoslavia.Redbeard said:Without Reagan I think we might still have a Soviet Union or at least have its end postponed until now. And considering how lucky we really were in the relatively peaceful dismemberment of that evil empire I'd hate to do it all over - I fear we can't be that lucky again.
Next, if without Reagan I fear we have a much weaker USA. I think it is difficult to overestiamte the effect Reagan had on the rebirth of American self-confidence. Without that, things are likely to go beserk in a lot of places in the world - as there will be no US President with the guts and will to smack the crooks. Just imagine what had happened in Yugoslavia without US resolve to put a stop to attrocities
...or what do you think Saddam will be like when allowed to keep his Kuwaitian loot, or just allowed to play games with weapon inspectors?
When Reagan came to power I considered him a 100% fool, but the more I learn the closer I get to seeing him as a true 20th century hero!
Regards
Steffen Redbeard
Lennon not getting shot wouldn't have changed anything, apart from giving the world a few more pop songs. Reagan getting shot in 1981 would have had massive effects.