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What if the Reform Party had ended up being a viable third party in the United States, sort of like how the LibDems have been in the UK.

I'm thinking there'd need to be a number of wins other than Ventura in 1998.

1) Ross Perot runs for Senate and wins as an independent in 1993. In 1994 Perot wins reelection. When the Reform Party is founded in 1995, Perot is its Senator.

2) Ross Perot wins Maine in 1992 (it was 38-30-30 historically). Angus King gets elected Governor in 1994 as an independent and in 1995 joins the Reform Party.

3) Sanders joins the Reform Party as an at-large congressman for Vermont. Perot supported Medicare for All and was anti-NAFTA, so a Reform Party Sanders isn't that whacky a concept.

4) Jim Trafficant had an iffy relationship with the Democratic Party. I could see him joining the Reform Party.

5) Tim Penny doesn't retire from Congress in 1994 and in 1995 changes parties to join the Reform Party, giving the party a sitting Senator.

6) The 1996 Reform Party ticket is Dick Lamm (Colorado Democrat Governor) and Ed Zschau (California Republican Congressman) instead of Perot. Perot focuses instead on financing other candidates and recruiting candidates.

7) Ron Paul runs as a Reform Party candidate for Congress in 1996 rather than as a Republican.

8) Dean Barkley wins either as an independent house candidate in 1992 or as a Senate Candidate in 1994 or 1996.

Thoughts?
 
What if the Reform Party had ended up being a viable third party in the United States, sort of like how the LibDems have been in the UK.

I'm thinking there'd need to be a number of wins other than Ventura in 1998.

1) Ross Perot runs for Senate and wins as an independent in 1993. In 1994 Perot wins reelection. When the Reform Party is founded in 1995, Perot is its Senator.

2) Ross Perot wins Maine in 1992 (it was 38-30-30 historically). Angus King gets elected Governor in 1994 as an independent and in 1995 joins the Reform Party.

3) Sanders joins the Reform Party as an at-large congressman for Vermont. Perot supported Medicare for All and was anti-NAFTA, so a Reform Party Sanders isn't that whacky a concept.

4) Jim Trafficant had an iffy relationship with the Democratic Party. I could see him joining the Reform Party.

5) Tim Penny doesn't retire from Congress in 1994 and in 1995 changes parties to join the Reform Party, giving the party a sitting Senator.

6) The 1996 Reform Party ticket is Dick Lamm (Colorado Democrat Governor) and Ed Zschau (California Republican Congressman) instead of Perot. Perot focuses instead on financing other candidates and recruiting candidates.

7) Ron Paul runs as a Reform Party candidate for Congress in 1996 rather than as a Republican.

8) Dean Barkley wins either as an independent house candidate in 1992 or as a Senate Candidate in 1994 or 1996.

Thoughts?
It's a well though out TL so far. I like the idea of a general, anti-establishment reformist coalition that can include Sanders, Perot, and Paul. Donald Trump actually considered a run on the reform party ticket back in 2000, but backed out of it after seeing how dived the Reform Party is. Their biggest challenge was the implosion and infighting around 2000. The party was just Ross Perot's campaign in '92 and '96, but it lost a core message or ideology by the late '90s/early '00s. If the party builds it message around a general anti-war stance, a pro-civil liberties position, and a non-interventionist foreign policy that could build a lot of Reform Party support in the Bush and Obama years.
 
1) Ross Perot runs for Senate and wins as an independent in 1993. In 1994 Perot wins reelection. When the Reform Party is founded in 1995, Perot is its Senator.
Nothing I could find gave an answer as to why Perot opted to not run in the race, but he certainly still had a large basis of support and was openly courted by the candidates running, his bloc of supporters being seen as key to taking or holding the seat. At the time though he was crossing the country back and forth, working to organize "United We Stand" beyond a Presidential vehicle into one that would lobby and pressure political figures, endorse like-minded individuals and so on, and he was also actively putting pressure on the Clinton Administration publicly.

Now I can certainly see him winning against Krueger in Texas (I see him knocking Hutchinson down to third in the blanket primary), but he may not be able to put the same sort of organizational effort he did historically if he is concentrating on two campaigns (the Special Election in '93 and then the Regular Election in '94), campaigning for candidates he endorsed during the 1994 Midterms, and serving on Capitol Hill.

2) Ross Perot wins Maine in 1992 (it was 38-30-30 historically). Angus King gets elected Governor in 1994 as an independent and in 1995 joins the Reform Party.
I haven't seen any evidence that Angus King wanted to have anything to do with the Reform Party despite be mentioned as a Presidential prospect for '96 (albeit a weak one), and I believe he would have comfortably remained an Independent.

3) Sanders joins the Reform Party as an at-large congressman for Vermont. Perot supported Medicare for All and was anti-NAFTA, so a Reform Party Sanders isn't that whacky a concept.
Sanders has historically been proud of his status as an Independent since leaving the Liberty Union Party, so I can't see him joining. An associate maybe, in the same way he is with the Democrats, but not an out-and-out member.

4) Jim Trafficant had an iffy relationship with the Democratic Party. I could see him joining the Reform Party.
I can see Trafficant making the jump, though whether it would actually be of benefit to the Reform Party is up in the air; certainly would make it more colorful.

5) Tim Penny doesn't retire from Congress in 1994 and in 1995 changes parties to join the Reform Party, giving the party a sitting Senator.
He wouldn't be a Senator, he would be a Representative. However, Penny might indeed opt to join the Reform Party given enough convincing.

6) The 1996 Reform Party ticket is Dick Lamm (Colorado Democrat Governor) and Ed Zschau (California Republican Congressman) instead of Perot. Perot focuses instead on financing other candidates and recruiting candidates.
Not going to happen. There was a real concern that the Reform Party wasn't going to be able to procure Federal Bloc Grants because Perot had run as an Independent in 1992, meaning that it was possible that the Party might have had to nominate Perot again in order to access them. Rather than taking the risk (and also because Lamm was polling in the middle single digits) Perot allowed his name to be given consideration. Some do say that this decision caused lasting harm to the Reform Party, it did cause the 'first' schism with the formation of the American Reform 'Party' (it never really was one), but I don't believe so given there was little to harm.

7) Ron Paul runs as a Reform Party candidate for Congress in 1996 rather than as a Republican.
I don't see that happening, if only because the Reform Party wouldn't yet be established in Texas by '96 in a way that Congressional candidates could petition under its label. What I can see though is Paul running as a Republican and ousting Greg Laughlin as he did, this time with overt support from Ross Perot, and later formally joining the Party.

8) Dean Barkley wins either as an independent house candidate in 1992 or as a Senate Candidate in 1994 or 1996.
Barkley is liable to win any of those races, nor was that ever his goal; his concentration was more on Party-building, with the hope that the Reform Party might capture a handful of seats in the State House in '96. That of course didn't happen, and in '96 you had a lot of their high-tier members, such as Assemblyman Dominic Cortese of California, lose.

Thoughts?
It can probably be done, but it'll be hard, and it has to be done on a State-by-State basis given ballot access restrictions vary from State to State. It would be a very slow build though, and I'm not sure they'd have much success in 1998 or even 2000 under the most optimal of circumstances beyond defectors hanging onto their seats.
 
How likely is it that Ron Paul would join the same party as Bernie Sanders? Yes, they might be compatible on anti-NAFTA and non-interventionism, but Paul favours privatizing social security, selling federal land off to businesses, eliminating affirmative action, and a bunch of other policies that I really don't find amenable to Sanders' worldview.
 
How likely is it that Ron Paul would join the same party as Bernie Sanders? Yes, they might be compatible on anti-NAFTA and non-interventionism, but Paul favours privatizing social security, selling federal land off to businesses, eliminating affirmative action, and a bunch of other policies that I really don't find amenable to Sanders' worldview.

In our world the Reform Party nominates both Pat Buchanan and Ralph Nader within 4 years of each other. Given Perot’s focus was on NAFTA, that could be the sole litmus test and Reform candidates could hold a range of other opinions. Couple in civil liberties support, anti-interventionism (which Perot was largely onboard with) and opposition to “politics as usual,” you could get a third party that is big-tent enough for both Paul and Sanders.
 
In our world the Reform Party nominates both Pat Buchanan and Ralph Nader within 4 years of each other. Given Perot’s focus was on NAFTA, that could be the sole litmus test and Reform candidates could hold a range of other opinions. Couple in civil liberties support, anti-interventionism (which Perot was largely onboard with) and opposition to “politics as usual,” you could get a third party that is big-tent enough for both Paul and Sanders.

Given that many of these politicians are polar opposites of each other, its doubtful that such a coalition would last very long. Aside from Perot's retirement from politics, a big reason the Reform Party fell apart was internal disputes over ideology and policy. (Back in 2000, Trump ironically stood as the social liberal battling against the far right). There's no reason why that wouldn't apply here, in fact it would be worse due to the increased polarization of the liberal and conservative wings of the Reform Party.
 
Reform Party would fit nichies not found in other parties while be a broad coalition on other issues:

Niches:

1. Anti-Interventionist
2. Anti-Free Trade

Potential Niches

1. Anti-mass immigration
2. Pro-Pot/anti war on drugs

Social Issues it could vary by state.

It also would achieve more success if it focused on state campaigns-governors and state legislatures and local issues.
 
In addition, in 1996 it needed televised debates between Perot and Lamm. Even if it wanted Perot to win, it needed airtime for candidates. A primary or two wouldn't be bad either.

Perot as the 1994 Texas Governor is a good idea FYI. Butterfly's Bush
 
Given that many of these politicians are polar opposites of each other, its doubtful that such a coalition would last very long. Aside from Perot's retirement from politics, a big reason the Reform Party fell apart was internal disputes over ideology and policy. (Back in 2000, Trump ironically stood as the social liberal battling against the far right). There's no reason why that wouldn't apply here, in fact it would be worse due to the increased polarization of the liberal and conservative wings of the Reform Party.

I wonder how many people who voted for Ralph Nader were actively conscious that they were voting for the same party that had nominated Buchanan four years earlier.

Or think of it this way: Would the party have been able to nominate both Buchanan and Nader, as prez and veep(or vice versa, if you want) in the same year, and still be able to mount a coherent campaign?
 
I wonder how many people who voted for Ralph Nader were actively conscious that they were voting for the same party that had nominated Buchanan four years earlier.

Or think of it this way: Would the party have been able to nominate both Buchanan and Nader, as prez and veep(or vice versa, if you want) in the same year, and still be able to mount a coherent campaign?

No. They are way too different on so many issues.
 
For the long-term viability of the Reform Party, it'd probably be stuck with nominating folks who qualified as moderate overall. The party couldn't go from Perot to Buchanan to Nader or nominate Sanders or Paul right after each other. More likely, it'd nominate folks who could appeal to both right and left factions in the party-after Perot, Lamm might be a good fit. So would early 2000's Trump, Angus King, Buddy Roemer, Jim Webb or Jesse Ventura. Maybe even Gary Johnson could find a niche within the party if he toes the line on NAFTA. And the more hardcore figures might need to be appeased with vice presidential nominations.

Other figures I could see affiliating with the Reform Party (besides folks like Rocky de la Fuente and Andre Barnett who joined up OTL)
-Tulsi Gabbard
-Bob Barr
-Rand Paul
-Lisa Murkowski
-Cynthia McKinney
-Barbara Lee
-Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
-Ezola Foster
-Bob Conley (Dem challenger to Lindsey Graham who was a Paul supporting paleoconservative)
-Walter Jones
-John Eder
-Jill Stein
-Rocky Anderson
-Russ Feingold
-Robert Sarvis
-Steve Bannon
-Robby Wells (perennial candidate for the Constitution and Democratic Parties)
-Brian Moore (2000 Socialist Party presidential nominee)
-Lincoln Chafee
-Susan Collins
-Olympia Snowe


Potential tickets:
1992: Ross Perot/James Stockdale
1996: Ross Perot/Dick Lamm
2000: Dick Lamm/Ron Paul
2004: Donald Trump/Ralph Nader
2008: Angus King/Jesse Ventura
2012: Buddy Roemer/Rocky Anderson
2016: Jim Webb/Andre Barnett
2020: Gary Johnson/Tulsi Gabbard
 
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What if the Reform Party had ended up being a viable third party in the United States, sort of like how the LibDems have been in the UK.

I'm thinking there'd need to be a number of wins other than Ventura in 1998.

1) Ross Perot runs for Senate and wins as an independent in 1993. In 1994 Perot wins reelection. When the Reform Party is founded in 1995, Perot is its Senator.

2) Ross Perot wins Maine in 1992 (it was 38-30-30 historically). Angus King gets elected Governor in 1994 as an independent and in 1995 joins the Reform Party.

3) Sanders joins the Reform Party as an at-large congressman for Vermont. Perot supported Medicare for All and was anti-NAFTA, so a Reform Party Sanders isn't that whacky a concept.

4) Jim Trafficant had an iffy relationship with the Democratic Party. I could see him joining the Reform Party.

5) Tim Penny doesn't retire from Congress in 1994 and in 1995 changes parties to join the Reform Party, giving the party a sitting Senator.

6) The 1996 Reform Party ticket is Dick Lamm (Colorado Democrat Governor) and Ed Zschau (California Republican Congressman) instead of Perot. Perot focuses instead on financing other candidates and recruiting candidates.

7) Ron Paul runs as a Reform Party candidate for Congress in 1996 rather than as a Republican.

8) Dean Barkley wins either as an independent house candidate in 1992 or as a Senate Candidate in 1994 or 1996.

Thoughts?

(a) The Lib Dems in the UK were the descendant of a party--the Liberals--that had been around for a long time, and had always gotten a significant number of votes even when it had very few MP's.

In any event, the parliamentary system in the UK is much more favorable to third parties than the presidential system in the US. In the UK, a party with no chance of winning can still hold the balance of power in the House of Commons and can thus help to decide which party forms the Government. In the US, if a party doesn't have a real chance to win the presidency, it becomes thought of as "minor" and people are reluctant to vote for it even in non-presidential elections.

(b) It's really hard to think of a third party ever succeeding in the US unless one of the old parties was dead or willing to merge in a newer one. The Whigs were really a combination of already existing parties (the National Republicans and the Antimasons) with previously pro-Jackson elements that had turned against him (including Nullifiers). The Republicans were never really a third party; by the time they held their first national convention in 1856 the Whig Party was dead and the only real question was which party--the Republicans or the Americans (Know Nothings) would replace it as the main opposition to the Democrats. In 1992, the Republicans, though they had lost the election, were far from hopeless and quite unwilling to merge with Perot's supporters except on Republican terms.

(c) During the 1912 election, many of Teddy Roosevelt's supporters hoped that his new Progressive Party would become one of America's two major parties, as the Republicans had become in 1856. At first sight, the fact that TR slightly outpolled Taft in that election might have seemed to vindicate that hope. But TR knew better. As the late William E. Gienapp summarized it (in *The Origins of the Republican Party 1952-1856*, p. 3):

"...Roosevelt dismissed the idea that the two parties' situations were analogous. He observed pointedly that after its first national campaign the Republican party, unlike the Progressive, controlled a number of states, had elected a sizable contingent of congressmen, and most important, was 'overwhelmingly the second party in the nation.' Because a disaffected voter's support for another party was usually only temporary, third parties that did not quickly become the second party had no long-term prospects, the defeated Progressive leader argued. 'When we failed to establish ourselves at the very outset as the second party,' he continued, 'it became overwhelmingly probable that politics would soon sink back...into a two-party system, the Republicans and Democrats alternating in the first and second place.' As Roosevelt well understood, any new party had to confront the reality that the two-party system was a fundamental fact of American politics."

The Reform Party like the 1912 Progressives were basically centered on one man (their presidential candidate) and much weaker in non-presidential races. So unless that one man actually won--which was even less likely for Perot than for TR--they were unlikely to become a major party.

(d) Perot actually gets a few electoral votes? Plausible, but so what? TR in 1912, La Follette in 1924, Thurmond in 1948, and George Wallace in 1968 all got substantial numbers of electoral votes. That didn't save the 1912 Progressives, the 1924 Progressives, the Dixiecrats or the American Independent Party.

(e) Perot gets elected to the Senate as an independent? Hardly likely. Texas was not even one of his strongest states in 1992--he got 22 percent of the vote there, hardly above his national average. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1992 He could get 33 percent of the vote in 1993--and even if it all came out of Kay Bailey Hutchinson's vote, she would still win! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1992

(f) Sanders on Perot: "Although I agree with his critique of American trade policy and his opposition to NAFTA, I am no great fan of Ross Perot. There's no way he would be a major political leader if he weren't a billionaire. .." https://books.google.com/books?id=_2YjBm2_JGUC&pg=PA168 (He does go on to defend Perot's lengthy speeches, but he certainly does not seem to view him as a political ally.)
 
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I do think they could have made a bigger entrance on the scene had 1) Ross Perot founded the party ahead of his '92 run and 2) had other candidates run for the party (and perhaps even win) on downballot races. For instance, maybe Merrill Cook could have run under the Reform banner, with that extra publicity (and funding) pushing him over the top. A few wins could make them the go-to for independent politicians, leading to a surge of candidates in the following years— even if those later candidates don't win, it's still good for party health. Some possible candidates could be Angus King, Frank Fasi, Wes Watkins, Bob Healey… maybe Lowell Weicker's Connecticut Party becomes an affiliated branch.

That said, transforming this into an actual and stable political party is a challenge, and I'm skeptical it could be done. The American system really favours a two-party system, so unless the Reform Party can displace one, it's destined to fade away. I think the most it could hope for is finding some regional niche, like becoming the opposition party in a state where one of the two main parties is weak… and then, most likely, be absorbed into it (cf: the Minnesota Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party, the North Dakota Democratic-Nonpartisan League Party, or Alaska's weird Democratic–Libertarian–Independence fusion). This could be amusing if certain state parties break different ways, like a Democratic-Reform in Utah but a Republican-Reform in Hawaii…
 
The Reform Party is something a bit ahead of its time: something that could have really taken off far more in the post-2008 period than late 90s, in terms of absorbing anti-systemic sentiment in the general public.
 
(e) Perot gets elected to the Senate as an independent? Hardly likely. Texas was not even one of his strongest states in 1992--he got 22 percent of the vote there, hardly above his national average. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1992 He could get 33 percent of the vote in 1993--and even if it all came out of Kay Bailey Hutchinson's vote, she would still win! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1992
A couple of problems I have with this anaylsis.

First, I think we have all seen the polls where (~45%) of voters polled would have cast their ballots for Perot had they thought he could win, and should we compare that to his actual margin then he "would" have gotten (~52%) of the vote in Texas. That is far from definite, but Perot absolutely had a strong undercurrent in the State until that NAFTA debate with Gore. It isn't unreasonable to see him reaching into the low 40's in the first stage of the Special Election in Texas, especially given there would be confidence that he could actually win the race, he could self-fund (despite his difficulties in doing so on that front), and infrastructure from the Presidential election will still be there.

Second, Kay Hutchinson's campaign would have been severely damaged by Perot's entrance as she appealed in the race, and in the first leg she appealed primarily to more moderate or centrist voters, and managed to gather a lot of support from those associated with Perot's campaign (to the consternation of Richard Fisher who hoped to inherit Perot's banner here). Were Perot to run I see Hutchinson being squeezed out, as the Democrats would still rally around Krueger or whomever they opt to run, and Hutchinson isn't apt to pick up much support in the blanket primary among social conservatives who turned to Barton or Fields. With the second leg of the race being between Perot and a Democrat, I'm fairly certain Perot would pickup the Seat.

On your other points though you are quite correct.
 
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