Yay,dinosaurs!How will Jurassic Park be ITTL?Research in paleontology might be more advanced(feathered dinosaur discovered earlier with better relations with China?)
I also imagine that Nat Geo will be closely related to the SEU later.
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I also imagine that Nat Geo will be closely related to the SEU later.
I think the films will be as accurate as OTL, at least the original JP were more faithful. The recent Jurassic Park movie seems to not have catched up with science however.
The Jurassic Park movies can easily be considered critiques of capitalism - specifically the whole "competition drives innovation!" line peddled so often in its defense. After all, it's an act of corporate espionage and sabotage in the pursuit of company secrets which screws up the original park in movie 1. Movie 2 is critical of how animals are commodified, even when in ostensible zoos/nature preserves. Movie 3 takes a jab at adventure tourism, and movie 4's events wouldn't have happened if corporate higher-ups weren't so paranoid about lower profits in their demanding of the creation of Indominus rex. Plus the whole aspect of worker safety to consider, with the very first scene involving a Costa Rican laborer getting mauled up by a Raptor. As well as the treatment of Latin American/Caribbean countries as mere vacation destinations, rather than full-fledged societies.
Of course, Jurassic Park can still be made in a left-leaning America. If it does take place in Costa Rica, there might be more pressure on the writers/filmmakers to include some actual Costa Ricans in the cast and not just OTL's American/British characters. It's possible that the alt-Dennis Nedry is an agent of an FBU or Brazil-based corporation in their sabotage of the park. Or an agent from a rival Comintern country/collective enterprise during the period of post-WWII rivalry between the communist superpowers.
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Actually it's due to the little-known fact that Douglas MacArthur was raised by a clan of ninjas exiled from their home country and hidden in the Rocky Moutains. Him being raised in Japanese culture is actually why he was appointed governor of Japan during occupation. It's also why he had such a hard-on for nuking the Chinese and Koreans.
I've seen the term used pretty broadly (including Biblical films) and very narrowly (like it only referring to lower budget Italian productions like the Steve Reeves Hercules movies).
Maybe if there are less Biblical films produced in America ITTL there might be an earlier cycle of Sword and Sorcery films, with producers thinking that since they have done well with heroes like Hercules and Perseus that they could probably handle making movies about this Conan guy.
So we could still see instances of people arguing that media depictions violence cause real life violence ITTL.
I kind of imagine TTL's equivalent to Hammond as a Franco-British CEO specifically seeking the endorsements of American scientists for his park to expand its potential audience in Comintern nations, with the park itself located off the coast of (presumably) AFS aligned Belize rather than Costa Rica.
Had everyone else already gone?
Everyone else was too distracted by the flaming awfulness of the movie.
Well I do not know. For some reason it would not be located in Florida? And it is not an amusement park, a research center?
The problem with using Hammond's creations to research dinosaurs is that they're not the genuine article. You would be researching the "genetically engineered theme park monsters" (as Dr. Grant called them in the third movie) rather than the actual animals that lived millions of years ago. I recall reading somewhere that Crichton wrote about a theme park because he thought the most practical reason to genetically engineer dinosaurs would be for entertainment purposes.
Possible but i don't think it would be Jurassic Park we all know and love,becoming something of a horror flick instead IMO.
My idea that Hammond was a Cuba-American businessman that invites the American paleontologists(Grant and Sattler) who are also secretly SecPubSafe informants(IOTL there's a FBI agent in the book,IIRC).
The dubious idea. I do not see the point of discharge of paranoia. Story will be much more valuable if you will be given a position of scientist-researcher. On the one hand we face the greatest achievements of the human mind, on the other hand, it is fraught with considerable danger. A drag politics here - a bad idea.
There are some things on here about how a person from present-day OTL would preceive the Reds!-verse. But how would someone from the OTL 50's transported to the TTL 50's react? Someone from a time of severe anti-communism in the US, transported to a world where America had a communist revolution, but is still democratic, and is allied with the Soviet Union.
I agree Jurassic Park probably shouldn't be made more political. You probably don't even have to change that much about the novel to still fit it into TTL. I suggested the additional motive for Hammond to invite Grant and company to the island because it seems like it would naturally follow from his character flaws in OTL's novel, namely his greed (remember, there are significant differences between novel Hammond and movie Hammond). He might couch it in terms of wanting his park to be for everyone, regardless of what side in the Cold War they come from, but it would be revealed that the real reason is that it would mean more profit for InGen.
Another rewrite:
Mirage Men
Mirage Men is an American alternate history novel, published in 2005.
The story opens at WorldCon, 1975, and physicist and author James Hartsfield, author of Rendevouz at Tau Ceti (Tor Books, 1964) and Rock of Ages (Bantam Books, 1968), is there signing books. While taking a break to smoke, he meets John Yung, an aged Chinese physicist, whom Hartsfield recognizes as having been a prominent scientist in "Project Camelot". Yung is fidgety, and evasive towards Hartsfield questioning, only stating he was meeting with legendary science fiction author Julius Rosen, who is at the same con. Yung leaves, and Hartsfield returns to his post. He meets with teenager Ana Schlovsky, whom he had been corresponding with for several months, after she pointed out an error in one of his books, and he signs her copy of "Rock of Ages". The con is interrupted by the death of Yung, who was shot as he exited.
Hartsfield is taken in for questioning, and briefly meets Rosen after his release. The two had previously met at the 1969 WorldCon, where Rosen had praised Rock of Ages, and admitted disappointment it hadn't won the Verne prize that evening. While also evasive when Hartsfield tries to ask him about Yung, he warns that a potentially dangerous situation may be brewing, and he gives Hartsfield his address, as well as a series of numbers. Hartsfield, deciding to investigate further, finds reports from across the nation of Camelot scientists getting killed. He also learns of the disappearance of several prominent science fiction writers. Concerned about Rosen's safety, he heads to the address that Rosen had given him, only to find him dead from a self-inflicted gunshot. After looking at the paper, he realizes the series of numbers he was given was a safe combination. He finds a number of files relating to "Project Thunderchild". Heading back to his apartment, he learns from his flatmates that CSS agents have bugged his home, revealing they are aware of his investigations. He takes the file, and remembering Ana's address, heads to her house in Deleon-Debs, far from Metropolis. There, (after Ana sneaks him into her room), they look at the file. They find out that in 1949, a group of science fictions(some real personalities mentioned include Robert Heinlein, L. Sprague de Camp, Clifford Simak, and Poul Anderson) were gathered by several generals at Stavka, to discuss a secret theoreticalproject. As the reactionary People's Alliance came to power in the FBU, it was decided that perhaps unifying against a common threat, as it was duirng the Second World War, would help cement the world revolution, since the Labor/Parti d'Oviers had been in power after the war. The WFRA was studying common threats to use, one of which was an alien invasion. The science fiction authors were assisted by several scientists brought over from Camelot, to formulate how to fake an alien invasion. They conceived the idea of several rockets moving around the moon, each carrying a dead creature made from the corpses of several different animasl, and a nuclear bomb. The creature would crash land in the surround area, and a nuclear weapon would detonate in 10 major cities across the globe. The rocket would be destroyed, and the animal corpse would not be identified easily. The idea was meant to be entirely hypothetical (none of the team took it seriously), and the WFRA decided at the time that it was "too dangerous and potentiallly costs many innocent lives" to implement, ulitmately scrapping the idea of using a common threat in favor of traditional means of support for revolutionary groups. However, in 1973, a number of physicists and writers from the failed project, including John Yung was approached by a shadowy figure, who revealed he was now enacting the plan. The writers and scientists were understandably horrified, and tried to expose the program, but they were quickly assassinated. Yung tried to find Rosen, whom he hoped could reveal the project to the world.
Hartsfield leaves Ana's house to try to get the file to the Daily Worker, but is captured by CSS agents. He comes face to face with James Rosen himself, back from the dead. It turned out that it wasn't CSS agents who were pursuing him, but rather members of a secret society Rosen had assembled called "Ad Astra Per Aspera", who intend to enact the plan. Rosen explains his rationale. He has, for the past 30 years, observed the economic patterns of the AFS, and has also been observing political trends. He fears that several potential hotspots around the globe could give rise to a nuclear war, which could set back humanity centuries. While somewhat indifferent towards the revolutionary struggle, he remembered the alien study that he participated in, and realized that such a scenario could potentially prevent nuclear war. In the early 60's, he began to assemble resources. He retrieved some outdated missiles from the USSR and Germany, and hired genecists to create a composite creature. He plans to enact this scenario soon, but doesn't have the resources. During Rosen's monologue, Hartsfield broke his bounds, and attacks him. While the Ad Astra memebers hold him off, his attack was long enough that the real CSS arrives, (warned by Ana after Hartsfield left.) The Society is broken up, the files are permanantly destroyed, and Hartsfield is inspired to write a new novel based off his experiences.
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Based off two novels "Yellow Blue Tibia" by Adam Roberts, and "The Amazing, the Astounding, and the Unknown" by Paul Malmount
Mirage Men
Mirage Men is an American alternate history novel, published in 2005.
The story opens at WorldCon, 1975, and physicist and author James Hartsfield, author of Rendevouz at Tau Ceti (Tor Books, 1964) and Rock of Ages (Bantam Books, 1968), is there signing books. While taking a break to smoke, he meets John Yung, an aged Chinese physicist, whom Hartsfield recognizes as having been a prominent scientist in "Project Camelot". Yung is fidgety, and evasive towards Hartsfield questioning, only stating he was meeting with legendary science fiction author Julius Rosen, who is at the same con. Yung leaves, and Hartsfield returns to his post. He meets with teenager Ana Schlovsky, whom he had been corresponding with for several months, after she pointed out an error in one of his books, and he signs her copy of "Rock of Ages". The con is interrupted by the death of Yung, who was shot as he exited.
Hartsfield is taken in for questioning, and briefly meets Rosen after his release. The two had previously met at the 1969 WorldCon, where Rosen had praised Rock of Ages, and admitted disappointment it hadn't won the Verne prize that evening. While also evasive when Hartsfield tries to ask him about Yung, he warns that a potentially dangerous situation may be brewing, and he gives Hartsfield his address, as well as a series of numbers. Hartsfield, deciding to investigate further, finds reports from across the nation of Camelot scientists getting killed. He also learns of the disappearance of several prominent science fiction writers. Concerned about Rosen's safety, he heads to the address that Rosen had given him, only to find him dead from a self-inflicted gunshot. After looking at the paper, he realizes the series of numbers he was given was a safe combination. He finds a number of files relating to "Project Thunderchild". Heading back to his apartment, he learns from his flatmates that CSS agents have bugged his home, revealing they are aware of his investigations. He takes the file, and remembering Ana's address, heads to her house in Deleon-Debs, far from Metropolis. There, (after Ana sneaks him into her room), they look at the file. They find out that in 1949, a group of science fictions(some real personalities mentioned include Robert Heinlein, L. Sprague de Camp, Clifford Simak, and Poul Anderson) were gathered by several generals at Stavka, to discuss a secret theoreticalproject. As the reactionary People's Alliance came to power in the FBU, it was decided that perhaps unifying against a common threat, as it was duirng the Second World War, would help cement the world revolution, since the Labor/Parti d'Oviers had been in power after the war. The WFRA was studying common threats to use, one of which was an alien invasion. The science fiction authors were assisted by several scientists brought over from Camelot, to formulate how to fake an alien invasion. They conceived the idea of several rockets moving around the moon, each carrying a dead creature made from the corpses of several different animasl, and a nuclear bomb. The creature would crash land in the surround area, and a nuclear weapon would detonate in 10 major cities across the globe. The rocket would be destroyed, and the animal corpse would not be identified easily. The idea was meant to be entirely hypothetical (none of the team took it seriously), and the WFRA decided at the time that it was "too dangerous and potentiallly costs many innocent lives" to implement, ulitmately scrapping the idea of using a common threat in favor of traditional means of support for revolutionary groups. However, in 1973, a number of physicists and writers from the failed project, including John Yung was approached by a shadowy figure, who revealed he was now enacting the plan. The writers and scientists were understandably horrified, and tried to expose the program, but they were quickly assassinated. Yung tried to find Rosen, whom he hoped could reveal the project to the world.
Hartsfield leaves Ana's house to try to get the file to the Daily Worker, but is captured by CSS agents. He comes face to face with James Rosen himself, back from the dead. It turned out that it wasn't CSS agents who were pursuing him, but rather members of a secret society Rosen had assembled called "Ad Astra Per Aspera", who intend to enact the plan. Rosen explains his rationale. He has, for the past 30 years, observed the economic patterns of the AFS, and has also been observing political trends. He fears that several potential hotspots around the globe could give rise to a nuclear war, which could set back humanity centuries. While somewhat indifferent towards the revolutionary struggle, he remembered the alien study that he participated in, and realized that such a scenario could potentially prevent nuclear war. In the early 60's, he began to assemble resources. He retrieved some outdated missiles from the USSR and Germany, and hired genecists to create a composite creature. He plans to enact this scenario soon, but doesn't have the resources. During Rosen's monologue, Hartsfield broke his bounds, and attacks him. While the Ad Astra memebers hold him off, his attack was long enough that the real CSS arrives, (warned by Ana after Hartsfield left.) The Society is broken up, the files are permanantly destroyed, and Hartsfield is inspired to write a new novel based off his experiences.
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Based off two novels "Yellow Blue Tibia" by Adam Roberts, and "The Amazing, the Astounding, and the Unknown" by Paul Malmount
Okay, I've been writing some ideas for songs from the Revolution. Because a war's only as good as the songs the soldiers sing.
I've got a few set to some familiar tunes.
(to the tune of Marching Through Georgia...yes I stole this from "The Glasgow Billy Boys")
Hello, Hello!
We are ol’ Haywood’s boys!
Hello, Hello!
You’ll know us by our noise.
We’re up to our knees in fascist blood
Surrender or you’ll die!
We are Haywood’s ANC boys!
(to the tune of It's a Long Way to Tipperary)
Just like John Brown at Harper’s Ferry
We fight for human rights!
Just like John Brown at Harper’s Ferry
We’ll set this place a-light!
Goodbye, ol MacArthur!
Farewell, Confederacy!
Just like John Brown at Harper’s Ferry
We fight until we’re free!
(to the tune of "Tramp, Tramp, Tramp!", the old Civil War song. I based the lyrics off a later tune to the same melody from the Philippine-American War)
"Damn, damn, damn those filthy pinkos
They stole all my worker drones
They put out a sneak attack
Underneath red, gold, and black
And burned down my summer home!"
(in quotes because, in the song, it's sung by a rich reactionary whining about how his servants all joined the Red Army)
I've got a few set to some familiar tunes.
(to the tune of Marching Through Georgia...yes I stole this from "The Glasgow Billy Boys")
Hello, Hello!
We are ol’ Haywood’s boys!
Hello, Hello!
You’ll know us by our noise.
We’re up to our knees in fascist blood
Surrender or you’ll die!
We are Haywood’s ANC boys!
(to the tune of It's a Long Way to Tipperary)
Just like John Brown at Harper’s Ferry
We fight for human rights!
Just like John Brown at Harper’s Ferry
We’ll set this place a-light!
Goodbye, ol MacArthur!
Farewell, Confederacy!
Just like John Brown at Harper’s Ferry
We fight until we’re free!
(to the tune of "Tramp, Tramp, Tramp!", the old Civil War song. I based the lyrics off a later tune to the same melody from the Philippine-American War)
"Damn, damn, damn those filthy pinkos
They stole all my worker drones
They put out a sneak attack
Underneath red, gold, and black
And burned down my summer home!"
(in quotes because, in the song, it's sung by a rich reactionary whining about how his servants all joined the Red Army)
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John Brown's Body/Battle Hymn of the Republic would also be popular,i think.
It provided the tune for Solidarity Forever, the unofficial anthem for the union movement, which would probably be a thousand times more popular.