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[Mr. C]

I've been meaning to create an account...

So, anyways, hello there. Been lurking the Reds-verse for a long time.

I've been writing a sort of guide about the culture (and insanity) of White Rhodesia. Here's what I've written so far:

"BE A MAN AMONG MEN"
-Recruitment slogan for the Rhodesian army, commonly seen on ads in Professional Adventurers Magazine (a Franco-British magazine similar to OTL Solider of Fortune)

“Nation, I have an important announcement: As Rhodesians, we have been shining beacons of prosperity and liberty in the dark continent. We settled this savage territory, we stopped the violence among the tribes, and we have built this land into a free and moral society, the crown jewel of Her Majesty's Empire and the Alliance of Free States. But our allies, the Franco-British Union and the Republic of South Africa, have betrayed us. South Africa has abandoned her heritage in favor of life-denying degeneracy, cultural Stalinism, and the amoralism of Red America. The Franco-British Union, showing her true statist and globalist colours, did not intervene to save the Boers from this act of aggression

As a nation, Rhodesia cannot succumb to the spell of Communism and multiculturalism. The thalidomide drug of 'equality' destroyed the righteous nobility of Old Russia, the entrepreneurial spirit of the American republic, the God-fearing culture of Spain, the traditional way of life of China, and the noble warrior spirit of the Japanese people. Now, it claims its next victim: the hard-working Boer nation, and the lands and property which they kept for generations. And the monetary elite in London and Paris are willing to stand around and do nothing while a savage mob destroys the European heritage of South Africa

Therefore, to better protect our interests and our property against the Red menace, we are seceding from the Franco-British Union. Our heritage and our way of life must not be destroyed by the statist, Godless, life-denyng Red ideology"
- Gen. Benedict Wells, announcing the Unilateral Declaration of Independence of the Rhodesian Republic. November 9, 1978. The "savage mob" he was referring to was an exaggeration: the only "assault on European heritage" during the post-election celebrations in South Africa were drunk students defacing and/or destroying monuments to Cecil Rhodes

 

[tuxer]

I've been meaning to create an account...

So, anyways, hello there. Been lurking the Reds-verse for a long time.

I've been writing a sort of guide about the culture (and insanity) of White Rhodesia. Here's what I've written so far:

"BE A MAN AMONG MEN"
-Recruitment slogan for the Rhodesian army, commonly seen on ads in Professional Adventurers Magazine (a Franco-British magazine similar to OTL Solider of Fortune)

“Nation, I have an important announcement: As Rhodesians, we have been shining beacons of prosperity and liberty in the dark continent. We settled this savage territory, we stopped the violence among the tribes, and we have built this land into a free and moral society, the crown jewel of Her Majesty's Empire and the Alliance of Free States. But our allies, the Franco-British Union and the Republic of South Africa, have betrayed us. South Africa has abandoned her heritage in favor of life-denying degeneracy, cultural Stalinism, and the amoralism of Red America. The Franco-British Union, showing her true statist and globalist colours, did not intervene to save the Boers from this act of aggression

As a nation, Rhodesia cannot succumb to the spell of Communism and multiculturalism. The thalidomide drug of 'equality' destroyed the righteous nobility of Old Russia, the entrepreneurial spirit of the American republic, the God-fearing culture of Spain, the traditional way of life of China, and the noble warrior spirit of the Japanese people. Now, it claims its next victim: the hard-working Boer nation, and the lands and property which they kept for generations. And the monetary elite in London and Paris are willing to stand around and do nothing while a savage mob destroys the European heritage of South Africa

Therefore, to better protect our interests and our property against the Red menace, we are seceding from the Franco-British Union. Our heritage and our way of life must not be destroyed by the statist, Godless, life-denyng Red ideology"
- Gen. Benedict Wells, announcing the Unilateral Declaration of Independence of the Rhodesian Republic. November 9, 1978. The "savage mob" he was referring to was an exaggeration: the only "assault on European heritage" during the post-election celebrations in South Africa were drunk students defacing and/or destroying monuments to Cecil Rhodes

Nice, though I should tell you that is post-WWII content, which is "banned". People have spent too much time thinking about the Cold War that it displaced discussion on WWII. Considering that WWII has not yet ended and the Second Cultural Revolution has not happened yet, 1970s content is unnecessary. This thread is mostly about culture- comics, movies, books, tv shows, video games etc.

 

[Miss Teri]

Nice, though I should tell you that is post-WWII content, which is "banned". People have spent too much time thinking about the Cold War that it displaced discussion on WWII. Considering that WWII has not yet ended and the Second Cultural Revolution has not happened yet, 1970s content is unnecessary. This thread is mostly about culture- comics, movies, books, tv shows, video games etc.

Well, yeah, it is mostly culture, but political stuff is allowed (so long as it doesn't preempt anything), and there has been political stuff written (including by myself). Also, White Rhodesia has only, thus far, been discussed only on the fanfic thread, so I think discussion on that is allowed, so long as it doesn't infect the main thread.

 

[Aelita]

I've been meaning to create an account...

So, anyways, hello there. Been lurking the Reds-verse for a long time.

I've been writing a sort of guide about the culture (and insanity) of White Rhodesia. Here's what I've written so far:

"BE A MAN AMONG MEN"
-Recruitment slogan for the Rhodesian army, commonly seen on ads in Professional Adventurers Magazine (a Franco-British magazine similar to OTL Solider of Fortune)

“Nation, I have an important announcement: As Rhodesians, we have been shining beacons of prosperity and liberty in the dark continent. We settled this savage territory, we stopped the violence among the tribes, and we have built this land into a free and moral society, the crown jewel of Her Majesty's Empire and the Alliance of Free States. But our allies, the Franco-British Union and the Republic of South Africa, have betrayed us. South Africa has abandoned her heritage in favor of life-denying degeneracy, cultural Stalinism, and the amoralism of Red America. The Franco-British Union, showing her true statist and globalist colours, did not intervene to save the Boers from this act of aggression

As a nation, Rhodesia cannot succumb to the spell of Communism and multiculturalism. The thalidomide drug of 'equality' destroyed the righteous nobility of Old Russia, the entrepreneurial spirit of the American republic, the God-fearing culture of Spain, the traditional way of life of China, and the noble warrior spirit of the Japanese people. Now, it claims its next victim: the hard-working Boer nation, and the lands and property which they kept for generations. And the monetary elite in London and Paris are willing to stand around and do nothing while a savage mob destroys the European heritage of South Africa

Therefore, to better protect our interests and our property against the Red menace, we are seceding from the Franco-British Union. Our heritage and our way of life must not be destroyed by the statist, Godless, life-denyng Red ideology"
- Gen. Benedict Wells, announcing the Unilateral Declaration of Independence of the Rhodesian Republic. November 9, 1978. The "savage mob" he was referring to was an exaggeration: the only "assault on European heritage" during the post-election celebrations in South Africa were drunk students defacing and/or destroying monuments to Cecil Rhodes

I like it. The details might be fudged, but I like general concept.

 

[Mr. C]

Nice, though I should tell you that is post-WWII content, which is "banned". People have spent too much time thinking about the Cold War that it displaced discussion on WWII. Considering that WWII has not yet ended and the Second Cultural Revolution has not happened yet, 1970s content is unnecessary. This thread is mostly about culture- comics, movies, books, tv shows, video games etc.

Sorry about that.

As for culture (and pop culture!), here's a few ideas:

• I'd imagine Samuel Fuller would be a much more well-known director. His gritty, journalism-inspired films would fit right in with the filmscape of the UASR. Just imagine what kind of movie he'd make about the Second Civil War. Actually, even better, imagine what he'd do during the Revolution, then imagine what kind of movie he'd make about that. (He was a crime reporter in his teens, and while serving in Europe, was one of the first people to get footage from the inside of a concentration camp. I think TTL Fuller can squeeze in at least one more major historical event into his schedule)
• I had a few ideas for post-war Japanese movies. One was a biopic of the anarchist Jun Tsuji (google him!) directed by Ozu, the other was a film about a group of factory workers fighting a right-wing militia directed by Kurosawa
• Speaking of Japan, would Godzilla exist ITTL?
• More stuff from Hyperion. The pre-revision thread mentioned that they did Conan, but what about something like At the Mountains of Madness? For something more family-friendly, how about The Little Prince?
• I got an idea for an American TV version of Sherlock Holmes, with a more gritty interpretation focusing on Victorian classism and elitism. A fan-favorite episode would be "Holmes and Watson Meet Marx and Engels (Y'know, the Soviet Holmes is excellent, but they really missed a great opportunity by not having somebody cameo as Karl Marx)

Also

I like it. The details might be fudged, but I like general concept.

Only my first post and senpai has noticed me. I am off to a great start.

 

[Miss Teri]

• More stuff from Hyperion. The pre-revision thread mentioned that they did Conan, but what about something like At the Mountains of Madness? For something more family-friendly, how about The Little Prince?

I thought about mentioning it in the last update, but I suspect that Hyperion, like OTL Disney, makes the transition towards live action films in the 50's. Also, that At the Mountains of Madness would take the general place of The Thing in American film history (black and white film in the 50's, John Carpenter remake in the 80's, perhaps crappy prequel in early 2010's). Merging those two ideas, I think At the Mountains of Madness could serve as TTL's 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea.

 

[WotanArgead]

Sorry about that.

As for culture (and pop culture!), here's a few ideas:

• I'd imagine Samuel Fuller would be a much more well-known director. His gritty, journalism-inspired films would fit right in with the filmscape of the UASR. Just imagine what kind of movie he'd make about the Second Civil War. Actually, even better, imagine what he'd do during the Revolution, then imagine what kind of movie he'd make about that. (He was a crime reporter in his teens, and while serving in Europe, was one of the first people to get footage from the inside of a concentration camp. I think TTL Fuller can squeeze in at least one more major historical event into his schedule)
• I had a few ideas for post-war Japanese movies. One was a biopic of the anarchist Jun Tsuji (google him!) directed by Ozu, the other was a film about a group of factory workers fighting a right-wing militia directed by Kurosawa
• Speaking of Japan, would Godzilla exist ITTL?
• More stuff from Hyperion. The pre-revision thread mentioned that they did Conan, but what about something like At the Mountains of Madness? For something more family-friendly, how about The Little Prince?
• I got an idea for an American TV version of Sherlock Holmes, with a more gritty interpretation focusing on Victorian classism and elitism. A fan-favorite episode would be "Holmes and Watson Meet Marx and Engels (Y'know, the Soviet Holmes is excellent, but they really missed a great opportunity by not having somebody cameo as Karl Marx)

1)Are you sure? If he made films on taboo topics in the United States, it may be removed and under socialism.
2)I hope that the Kaidan and Ringu still withdraw.
3)And Godzilla can collect cash as the main message is associated with environmental themes, plus a giant monsters is fun!
4)Not sure what Marx in Sherlock good idea. Any enthusiasm passes, and people annoying constant propaganda. By the same characters that have nothing to divide, Watson typical Englishman and a little conservative (in fact the same in the American series, it is not put in the best light), Sherlock always had a slight misanthropy, by the same he is not interested in politics. On the other hand if the Americans want to make a film about Karl Marx, it can slip out there, or even can be mentioned. In any case it is better to make a film about Marx than to push it into a film about Sherlock.

 

[WotanArgead]

I thought about mentioning it in the last update, but I suspect that Hyperion, like OTL Disney, makes the transition towards live action films in the 50's. Also, that At the Mountains of Madness would take the general place of The Thing in American film history (black and white film in the 50's, John Carpenter remake in the 80's, perhaps crappy prequel in early 2010's). Merging those two ideas, I think At the Mountains of Madness could serve as TTL's 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea.

Finally, a good film will be removed by Lovecraft !!!

By the way, I have a question - whether popular Italian actress (they loved in the USSR). And what is the fate of the Kama Sutra and Indian culture in the world (on the one hand India is a stronghold of the British Raj, and interest in yoga and Hinduism can be a problem (here I am very worried about Efremov, in his books a lot of talk about the Indian culture, and various spiritual practices (from the standpoint of the materialist)), on the other hand young people can get carried away by the different sexual practices?

 

[Miss Teri]

From AH.com Discussion Thread "Mr. Smith Goes to Moscow"

When I was going through some public access film archives, I came across this old Jimmy Stewart film "Mr. Smith Goes to Moscow". It predates the expulsion of the Soviet Union from Comintern following the Non-Aggression Pact with the fascists. It revolves around Stewart's character, a diplomatic envoy with the Soviet ambassador (can't remember his name, but he was a real person), finding a plot by a group of German inspired fifth columnists, who intend to subvert overthrow the Soviet government. While at first his concerns are dismissed, after an impassioned plea to "safeguard the revolution", Stalin mobilizes a group to capture these rebels, and try them in the Tribunal.
Yeah, very awkward viewing today. Stewart regretted making the film, stating that the crimes of Stalinism weren't known to him at the time, and of course, with the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact the next year, it was disowned by the government. Still, it has become a cult classic among neo-Stalinists in both this country and the UASR. Anywhere, anyone else who has seen it, what are your thoughts on it.

Based on Mission to Moscow, and Mr. Smith Goes to Washington

 

[Mr. C]

1)Are you sure? If he made films on taboo topics in the United States, it may be removed and under socialism.
2)I hope that the Kaidan and Ringu still withdraw.
3)And Godzilla can collect cash as the main message is associated with environmental themes, plus a giant monsters is fun!
4)Not sure what Marx in Sherlock good idea. Any enthusiasm passes, and people annoying constant propaganda. By the same characters that have nothing to divide, Watson typical Englishman and a little conservative (in fact the same in the American series, it is not put in the best light), Sherlock always had a slight misanthropy, by the same he is not interested in politics. On the other hand if the Americans want to make a film about Karl Marx, it can slip out there, or even can be mentioned. In any case it is better to make a film about Marx than to push it into a film about Sherlock.

Well, the UASR seems to have a less...censorious attitude than OTL. That's why I thought that Fuller would be better appreciated among general audiences. At the very least, he'd be big with the hippies (are they still called hippies ITTL)

Hmm, now that you think about it, making a stand-alone Marx biopic would be a better idea. Marx would be better as a cameo in the Sherlock series. Holmes kind of works best as an apolitical figure.

And socialism or capitalism, giant monsters are fun. End of story.

Merging those two ideas, I think At the Mountains of Madness could serve as TTL's 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea.

Which also means that the submarine ride at Disney World is going to be a thousand times scarier ITTL.

 

[WotanArgead]

Well, the UASR seems to have a less...censorious attitude than OTL.

So for the fascination of Indian culture too, nothing serious will not?

 

[WotanArgead]

Well, the UASR seems to have a less...censorious attitude than OTL. That's why I thought that Fuller would be better appreciated among general audiences. At the very least, he'd be big with the hippies (are they still called hippies ITTL)

Hmm, now that you think about it, making a stand-alone Marx biopic would be a better idea. Marx would be better as a cameo in the Sherlock series. Holmes kind of works best as an apolitical figure.

I think I got the idea of how it could look like, (warning - the American version, I did not look, and behavior based on the Soviet version (one of those moments when the country can really be proud of)).

"Dr. Watson has just returned from a walk, he shook hands with Mrs. Hudson and headed to the office of Sherlock Holmes. When he entered he saw that he was talking to some man. Looking closer, John saw that it was a man of about 60 with long curly volosomi, and a large beard. it looked, he was obviously saddened and lost.
- I'm sorry Carl, I need to work.
- I'll come Holmes when everything is ready. - Said the unknown. - Good afternoon.
The man came out and asked Watson - Holmes, who was it?
- Old friend. His name is Karl Marx.
To say that Watson was surprised, then that does not say. His eyes expressed confusion and his mouth was wide open.
- I did not know that you are a radical Holmes!
- My God, my dear Watson! You know that I do not do such stupid things. And Marx is likely, too, he is a philosopher.
- You have not heard of the Internationale?
- If you heard that it is not necessary.
- And why did he come to you?
- His wife had died, she was with him, and we met. Good that you came Watson, and then, he began to ask me for money."

By the way I care about some questions about life - modern Americans (not only Americans) every year changing the iPhone, and buy a bunch of unnecessary things. Will the citizens life USAR... more rational? And the second question - what about physical training and a healthy diet?

 

[Time slip]

From AH.com Discussion Thread "Mr. Smith Goes to Moscow"



Based on Mission to Moscow, and Mr. Smith Goes to Washington

I have to wonder what happens with Frank Capra ITTL, given his OTL politics.

 

[tuxer]

I have to wonder what happens with Frank Capra ITTL, given his OTL politics.

He probably fled to Cuba along with all others who could afford to do so.

 

[Time slip]

He probably fled to Cuba along with all others who could afford to do so.

If he does, I can see him becoming a major director in whatever film industry emerges in MacArthur's Cuba. That said, I think the term Capraesque, if exists at all ITTL, would end up meaning something different. His most well known movies in the 30s were collaborations with screenwriters like Robert Riskin (a New Deal Democrat) and Sidney Buchman (who was later blacklisted in the 50s). If he leaves for Cuba in 1933, he isn't making It Happened One Night or any of the movies he directed after that. What kind of films he would end up making is an interesting question.

 

[Mr. C]

I think I got the idea of how it could look like, (warning - the American version, I did not look, and behavior based on the Soviet version (one of those moments when the country can really be proud of)).

"Dr. Watson has just returned from a walk, he shook hands with Mrs. Hudson and headed to the office of Sherlock Holmes. When he entered he saw that he was talking to some man. Looking closer, John saw that it was a man of about 60 with long curly volosomi, and a large beard. it looked, he was obviously saddened and lost.
- I'm sorry Carl, I need to work.
- I'll come Holmes when everything is ready. - Said the unknown. - Good afternoon.
The man came out and asked Watson - Holmes, who was it?
- Old friend. His name is Karl Marx.
To say that Watson was surprised, then that does not say. His eyes expressed confusion and his mouth was wide open.
- I did not know that you are a radical Holmes!
- My God, my dear Watson! You know that I do not do such stupid things. And Marx is likely, too, he is a philosopher.
- You have not heard of the Internationale?
- If you heard that it is not necessary.
- And why did he come to you?
- His wife had died, she was with him, and we met. Good that you came Watson, and then, he began to ask me for money."

By the way I care about some questions about life - modern Americans (not only Americans) every year changing the iPhone, and buy a bunch of unnecessary things. Will the citizens life USAR... more rational? And the second question - what about physical training and a healthy diet?

Sounds pretty good! It's exactly what I'd imagine it to be.
(And the Russian Sherlock Holmes really was great! I liked the blend of cultural influences it had. Fun fact: Vasily Livanov and Benedict Cumberbatch were both born on July 19th)

Well, I think someone said earlier that, while there is more of an emphasis on fitness and health ITTL, the factory cafeterias tend to reflect local tastes. So, the South probably is still fat, like OTL.

And I doubt that the buying habits of modern Americans would carry over into the UASR. I mean, I'd imagine that American consumerism would be very different IOTL.

More about pop culture: I had this idea for two competing miniseries about the Revolutionary War (they'd probably call it something else). The first would be from PBS in the UASR, and would be a nuanced portrayal of the War of Independence, with a focus on ordinary people that usually get left out in portrayals of the Revolutionary War IOTL. Somewhat like a cross between Dr. Zhivago and the Chinese miniseries Towards the Republic (about the fall of the Qing Dynasty and the founding of the Republic of China). I got the idea from (of all things) an anon in a /leftypol/ thread, who said "the American Revolution wasn't good or bad, it was dialectical materialism".

The second would be from Cuba, and would focus more on the founding fathers and the first years of the old republic. Slightly more similar to OTL portrayals, except there'd probably be a few scenes to appease viewers in the FBU (like someone cameoing as Edmund Burke, or scenes of the colonists declaring their rights as British subjects, or a bigger role for the Marquis de Lafayette.)

 

[WotanArgead]

Sounds pretty good! It's exactly what I'd imagine it to be.
(And the Russian Sherlock Holmes really was great! I liked the blend of cultural influences it had. Fun fact: Vasily Livanov and Benedict Cumberbatch were both born on July 19th)

Well, I think someone said earlier that, while there is more of an emphasis on fitness and health ITTL, the factory cafeterias tend to reflect local tastes. So, the South probably is still fat, like OTL.

And I doubt that the buying habits of modern Americans would carry over into the UASR. I mean, I'd imagine that American consumerism would be very different IOTL.

More about pop culture: I had this idea for two competing miniseries about the Revolutionary War (they'd probably call it something else). The first would be from PBS in the UASR, and would be a nuanced portrayal of the War of Independence, with a focus on ordinary people that usually get left out in portrayals of the Revolutionary War IOTL. Somewhat like a cross between Dr. Zhivago and the Chinese miniseries Towards the Republic (about the fall of the Qing Dynasty and the founding of the Republic of China). I got the idea from (of all things) an anon in a /leftypol/ thread, who said "the American Revolution wasn't good or bad, it was dialectical materialism".

The second would be from Cuba, and would focus more on the founding fathers and the first years of the old republic. Slightly more similar to OTL portrayals, except there'd probably be a few scenes to appease viewers in the FBU (like someone cameoing as Edmund Burke, or scenes of the colonists declaring their rights as British subjects, or a bigger role for the Marquis de Lafayette.)

I think the most likely war is called the First American Revolution (in fact - insurgent were ethnic Britons and Indians fought on the side of the Crown (they were promised privileges and protection for the settlers).

And what do you think - will the American popular Soviet science fiction.

 

[WotanArgead]

Sounds pretty good! It's exactly what I'd imagine it to be.
(And the Russian Sherlock Holmes really was great! I liked the blend of cultural influences it had. Fun fact: Vasily Livanov and Benedict Cumberbatch were both born on July 19th)

Well, I think someone said earlier that, while there is more of an emphasis on fitness and health ITTL, the factory cafeterias tend to reflect local tastes. So, the South probably is still fat, like OTL.

And I doubt that the buying habits of modern Americans would carry over into the UASR. I mean, I'd imagine that American consumerism would be very different IOTL.

More about pop culture: I had this idea for two competing miniseries about the Revolutionary War (they'd probably call it something else). The first would be from PBS in the UASR, and would be a nuanced portrayal of the War of Independence, with a focus on ordinary people that usually get left out in portrayals of the Revolutionary War IOTL. Somewhat like a cross between Dr. Zhivago and the Chinese miniseries Towards the Republic (about the fall of the Qing Dynasty and the founding of the Republic of China). I got the idea from (of all things) an anon in a /leftypol/ thread, who said "the American Revolution wasn't good or bad, it was dialectical materialism".

The second would be from Cuba, and would focus more on the founding fathers and the first years of the old republic. Slightly more similar to OTL portrayals, except there'd probably be a few scenes to appease viewers in the FBU (like someone cameoing as Edmund Burke, or scenes of the colonists declaring their rights as British subjects, or a bigger role for the Marquis de Lafayette.)

I think the most likely war is called the First American Revolution (in fact - rebels were ethnic English and Indians fought on the side of the Crown (they were promised privileges and protection for the settlers).

And what do you think - will the American popular Soviet science fiction?

 

[WotanArgead]

What will happen to Elon Musk? Will he able to realize themselves?

 

[Mr. C]

I think the most likely war is called the First American Revolution (in fact - rebels were ethnic English and Indians fought on the side of the Crown (they were promised privileges and protection for the settlers).

And what do you think - will the American popular Soviet science fiction?

Soviet sci-fi would do just fine in America.

What will happen to Elon Musk? Will he able to realize themselves?

At the very least, he'd be less pretentious.

I was thinking he'd work for NASA ITTL.