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I won't say too much but 1979 very nearly (in-universe; not referring to the the out of universe writing process) was going to be capstoned with a bomber nuking the Quebecois revolutionaries in Montreal to decapitate the separatists and terrify everyone not reduced to radioactive stains on the ground into submission. The bomber was recalled terrifyingly close to the doomsday clock striking midnight.
 
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Alarming? That policy is Scorched Earth times 1000!

I'm surprised that the FBU wouldn't lose the Cold War for even considering such a depraved policy if that is what they would do to a restive satellite.
It makes a certain degree of sense and isn't out of the realm of many strains of cold war thought.

In industrialised countries communist revolutionaries concentrate themselves in metropolitan areas. If you nuke them you kill the party leadership in a single stroke and hopefully terrify the now leaderless remnants into submission.

There are two meanings to the "nuclear weaponry is the ultimate instrument of counter-revolution" expression. One is that they prevent conventional invasion and occupation to install revolutionary governments that way. The other is that they can end an attempted revolution in one fell swoop if you are willing to use them and cross the event horizon.
 
It makes a certain degree of sense and isn't out of the realm of many strains of cold war thought.

In industrialised countries communist revolutionaries concentrate themselves in metropolitan areas. If you nuke them you kill the party leadership in a single stroke and everyone else is too terrified of you to do anything else.

Yes, but if you obliterated Montreal, someone with family there might be more than a little unhappy about their demise.
 
Yes, but if you obliterated Montreal, someone with family there might be more than a little unhappy about their demise.
Leadership is a resource that can be tricky to replace and how dependent revolution is on that resource is a rather thorny question. These kinds of targeteers would like to wager on the side that it is indeed an essential resource.
 
I won't say too much but 1979 very nearly (in-universe; not referring to the the out of universe writing process) was going to be capstoned with a bomber nuking the Quebecois revolutionaries in Montreal to decapitate the separatists and terrify everyone not reduced to radioactive stains on the ground into submission. The bomber was recalled terrifyingly close to the doomsday clock striking midnight.
Well that certainly would destroy any sort of nostalgia for pre communist Canada with the FBU being willing to go so far.

Makes one wonder how it seems there is still a great amount of ITTL support in the FBU for the FBU and capitalism amongst the common people when their government is obviously the more trigger happy and sociopathic one. I mean holy shit, they're willing to nuke their own cities to make a point. No matter how you try to spin it that makes you look a lot worse than the other guy.

I mean yes, they didn't pull the trigger but the fact that they almost did should be more than damning enough of the government of the FBU and it's interests.
 
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We've been down this road before, but the TL is really putting the "Nazi" in "One-Nation Tory".

Especially when the FBU would have an incredibly strong counter-insurgency element to crush any revolutionary movements, and they've dealt with situations like the Quebec Crisis, it's this little thing called "The Troubles" and the "Malay Insurgency".

The FBU is sounding more like a Junta every year.
 
Well that certainly would destroy any sort of nostalgia for pre communist Canada with the FBU being willing to go so far.

Well, ITTL they didn't. So there could still be nostalgia, as the social attitudes of the UASR would make a lot of Canadian people, with or without the British present, squirm.



Makes one wonder how it seems there is still a great amount of ITTL support in the FBU for the FBU and capitalism amongst the common people when they're government is obviously the more trigger happy and sociopathic one. I mean holy shit, they're willing to nuke their own cities to make a point. No matter how you try to spin it that makes you look a lot worse than the other guy.

Capitalism has been backed into a corner into the ITTL 20th century, as three major powers, half of Europe, and half of South America have gone Red. They refuse to go quietly.
 
I totally could see the capitalists if they were driven that deep into the corner being willing to do that. I'm just a little surprised that despite considering that kind of action, which was likely well known, their is still a great amount of pro-capitalist and pro-FBU sentiment we see in the FBU, like how one of the ITTL poster's brother thought that revealing that Petain was a willing accomplice of genocide was a "communist" conspiracy. Though I people have proven to be prone to mental gymnastics to justify such actions. Though it just further solidifies my theory that ITTL gaming/nerd culture in the FBU will have a massive reactionary subset in it that will be absolute shit. With the conservative subset being not all that much better.

I mean, it might just be nostalgia for Canada, not necessarily its relationship to the FBU.

I could actually somewhat see that. After all such changes, especially if you weren't pushing it would be jarring. But yeah, I'm pretty sure even moderate anti-communists in Canada do not have fond memories of the FBU when they almost nuked Montreal.
 
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Perhaps that incident of nearly nuking Montreal will remain a secret to the broader public until after the Cold War, much like OTL’s Soviet nuclear false alarm in 1983.
 
Perhaps that incident of nearly nuking Montreal will remain a secret to the broader public until after the Cold War, much like OTL’s Soviet nuclear false alarm in 1983.

If such a secret came out, it would lead to a shit ton of bedlam in the remaining satellites of the FBU.

I totally could see the capitalists if they were driven that deep into the corner being willing to do that. I'm just a little surprised that despite considering that kind of action, which was likely well known, their is still a great amount of pro-capitalist and pro-FBU sentiment we see in the FBU, like how one of the ITTL poster's brother thought that revealing that Petain was a willing accomplice of genocide was a "communist" conspiracy. Though I people have proven to be prone to mental gymnastics to justify such actions. Though it just further solidifies my theory that ITTL gaming culture in the FBU will have a massive reactionary subset in it that will be absolute shit. With the conservative subset being not all that much better.

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As I've theorized, the reason why the ITTL AH.com tolerates trolls is that the threat to the reactionaries is higher, thus the rate of trolling is much, much worse, because the established order is under a greater threat then ever.
 
Perhaps that incident of nearly nuking Montreal will remain a secret to the broader public until after the Cold War, much like OTL’s Soviet nuclear false alarm in 1983.
Except it sounds like that ITTL it was basically the point when the nuclear clock was about to reach midnight which means that it must had been known enough to be cataloged by the people who keep clock accurate and if that's the case then it must had been well known for almost happening. Or at least that's my reading of it when it was mentioned it almost reached midnight, as in IU the nuclear clock was basically midnight during that event until it was pulled at the last second and gave everyone the chance to breathe a sigh of relief that the FBU didn't do that.
 
Except it sounds like that ITTL it was basically the point when the nuclear clock was about to reach midnight which means that it must had been known enough to be cataloged by the people who keep clock accurate and if that's the case then it must had been well known for almost happening. Or at least that's my reading of it when it was mentioned it almost reached midnight, as in IU the nuclear clock was basically midnight during that event until it was pulled at the last second and gave everyone the chance to breathe a sigh of relief that the FBU didn't do that.

However, I can imagine the doomsday clock stayed at 11:59 throughout the 1980s, as the FBU was determined not to let another client state fall to the Reds.
 
We've been down this road before, but the TL is really putting the "Nazi" in "One-Nation Tory".

Especially when the FBU would have an incredibly strong counter-insurgency element to crush any revolutionary movements, and they've dealt with situations like the Quebec Crisis, it's this little thing called "The Troubles" and the "Malay Insurgency".

The FBU is sounding more like a Junta every year.

On one hand,one is something that happens on Britain's backyard,and another is an unpopular movement to begin which(the Malayan Communists are generally from the Chinese population)


But i have to echo this statement.

It seems something like an over-the-top cartoon villain would do,instead of what an actual high command would.I mean,contingency plans,but i highly doubt it could even got a greenlight till an armed bomber.

I mean,we're all speculating too far("we'll cross the bridge when we cross it") and the Comintern would have their share of "oh god what have we done",but shoehorning the capitalist bloc on the lower moral ground seems dissapointing. The concept of well-meaning and successful radical leftists versus a liberal democracy somewhat familiar to ours is more interesting than seemingly making all in the blue bloc future-Nazis-in waiting.


Sorry if i sounded harsh,i greatly enjoy this timeline and think that it can be far more interesting than this.
 
On one hand,one is something that happens on Britain's backyard,and another is an unpopular movement to begin which(the Malayan Communists are generally from the Chinese population)


But i have to echo this statement.

It seems something like an over-the-top cartoon villain would do,instead of what an actual high command would.I mean,contingency plans,but i highly doubt it could even got a greenlight till an armed bomber.

I mean,we're all speculating too far("we'll cross the bridge when we cross it") and the Comintern would have their share of "oh god what have we done",but shoehorning the capitalist bloc on the lower moral ground seems dissapointing. The concept of well-meaning and successful radical leftists versus a liberal democracy somewhat familiar to ours is more interesting than seemingly making all in the blue bloc future-Nazis-in waiting.


Sorry if i sounded harsh,i greatly enjoy this timeline and think that it can be far more interesting than this.

Absolutely this. As a fan of the TL, the FBU being a relatively stable and well meaning if ultimately backwards liberal democracy vs a radsoc democratic America is far more interesting than the FBU turning into a junta (and lets be honest you guys, your writing is good but some of your future reveals are incredibly blatant that the FBU is a heavy handed shit-fest, with the Montreal bomb being the worst offender) which will make the story far less interesting.

I remember the early years of the TL had the UASR and friends as ultimately the right side of history, but they were still a heavily flawed state, and the FBU, while ultimately wrong in its goals, was still a functioning state that ultimately meant well for their homes, families, and their homelands.

As the hears have progressed the writing, both in the fanfic and the main threads, seem to suggest that the UASR is the utopian, "do-no-wrong", golden boy of the story, while Britain and France are slowly turning into a Rosbif and Brie version of it can't happen here.

The AH.threads especially seem to indicate this, where it is almost always badass intelligent communists BTFOing ignorant liberal democrats or educating naive European Fellow travelers.

The whole thing is starting to stink of a take-that against right wing culture, which is understandable, but often gets in the way of the writing.

I will still be an avid reader of the story, but I knew something stank when the British Labour Party's political history was seemingly thrown to the wind shamelessly to help build a broad Left-Wing opposition front to the Tory Party.
 
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