im not saying it is not,Im just saying that if the UASR was plopped in the indian ocean or somewhere like that,they would find the whole world completely wierd and to some extents evil
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Well for one thing clogging up the indian ocean with a north america sized landmass would probably cause an instant mass extinction by destroying the Indian ocean currents and likely ends most of life on earth as we know it
.You nitpickWell for one thing clogging up the indian ocean with a north america sized landmass would probably cause an instant mass extinction by destroying the Indian ocean currents and likely ends most of life on earth as we know it
Bookmark1995
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But also, after years and years indoctrination and prosperity, the vast majority of people in America, not knowing a life before socialism and seeing it as normal, more or less stick to their current system out of a fear of the unknown and an orthodoxy that declares "capitalism bad".
If you were to, like, stand in the streets promoting "da free market", you're likely to be confronted by a bunch of people who will wonder why you want to challenge the thing that has made America great. Or you would be confronted by say a bunch of people who see the communist system as their protector, like a Cuban refugee or a military veteran.
But I think the government would treat you, more or less, like they do an OTL conspiracy theorists: as a malcontent who is ultimately harmless, but could potentially assault someone.
Unlike the ITTL 1930s, where there were still those monsters who still wanted to bring back MacArthur, the ITTL 2018, most people will defend their country and its institutions and say "why fix what isn't broken".
I remember, I asked if government censor boards influence media during the post-war era, pushing for the insertion of socialist values. The answer I got was, yes at first, but eventually they stop because people will insert those themes on their own.
And when it comes to legitimate criticism of the UASR, my answer is this: OTL we are taught that America is a land of opportunity, but it is certainly not perfect. There are issues like police and judicial corruption, inequality, racism, etc. But the people who fight these problems are still people who believe in America and its core values, and don't want the system torn completely.
Someone from the UASR may object to certain things, like excessive community participation, but they will believe the core values of the UASR.
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This would be the most "conservite" objections you could have towards the UASR and still be taken seriously:We need to reform our economy to bring back some free spirit, i'm not saying bring back Captilism im just saying less power to goverment and more to the indivual person and union.State Atheism needs to end,we need a nation where the preacher and priest is not afraid to speak his mind and the public servant is allowed to follow his convictions. And finally the Committee needs to be either massivly decreased in power or outright abolished.
I think that a UASR citizen would likely respond that conservatism is a thing of the past and for good reason, that 'economic reform' and 'free spirit' are dog whistles for the return of oligarchy and capitalism, that the government is a direct and participatory democracy and as decentralized as it's going to get within reason, that there isn't state atheism given the religious communities in the UASR, and that the Committee being abolished would leave an opening for counterrevolutionaries and criminals. I don't necessarily agree with all of this, but you wouldn't make any headway.
Bookmark1995
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Even the people who make those accusations are still likely to be loyal to the UASR.
yeah they are loyal to the UASR,and heck they may even be hawks when it comes to the FBU. Im just pointing out that is how conservitve you could probably be without being considered a complete nutjob.
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Either the Democratic-Republicans or the DFLP seems to fit your views,probably.
It seems there are some misunderstandings about what policies actually entail.
State Atheism isn't the banning of religion so much as it is removing religion from the sphere of government and the end of the government offering religious exemptions to laws. The American left generally has come to the conclusion that it is better to simply let people keep their faith in their private lives and let religion wither away naturally than to try and crush it a la the French revolutionaries.
The economy essentially has three sectors, the co-operative sector which is run by worker owned enterprises and works under market principles, the paraecon sector which is run by democratic and generally localised planning, and the central planning sector which typically oversees things deemed crucial to the security of the state such as heavy industry and resource extraction. There's also an informal gift economy sector where people just get together and do a thing in their own free time; particularly common in entertainment. As the Comintern moves from the Dictatorship of the Proleteriat towards lower stage communism, the co-operative sector will shrink while the paraecon sector will grow; the other two as well, but not quite as much.
The economy generally runs on the principle of "work smarter, not harder", so work days are rather short and vacations generous in keeping with the advancement of productive technology. Contrast to now where despite the massive increases in productivity, people still put in largely the same number of hours they did decades ago for minimal if any added compensation.
State Atheism isn't the banning of religion so much as it is removing religion from the sphere of government and the end of the government offering religious exemptions to laws. The American left generally has come to the conclusion that it is better to simply let people keep their faith in their private lives and let religion wither away naturally than to try and crush it a la the French revolutionaries.
The economy essentially has three sectors, the co-operative sector which is run by worker owned enterprises and works under market principles, the paraecon sector which is run by democratic and generally localised planning, and the central planning sector which typically oversees things deemed crucial to the security of the state such as heavy industry and resource extraction. There's also an informal gift economy sector where people just get together and do a thing in their own free time; particularly common in entertainment. As the Comintern moves from the Dictatorship of the Proleteriat towards lower stage communism, the co-operative sector will shrink while the paraecon sector will grow; the other two as well, but not quite as much.
The economy generally runs on the principle of "work smarter, not harder", so work days are rather short and vacations generous in keeping with the advancement of productive technology. Contrast to now where despite the massive increases in productivity, people still put in largely the same number of hours they did decades ago for minimal if any added compensation.
Bookmark1995
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Not only that, but in some cases, wages have fallen and working hours are longer.
Wait, so is there exchange of currency on the market in the cooperative sector? Also, how would webcartooning work?
No thats what i meant about state atheism, I should probably rephrase the objection to: So the faithful man can truly live out his life the way he sees fit without goverment interference.
I wouldn't put stock into coops in 201X if you catch my drift.
I'm not really great at this inferencing thing sometimes, especially online, would you please explain in a bit more detail?
They would want to have religous exemptions to laws.
I'm having a hard time believing the the UASR is transitioning into communism as the state seems to be just as powerful as ever. Communization of workplaces would entail the state not having surplus labor to suck into the military and into foreign aid. There also remains the issue of trade with capitalist economies. Especially since India and much of Africa remain fully capitalist.