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Bulldoggus
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Partisan Alignment of FBU English Newspapers-
People's Alliance
The Daily Mirror/The Sunday Mirror- Social Democratic Party
The Guardian/The Observer- Radical Party
The Daily Express/The Sunday Express- Christian Democrats
The Daily Star- One Nation Party
The Times- The Conservatives
The Telegraph- The Tories
The Celtic Daily- United Nationalists
The Daily Sketch- The National Front
Labour
The Tribune- Bennites
The Sun/News of the World- Shoreites
Action!- Totalists
ECSI
The Morning Star-ECSI
People's Alliance
The Daily Mirror/The Sunday Mirror- Social Democratic Party
The Guardian/The Observer- Radical Party
The Daily Express/The Sunday Express- Christian Democrats
The Daily Star- One Nation Party
The Times- The Conservatives
The Telegraph- The Tories
The Celtic Daily- United Nationalists
The Daily Sketch- The National Front
Labour
The Tribune- Bennites
The Sun/News of the World- Shoreites
Action!- Totalists
ECSI
The Morning Star-ECSI
Bulldoggus
Banned
Note: The Sun was a populist Labour tabloid until Murdoch bought it in the mid-70's.
Bookmark1995
Banned
Quotes about the Cultural Leap.
"Yes, Marx said that religion is the opiate of the masses. However, sometimes we need to dull our minds to reality. Our American comrades have cannabis. Our opiate will be Christ.
-Editorial from a Kazan newspaper on the opening of an Orthodox Church, 1979
"If that's freedom, I'd rather be tortured by the fascists." [1]
-Elderly Moscow veteran after watching Rasputin: Master of Love, 1988
"How can communism triumph if our American comrades are more decadent than the capitalist."
-Leningrad housewife on polyamory.
"I'm glad that my art is no longer being judged and ripped apart by some old reactionary stooge."
Young filmmaker on the end of state-sponsored censorship, 1976
"Go to England, reactionary scum!"
-Crowd in Stalingrad protesting a book criticizing Stalin, 1985
"Lenin is our guide, by Kollontai is my god."
-Prostitute at the first legal brothel in Moscow, 1992.
"I don't care for blyad [2] movies, but that's the trade off for letting real culture flourish."
-Moscow Conductor, 1986
[1] Hyperbole
[2] Dirty Russian word that I don't want to write.
"Yes, Marx said that religion is the opiate of the masses. However, sometimes we need to dull our minds to reality. Our American comrades have cannabis. Our opiate will be Christ.
-Editorial from a Kazan newspaper on the opening of an Orthodox Church, 1979
"If that's freedom, I'd rather be tortured by the fascists." [1]
-Elderly Moscow veteran after watching Rasputin: Master of Love, 1988
"How can communism triumph if our American comrades are more decadent than the capitalist."
-Leningrad housewife on polyamory.
"I'm glad that my art is no longer being judged and ripped apart by some old reactionary stooge."
Young filmmaker on the end of state-sponsored censorship, 1976
"Go to England, reactionary scum!"
-Crowd in Stalingrad protesting a book criticizing Stalin, 1985
"Lenin is our guide, by Kollontai is my god."
-Prostitute at the first legal brothel in Moscow, 1992.
"I don't care for blyad [2] movies, but that's the trade off for letting real culture flourish."
-Moscow Conductor, 1986
[1] Hyperbole
[2] Dirty Russian word that I don't want to write.
Oh no .... After all, the speeches and articles of Kollontai repeatedly went on sale. Where did she get this!
I advise you to add the suffix and the ending (skiye)
Bulldoggus
Banned
This is very true, although we Yanks will have plenty of churches. Actually, given that there will be more travel between the UASR and Eastern Europe, I bet the Orthodox church would be vastly bigger here in OTL. Especially for would-be Catholics, as it can provide the incense and mystery and gilded stuff without the stigma that Catholicism has to it.
Alas, Tankieism would likely be common in the UASR/USSR, with Joey Steele a Martyr.
By the way - In the USSR, the role of a housewife wife was not approved. Seriously - in the movie there was always an emphasis on the fact that the girl somewhere is working, and still if a woman says that she is satisfied with the role of housewives, then they look at her as a fool.
Bulldoggus
Banned
Note- The Blue Corporal is a One Nation Party member.
I think some of both.
Not true at all. The thing is, some mid-sized economic restructuring (likely along the lines of the Rhine Model) was needed in the late 1970's to deal with the addition of high-tech industries to the economy and to keep Detroit competitive. This could have been done without too much pain, but for inflation caused by Vietnam and Nixon's rushing off the gold standard like a bull through the Bretton Woods china shop (I'm no Goldbug, but we moved off the gold standard far too quickly) in order to overheat the economy in the run up to the 1972 election. That left everyone devoted to the twilight struggle to curb inflation instead of fixing some manageable underlying causes. Austerity and Globalization were not the only ways out by any stretch.
Redshank Galloglass
Banned
Famous Quotes: Peter Shore
"You think that you are strong? You think you represent the voice of the people? You openly collaborate with the twin heads of the Bolshevik Hydra that threaten to end life as we know it to further the interests of their so called "revolution". Well I will have none of your petulant, treacherous drivel be spewed in the halls of my Party! The British and French people do not and will not suffer the foolish bravado of your Bolshevik perfidy, and your support of American military adventurism proves that you are no better than the Godless Barons of Industry that pull the strings of their cowardly Tory running dogs! I am the hammer of the Totalist, the Capitalist, The Liberal, and the Fascist, and now, you too will understand what happens to the foes of the Franco-British Working Class. You have made an enemy far worse than anything you could ever imagine, Godard. In the words of General Harris, you have sown the wind, and now you will reap the whirlwind."
-Peter Shore to Jean Luc Godard, 87th meeting of the Socialist International, May 1981
"Alone, we were powerful individuals. We held much clout amongst our non-aligned Marxian and Fabian peers. But together? Mon Deiu, we were unstoppable. Bolshevik, Liberal, and Conservative alike would tremble when we walked into Parliament."
-Jean Pierre Chevènement, Parti D'Ouvriers majority whip, reflecting upon his work with Peter Shore, September 2004
"Goddamn it Godard, we've been working on building a majority base within Labour for 20 whole fucking years. If you let this goddamn nationalist Shore ruin our chance at unifying the Entente's Left, it's your head on a plate."
-UASR Premier Gus Hall talking to ESCI General-Secretary Jean Luc-Godard via Telephone, October 1980
We shall enjoy a period of peace that we have not known since the Pax Britannica, if Shore and Chevènement succeed, my fellow Britons! In our splendid Red Isolation, we shall forge our own Destiny, apart from the wills of other nations! Britons, Frenchmen, let us unite! For Hope, Glory, and Syndicalism!"
-Labour Party Minority Whip Robert Kilroy-Silk, in a speech to the British public in Trafalgar Square, April 1983
"Alongside his companion Chevènement, Peter Shore was the only possible member of the Labour Party, besides wartime PM Clement Attlee, of whom Conservative, Liberal, Ultranationalist, and Communist alike had cause to walk in fear."
Patrick Cosgrave, September 16th, 2001, writing for the Independent in response to the death of Shore
I hope you all enjoyed this.
@Bulldoggus I figured Shore would team up with Chevènement due to their similar political views and to build up Labour Party/Parti D'Ouvriers support in France since the ESCI is confirmed to be far more popular in France than in Britain.
Also, who would be Shoreite politicians in the modern day FBU?
Also, a common Shoreite supporters chant is "The people's nukes are deepest Red, they'll make the Yankees Martyred dead, then raise the workers' bomb up high
beneath its cloud we'll gladly die
for though it sends us all to hell
it kills the ruling class as well."
They dont actually believe it (well, most) but they do it to fuck with ESCI supporters in typical British fashion. They have chants for Liberals, Conservatives, and Right Wing Nationalists (read: Far Right) too.
"You think that you are strong? You think you represent the voice of the people? You openly collaborate with the twin heads of the Bolshevik Hydra that threaten to end life as we know it to further the interests of their so called "revolution". Well I will have none of your petulant, treacherous drivel be spewed in the halls of my Party! The British and French people do not and will not suffer the foolish bravado of your Bolshevik perfidy, and your support of American military adventurism proves that you are no better than the Godless Barons of Industry that pull the strings of their cowardly Tory running dogs! I am the hammer of the Totalist, the Capitalist, The Liberal, and the Fascist, and now, you too will understand what happens to the foes of the Franco-British Working Class. You have made an enemy far worse than anything you could ever imagine, Godard. In the words of General Harris, you have sown the wind, and now you will reap the whirlwind."
-Peter Shore to Jean Luc Godard, 87th meeting of the Socialist International, May 1981
"Alone, we were powerful individuals. We held much clout amongst our non-aligned Marxian and Fabian peers. But together? Mon Deiu, we were unstoppable. Bolshevik, Liberal, and Conservative alike would tremble when we walked into Parliament."
-Jean Pierre Chevènement, Parti D'Ouvriers majority whip, reflecting upon his work with Peter Shore, September 2004
"Goddamn it Godard, we've been working on building a majority base within Labour for 20 whole fucking years. If you let this goddamn nationalist Shore ruin our chance at unifying the Entente's Left, it's your head on a plate."
-UASR Premier Gus Hall talking to ESCI General-Secretary Jean Luc-Godard via Telephone, October 1980
We shall enjoy a period of peace that we have not known since the Pax Britannica, if Shore and Chevènement succeed, my fellow Britons! In our splendid Red Isolation, we shall forge our own Destiny, apart from the wills of other nations! Britons, Frenchmen, let us unite! For Hope, Glory, and Syndicalism!"
-Labour Party Minority Whip Robert Kilroy-Silk, in a speech to the British public in Trafalgar Square, April 1983
"Alongside his companion Chevènement, Peter Shore was the only possible member of the Labour Party, besides wartime PM Clement Attlee, of whom Conservative, Liberal, Ultranationalist, and Communist alike had cause to walk in fear."
Patrick Cosgrave, September 16th, 2001, writing for the Independent in response to the death of Shore
I hope you all enjoyed this.
@Bulldoggus I figured Shore would team up with Chevènement due to their similar political views and to build up Labour Party/Parti D'Ouvriers support in France since the ESCI is confirmed to be far more popular in France than in Britain.
Also, who would be Shoreite politicians in the modern day FBU?
Also, a common Shoreite supporters chant is "The people's nukes are deepest Red, they'll make the Yankees Martyred dead, then raise the workers' bomb up high
beneath its cloud we'll gladly die
for though it sends us all to hell
it kills the ruling class as well."
They dont actually believe it (well, most) but they do it to fuck with ESCI supporters in typical British fashion. They have chants for Liberals, Conservatives, and Right Wing Nationalists (read: Far Right) too.
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Bulldoggus
Banned
@The Red Iron Chef
Beautiful. A few things I would mention though- Foot would probably be a Bennite, and in my mind palace, the better-organized Bennites knife Shore. But given Benn's unorthodox approach to Socialism and mild skepticism towards the Comintern, a wedge shall forever be in place between the ESCI and Labour. And that would be more a meme than a chant.
Beautiful. A few things I would mention though- Foot would probably be a Bennite, and in my mind palace, the better-organized Bennites knife Shore. But given Benn's unorthodox approach to Socialism and mild skepticism towards the Comintern, a wedge shall forever be in place between the ESCI and Labour. And that would be more a meme than a chant.
Bulldoggus
Banned
And another note, the OTL Liberals, Conservatives, and Rightists are all in the uneasy big tent of the PA.
Redshank Galloglass
Banned
@Bulldoggus fair enough. Who woyld be a good replacement for Benn? And who would modern Shoreite politicians be?
Also, I figured it would become a bit of an ascended meme since there's a lot of those in this TL.
Also the ESCI and Labour are described as allied, but I think an alliance of coveinience would be more realistic (chop the PA and the Capitalists first, then go at each others throats)
Also, I figured it would become a bit of an ascended meme since there's a lot of those in this TL.
Also the ESCI and Labour are described as allied, but I think an alliance of coveinience would be more realistic (chop the PA and the Capitalists first, then go at each others throats)
Bulldoggus
Banned
Alan Johnson, Lisa Nandy, Maurice Glasman, Kate Hoey, and Dennis Skinner would be a good start.
For Foot, you mean? Can't go wrong with Robert Kilroy-Silk (Eurosceptic Labourite who would go on to found UKIP).
Redshank Galloglass
Banned
Sounds grand, also, those Shoreite MPs are excellent (Especially Glasman, holy fuck, how in the WORLD did I forget mr Blue Labour
)
Special thanks to @Knightmare for an idea for this:
Vanguards: an overview
Given the view against police professionalization, radio and later television police shows tended to focus on either the Red Guards or the CSS. Shows like The Invincibles (about John Dillinger and his squad of agents during the 30's) or The Guard (about the Missouri Proletarian Guard and their crisis management) were mostly about larger forces dealing with large problems. These were reflective of most media centered on socialist law enforcement. Focused more on federal professionals, rather than state-wide professionals. Those that did primarily focused on volunteers and their duties. Often, volunteers were the ones who helped solve the crime or caught the villain. An episode about having to do a stint in the police militia was a common sitcom trope in the UASR.
Still, some shows about local or state police militia professionals were produced. Mayberry told the story of a small town sheriff in North Carolina (played by Andy Griffith) and his militia, though the show was more comedic and nostalgic in tone. Metropolis Police, a more serious drama, regularly saw detectives in the Metropolis Republic pursuing deadly crimes within the city borders. The first major drama that focused on professional police was Jack Webb's Dragnet. Starring Webb himself as "Sgt. Joe Friday" , the show primarily saw real stories and cases featured, but with the names changed. The show (first starting on radio in 1949, then for two tv runs in the 50's and late 60's) received support from the National Militia Agency and the Los Angeles Militia (who gave Webb access to its archives), and renowned for its accuracy in how police militias operate. However, the show was primarily a procedural, with Friday and other professionals focused solely on the job, cooperating with any higher authorities, and catching the bad guys.
The mystique, as it were, of professional policing slowly unveiled through the sixties and seventies, allowing more nuanced look at professional policing. Shows like District 5, The Beat, and Khakis (the latter referring to the color of most uniforms.)[1] began to show professional police and especially police detectives in the capacity of a regular job, dealing with various crimes and trying to ensure the peace. Most were procedurals in the vein of Dragnet, but had a focus on the individual characters, their personal lives, and their relationships with each other. Still, it focused on the crimes investigated (except when dealing with occasional corrupt public officials, such as an infamous arc on The Beat about a string of corrupt cops informing a local gang on police infiltration.)
Garrett Hanson was a reporter with the Chicago Star. Between 1974-1977, he was assigned to report major crimes in the city. His coverage was notably extensive, covering the procedures that the Chicago militia would go through to ensure a completely fair and accurate investigation. His coverage also saw him become close to many professionals in the militia. He would hear off-the-record stories of how some investigations stalled due to bureaucracy and backlog, others discarded due to lack of evidence. He also heard of bizarre or horrifying cases, such as a corrupt Section 2 agent who abused his customs position to procure and sell Cuban cigars, which unraveled when an Haitian buyer repackaged and resold them as "authentic Haitian cigarettes".
One major theme of his columns was bureaucratic interference. Not intentional, but investigations and stings would be hampered by backlogs and problems with neighborhoods. There were also issues with monitoring volunteers. One officer told of an incompetent volunteer who was completely unfit and incompetent, but able to finish his service because of his apparatchik mother. Another constantly asked for better equipment for the volunteers, only for the request to go unanswered for months, until .
Hanson took these stories and other anecdotes into a book, Vanguards: A Look into the Chicago Militia (with names changed) in 1979. The relative success of the book got the attention of PBS-7, then in need of dramatic programming. Impressed by the realism, they decided to adapt the series as a television program. Feeling that no showrunner could possibly capture what he had seen, he became the main creator and writer on the adaptation.
Vanguards debuted in 1981, and ran until 1988. It mostly adapted the stories from the book from season 1-4, acted with a large cast of characters based on the militiamen interviewed in one signal station. The stories centered on the lives of these average militiamen and the true grind of their lives. Helping volunteers,responding to imminent threats, and investigating crimes. The main focus of the show was primarily the job of being a professional cop.
The characters dealt with various personal problems, which affected their ability to do their jobs. Sometimes, personal investment in the cases cause conflict (for instance, one episode had one of the main character, David Chelf's brother participating in a gambling syndicate). Corrupt cops were a major part of the show, showing them abusing their position, either by committing crimes (especially when undercover), or being more abrasive in their approach.
A key theme of the show, much like the book, was the interactions between the militiamen on the ground and the police bureaucratic apparatus, as well as with the community in general. Like the book, many story saw investigations stall due to bureaucratic backlog or inefficiency. One of the recurring corrupt cops, Bob Hershfeld,(who stole seized drugs to sell) remained afloat because of his brother high position in the Chicago council (eventually, he is finally arrested in season 4). Syndicalist councilman Grace Lee, while a critic of the professional police, is shown sympathetically by trying to ease the backlog and create a more streamlined relationship between the militia and the city commune. The community itself, being that many people go through the militia as part of their mandatory service, has a closer relationship with the militia, but it also has secrets that make some investigation difficult.
By season 5, Hanson decided to make longer arcs, and took inspiration from other sources. The focus on institutions expanded into federal services, focusing on the main National Militia Agency, the Proletariat Guard, and SecPubSafe, during larger scale investigations. The story of San Francisco Triad leader Chang Dang and his links with the Proletariat Guard [2] provided inspiration for the main season 5 arc, where investigation into a notorious gang is hampered by the use of its leader as an informant for Public Safety against other gangs, despite that leaders own crimes.
Season 6 took influence from both the Z-Murderer and Herbert Koehler to tell of a serial killer operating in Chicago, and how that investigation had problems due to misleading information and federal investigation.[3]
The final season saw one of the main characters, Angela Jones, run to be the representative to the All-Union Congress, and the resulting campaign and tensions within it.
Critically acclaimed during its run, the series would become a massive influence on later shows, much as Dragnet was, and would prove a major cultural artifact of the 80's. It also forced more attention to the Chicago Commune to deal with its backlog, due to the show's major focus on that, resulting in more investigations.
[1] That is at least how I envisioned their uniforms looking. Could just be those years I spent in India influencing me.
[2] Think Whitey Bulger and his relationship with the FBI
[3] Again, thanks to @Knightmare
Vanguards: an overview
Given the view against police professionalization, radio and later television police shows tended to focus on either the Red Guards or the CSS. Shows like The Invincibles (about John Dillinger and his squad of agents during the 30's) or The Guard (about the Missouri Proletarian Guard and their crisis management) were mostly about larger forces dealing with large problems. These were reflective of most media centered on socialist law enforcement. Focused more on federal professionals, rather than state-wide professionals. Those that did primarily focused on volunteers and their duties. Often, volunteers were the ones who helped solve the crime or caught the villain. An episode about having to do a stint in the police militia was a common sitcom trope in the UASR.
Still, some shows about local or state police militia professionals were produced. Mayberry told the story of a small town sheriff in North Carolina (played by Andy Griffith) and his militia, though the show was more comedic and nostalgic in tone. Metropolis Police, a more serious drama, regularly saw detectives in the Metropolis Republic pursuing deadly crimes within the city borders. The first major drama that focused on professional police was Jack Webb's Dragnet. Starring Webb himself as "Sgt. Joe Friday" , the show primarily saw real stories and cases featured, but with the names changed. The show (first starting on radio in 1949, then for two tv runs in the 50's and late 60's) received support from the National Militia Agency and the Los Angeles Militia (who gave Webb access to its archives), and renowned for its accuracy in how police militias operate. However, the show was primarily a procedural, with Friday and other professionals focused solely on the job, cooperating with any higher authorities, and catching the bad guys.
The mystique, as it were, of professional policing slowly unveiled through the sixties and seventies, allowing more nuanced look at professional policing. Shows like District 5, The Beat, and Khakis (the latter referring to the color of most uniforms.)[1] began to show professional police and especially police detectives in the capacity of a regular job, dealing with various crimes and trying to ensure the peace. Most were procedurals in the vein of Dragnet, but had a focus on the individual characters, their personal lives, and their relationships with each other. Still, it focused on the crimes investigated (except when dealing with occasional corrupt public officials, such as an infamous arc on The Beat about a string of corrupt cops informing a local gang on police infiltration.)
Garrett Hanson was a reporter with the Chicago Star. Between 1974-1977, he was assigned to report major crimes in the city. His coverage was notably extensive, covering the procedures that the Chicago militia would go through to ensure a completely fair and accurate investigation. His coverage also saw him become close to many professionals in the militia. He would hear off-the-record stories of how some investigations stalled due to bureaucracy and backlog, others discarded due to lack of evidence. He also heard of bizarre or horrifying cases, such as a corrupt Section 2 agent who abused his customs position to procure and sell Cuban cigars, which unraveled when an Haitian buyer repackaged and resold them as "authentic Haitian cigarettes".
One major theme of his columns was bureaucratic interference. Not intentional, but investigations and stings would be hampered by backlogs and problems with neighborhoods. There were also issues with monitoring volunteers. One officer told of an incompetent volunteer who was completely unfit and incompetent, but able to finish his service because of his apparatchik mother. Another constantly asked for better equipment for the volunteers, only for the request to go unanswered for months, until .
Hanson took these stories and other anecdotes into a book, Vanguards: A Look into the Chicago Militia (with names changed) in 1979. The relative success of the book got the attention of PBS-7, then in need of dramatic programming. Impressed by the realism, they decided to adapt the series as a television program. Feeling that no showrunner could possibly capture what he had seen, he became the main creator and writer on the adaptation.
Vanguards debuted in 1981, and ran until 1988. It mostly adapted the stories from the book from season 1-4, acted with a large cast of characters based on the militiamen interviewed in one signal station. The stories centered on the lives of these average militiamen and the true grind of their lives. Helping volunteers,responding to imminent threats, and investigating crimes. The main focus of the show was primarily the job of being a professional cop.
The characters dealt with various personal problems, which affected their ability to do their jobs. Sometimes, personal investment in the cases cause conflict (for instance, one episode had one of the main character, David Chelf's brother participating in a gambling syndicate). Corrupt cops were a major part of the show, showing them abusing their position, either by committing crimes (especially when undercover), or being more abrasive in their approach.
A key theme of the show, much like the book, was the interactions between the militiamen on the ground and the police bureaucratic apparatus, as well as with the community in general. Like the book, many story saw investigations stall due to bureaucratic backlog or inefficiency. One of the recurring corrupt cops, Bob Hershfeld,(who stole seized drugs to sell) remained afloat because of his brother high position in the Chicago council (eventually, he is finally arrested in season 4). Syndicalist councilman Grace Lee, while a critic of the professional police, is shown sympathetically by trying to ease the backlog and create a more streamlined relationship between the militia and the city commune. The community itself, being that many people go through the militia as part of their mandatory service, has a closer relationship with the militia, but it also has secrets that make some investigation difficult.
By season 5, Hanson decided to make longer arcs, and took inspiration from other sources. The focus on institutions expanded into federal services, focusing on the main National Militia Agency, the Proletariat Guard, and SecPubSafe, during larger scale investigations. The story of San Francisco Triad leader Chang Dang and his links with the Proletariat Guard [2] provided inspiration for the main season 5 arc, where investigation into a notorious gang is hampered by the use of its leader as an informant for Public Safety against other gangs, despite that leaders own crimes.
Season 6 took influence from both the Z-Murderer and Herbert Koehler to tell of a serial killer operating in Chicago, and how that investigation had problems due to misleading information and federal investigation.[3]
The final season saw one of the main characters, Angela Jones, run to be the representative to the All-Union Congress, and the resulting campaign and tensions within it.
Critically acclaimed during its run, the series would become a massive influence on later shows, much as Dragnet was, and would prove a major cultural artifact of the 80's. It also forced more attention to the Chicago Commune to deal with its backlog, due to the show's major focus on that, resulting in more investigations.
[1] That is at least how I envisioned their uniforms looking. Could just be those years I spent in India influencing me.
[2] Think Whitey Bulger and his relationship with the FBI
[3] Again, thanks to @Knightmare
A good insight into how police shows would be like in a socialist america, remind of those police shows that were made in otl communist countries.
Bulldoggus
Banned
@The Red Iron Chef
More Famous Quotes About Shore
"You know, for the 70's it looked like Labour and the Communists would merge, with Den and Reg and Dick Taverne and all the others joining the PA. And that scared us. But then, Shore came along, and opened a gap a mile wide between the two. And Shore scared me almost as much. He had fire in his eyes that all the eggheads who ran the ESCI could never muster. And if it wasn't for those seats in the Midlands the red fascists got selected in, he might have ended the whole show in '83"
-Prime Minister Willie Whitelaw reflecting on the opposition during the 80's during an interview with David Dimbleby.
"He was a red like any other, but at least he preferred the Arc De Triumph to the concrete Leviathans of Minsk and Detroit. He cared about our heritage, to his credit."
-From PM Jean Royer's autobiography "God and Country"
"The Yanks and Russians claim to be building a better world, but look at the hideous grey hulks they are building! Does that look like a better world to you? Does placing a concrete hulk in the middle of Historic Boston look good to you? Does blowing up ornate Orthodox churches look good to you? To me it looks like a world where Hitler won!*"
-Peter Shore in a stump speech, Paris, 1983
"As Willie Whitelaw liked to say, he had a fire in his eyes. In 81, 82 it looked like we were done for. Thank God Benn knifed him just as the Thames model was beginning to bear fruit."
-PM Keith Joseph writing an article about Labour in the post-Attlee age for The Times.
"He talked a good game, but he was satanic communist scum like anyone else in his Accursed party. Indeed, at least Benn was a God-Fearing man."
-PM Rhodes Boyson's response to Shore's death in The Telegraph.
"He was an arrogant, petty, shit, plain and simple. To know him was to hate him.** His opposition to a tighter partnership with India, Arabia and North Africa was parochial, outdated, racially-tinged nonsense."
-PM David Owen in his Autobiography, "Into the Maelstrom"
*Yes, Brutalist Architecture is a major bugbear of mine...
**Pot Calling the Kettle Black Here
More Famous Quotes About Shore
"You know, for the 70's it looked like Labour and the Communists would merge, with Den and Reg and Dick Taverne and all the others joining the PA. And that scared us. But then, Shore came along, and opened a gap a mile wide between the two. And Shore scared me almost as much. He had fire in his eyes that all the eggheads who ran the ESCI could never muster. And if it wasn't for those seats in the Midlands the red fascists got selected in, he might have ended the whole show in '83"
-Prime Minister Willie Whitelaw reflecting on the opposition during the 80's during an interview with David Dimbleby.
"He was a red like any other, but at least he preferred the Arc De Triumph to the concrete Leviathans of Minsk and Detroit. He cared about our heritage, to his credit."
-From PM Jean Royer's autobiography "God and Country"
"The Yanks and Russians claim to be building a better world, but look at the hideous grey hulks they are building! Does that look like a better world to you? Does placing a concrete hulk in the middle of Historic Boston look good to you? Does blowing up ornate Orthodox churches look good to you? To me it looks like a world where Hitler won!*"
-Peter Shore in a stump speech, Paris, 1983
"As Willie Whitelaw liked to say, he had a fire in his eyes. In 81, 82 it looked like we were done for. Thank God Benn knifed him just as the Thames model was beginning to bear fruit."
-PM Keith Joseph writing an article about Labour in the post-Attlee age for The Times.
"He talked a good game, but he was satanic communist scum like anyone else in his Accursed party. Indeed, at least Benn was a God-Fearing man."
-PM Rhodes Boyson's response to Shore's death in The Telegraph.
"He was an arrogant, petty, shit, plain and simple. To know him was to hate him.** His opposition to a tighter partnership with India, Arabia and North Africa was parochial, outdated, racially-tinged nonsense."
-PM David Owen in his Autobiography, "Into the Maelstrom"
*Yes, Brutalist Architecture is a major bugbear of mine...
**Pot Calling the Kettle Black Here