Hey! But my brother is a fan of this game (seriously - the entire regiment is filled with figures). Maybe I should ask him?
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Bulldoggus
Banned
The Comintern vs. 40k
In 1991, when 40k: The Horus Heresy first reached the UASR, the critics were vicious. The Boston Worker's Norman Paul called it "the most vicious filth I've ever seen." The usually banal Vlad Friedman of the Metropolis Times called it "disgusting crap with not a single redeeming moment." Jerry Rhodes of the Daily Worker went so far as to say "This film is the best argument for Detente I've ever seen. If this is the best the FBU can produce, the film that millions of FBU citizens have fallen in love with, than they don't even deserve socialism." The only respective critic to not be brutal was Roger Ebert, who gave limited praise for the technical skill of the film and criticized other critics for "showing off their loathing." But still, a verdict on the film was cast. Very few UASR citizens ended up seeing it in theaters.
However, this changed 2 years later, when EBC America Distribution released a VHS of the film. To everyone's shock, it sold out, and has been in circulation ever sense on VHS, Laserdisc, and Megachip. And yet, to this day, few will admit to enjoying the film.
"There's a stigma around it", said film critic and 40k fan Ben Jones. "The small, insular world of film critics made up their mind that this was an awful movie, and spent a massive amount of time shaming anyone who liked it. I mean, Jerry Rhodes still takes potshots at it." Thomas Cook, head of the American Anglophile Society, concurred, saying "Too many people feel it's their duty to hate anything from the FBU, be it movies, soccer, or a dozen other things. It's an unhealthy mindset."
This would seem to be true. After all, with movies like Doom or Mortal Kombat, we enjoy media just as nihilistically violent. When Megachip did a survey of the most common films in people's collections, 40k ended up in 4th place, behind only Star Wars, 1944*, and Fast and Furious III**. Perhaps it would be best if we, to borrow from another British classic, learn to stop worrying and love the God-Emperor.
*Basically a WWII movie that just about everyone has seen. Think Saving Private Ryan, something along those lines.
** I think "Fast Cars Blow Up" will never lose its inate appeal.
In 1991, when 40k: The Horus Heresy first reached the UASR, the critics were vicious. The Boston Worker's Norman Paul called it "the most vicious filth I've ever seen." The usually banal Vlad Friedman of the Metropolis Times called it "disgusting crap with not a single redeeming moment." Jerry Rhodes of the Daily Worker went so far as to say "This film is the best argument for Detente I've ever seen. If this is the best the FBU can produce, the film that millions of FBU citizens have fallen in love with, than they don't even deserve socialism." The only respective critic to not be brutal was Roger Ebert, who gave limited praise for the technical skill of the film and criticized other critics for "showing off their loathing." But still, a verdict on the film was cast. Very few UASR citizens ended up seeing it in theaters.
However, this changed 2 years later, when EBC America Distribution released a VHS of the film. To everyone's shock, it sold out, and has been in circulation ever sense on VHS, Laserdisc, and Megachip. And yet, to this day, few will admit to enjoying the film.
"There's a stigma around it", said film critic and 40k fan Ben Jones. "The small, insular world of film critics made up their mind that this was an awful movie, and spent a massive amount of time shaming anyone who liked it. I mean, Jerry Rhodes still takes potshots at it." Thomas Cook, head of the American Anglophile Society, concurred, saying "Too many people feel it's their duty to hate anything from the FBU, be it movies, soccer, or a dozen other things. It's an unhealthy mindset."
This would seem to be true. After all, with movies like Doom or Mortal Kombat, we enjoy media just as nihilistically violent. When Megachip did a survey of the most common films in people's collections, 40k ended up in 4th place, behind only Star Wars, 1944*, and Fast and Furious III**. Perhaps it would be best if we, to borrow from another British classic, learn to stop worrying and love the God-Emperor.
*Basically a WWII movie that just about everyone has seen. Think Saving Private Ryan, something along those lines.
** I think "Fast Cars Blow Up" will never lose its inate appeal.
Redshank Galloglass
Banned
Thank you comrade. I'm touched by your words ans how much you all cared for me. Know that I wont be going away for a long time.
Redshank Galloglass
Banned
He's actually a nice guy and a loyal friend, But he's a notorious prankster (caused so much Shit on campus when we were in college) and he knew that this was sick, but he didnt care cause he knew he'd get a kick out of me going absolutely super saiyan.
Redshank Galloglass
Banned
He does. He wont do it again. A few hours locked in a closet should ensure that... Heheheheheheh.
Bookmark1995
Banned
He better not. I will speak to a moderator if he does it again. I like you Chef, but I do not appreciate being dragged into a stranger's games.
Redshank Galloglass
Banned
You thought you were angry? Hell, how do you think I feel? Part of the reason I was so angry is because my email is used for my work as well as recreation, and he could have really fucked me up had I not looked at my shit in time.
Believe me, the dolt went too far this time, but he's my friend, so ill forgive him, after Im done torturing him.
I think I'll take a dive into this, starting with the alternate version of one of my favorite series of novels:
The Harrington/Theisman Series, By David Weber
The Harrington/Theisman series is a well-known, if slightly controversial, military science fiction series by American author and military historian David Weber. The series initially revolves around the conflict between the Star Kingdom of Manticore and the United Republic of Haven, both parallels to 18th-century Britain and France, respectively - and the relationship between the eponymous protagonists, Helen Harrington and Thomas Theisman. Both societies are aristocracies, explicit in Manticore's case, de facto in Haven's case. Both Harrington and Theisman are brilliant naval officers from common backgrounds. A major theme is the two of them managing to work together despite their superiors.
The first book, On Basilisk Station, sees the two of them assigned to a joint Manticoran-Havenite operation overseeing the Medusan colony. The Manticorans want to exploit the Medusans, while the Havenites want to "protect" them by denying them all access to modern technology. Both sides are also looking to start a war, using Medusa as a flashpoint, but Harrington and Theisman manage to avert it, and improve the lot of the Medusans in the process, although they never actually meet. The book ends with Medusa joining the Star Kingdom under the rule of an enlightened Medusan monarch who swears fealty to King Roger. Harrington gets the credit and is properly honored, while Theisman manages to deflect the blame onto his superior officer.
The second book, Duty and Honor, sees Haven and Manticore sparring over the strategic planets of Grayson and Meggido. Grayson is essentially a giant commune with a theocratic overlay, while Meggido is an oppressive and horrific theocracy. Theisman is sent to "join" the Meggidoan Navy while Harrington brings aid to the Graysons. Both are initially disgusted by the societies they find, although Harrington slowly warms to the Graysons. During a Haven-backed Meggidoan attack on Grayson, Honor and Theisman face off in battle for the first time. Theisman wins and captures Harrington, but he protects her and her female officers from the Meggidoans. When the Meggidoans try to seize Theisman's ship, Theisman and Harrington escape back to her ship, which Harrington uses to blow the Meggidoans apart. Harrington is made Hero of Grayson, complete with , Meggido is conquered by Haven, and Theisman goes home in disgrace. He is demoted to Lieutenant.
The third book, A Short Victorious War, begins the main story arc of the Manticoran-Havenite War. It introduces Harrington's academy roommate, best friend, and former lover Michelle Henke, who is herself part of the Manticoran royal family, but is a good sort nonetheless. It also brings back Harrington's nemesis, Lord Pavel Young, who tried to rape her back at the Academy and was her superior in On Basilisk Station. Young starts the Manticoran-Havenite War by being a cocksure dumbass, while Theisman gets involved in a plot to start a revolution. Harrington manages to save most of her ships by disobeying an order from Young, which gets her effectively cashiered (she was up for mutiny, but half the admirals on the court were actually honest and saw that if anything, it should be Young who gets the noose).
The series continues with Harrington going to Grayson for a while, while Theisman watches as the Havenite Revolution turns into a horror show, with entire families being executed, commissioners on ships questioning the captain's orders, etc. It's a cross between Stalin's Russia and Robespierre's France. Theisman and Harrington meet again, this time with Harrington taking Theisman prisoner, and the romantic chemistry between them becomes clear. Harrington returns to Manticoran service eventually, only to discover a conspiracy within the top reaches of the Manticoran government. She eventually traces it to the slavers and genetic engineers of the planet Mesa, and engineers a coup that puts Michelle Henke on the Manticoran Throne and severely cuts back the power of the aristocracy. Theisman, meanwhile, aids a second Havenite revolution that establishes a government clearly based on the UASR. When the massive Solarian League attacks Manticore in the novel At All Costs, Harrington and Theisman bring the Grayson and Havenite fleets to its aid, defeating the Solarians and establishing an alliance between the reformed Manticore and Haven. Needless to say, the book ends with the two of them making out in front of the media. The final books see Manticore and Haven join forces against the Solarians and their Mesan masters, with Harrington and Theisman working side-by-side (and coming up with a constant stream of excuses to see each other).
The Harrington/Theisman Series, By David Weber
The Harrington/Theisman series is a well-known, if slightly controversial, military science fiction series by American author and military historian David Weber. The series initially revolves around the conflict between the Star Kingdom of Manticore and the United Republic of Haven, both parallels to 18th-century Britain and France, respectively - and the relationship between the eponymous protagonists, Helen Harrington and Thomas Theisman. Both societies are aristocracies, explicit in Manticore's case, de facto in Haven's case. Both Harrington and Theisman are brilliant naval officers from common backgrounds. A major theme is the two of them managing to work together despite their superiors.
The first book, On Basilisk Station, sees the two of them assigned to a joint Manticoran-Havenite operation overseeing the Medusan colony. The Manticorans want to exploit the Medusans, while the Havenites want to "protect" them by denying them all access to modern technology. Both sides are also looking to start a war, using Medusa as a flashpoint, but Harrington and Theisman manage to avert it, and improve the lot of the Medusans in the process, although they never actually meet. The book ends with Medusa joining the Star Kingdom under the rule of an enlightened Medusan monarch who swears fealty to King Roger. Harrington gets the credit and is properly honored, while Theisman manages to deflect the blame onto his superior officer.
The second book, Duty and Honor, sees Haven and Manticore sparring over the strategic planets of Grayson and Meggido. Grayson is essentially a giant commune with a theocratic overlay, while Meggido is an oppressive and horrific theocracy. Theisman is sent to "join" the Meggidoan Navy while Harrington brings aid to the Graysons. Both are initially disgusted by the societies they find, although Harrington slowly warms to the Graysons. During a Haven-backed Meggidoan attack on Grayson, Honor and Theisman face off in battle for the first time. Theisman wins and captures Harrington, but he protects her and her female officers from the Meggidoans. When the Meggidoans try to seize Theisman's ship, Theisman and Harrington escape back to her ship, which Harrington uses to blow the Meggidoans apart. Harrington is made Hero of Grayson, complete with , Meggido is conquered by Haven, and Theisman goes home in disgrace. He is demoted to Lieutenant.
The third book, A Short Victorious War, begins the main story arc of the Manticoran-Havenite War. It introduces Harrington's academy roommate, best friend, and former lover Michelle Henke, who is herself part of the Manticoran royal family, but is a good sort nonetheless. It also brings back Harrington's nemesis, Lord Pavel Young, who tried to rape her back at the Academy and was her superior in On Basilisk Station. Young starts the Manticoran-Havenite War by being a cocksure dumbass, while Theisman gets involved in a plot to start a revolution. Harrington manages to save most of her ships by disobeying an order from Young, which gets her effectively cashiered (she was up for mutiny, but half the admirals on the court were actually honest and saw that if anything, it should be Young who gets the noose).
The series continues with Harrington going to Grayson for a while, while Theisman watches as the Havenite Revolution turns into a horror show, with entire families being executed, commissioners on ships questioning the captain's orders, etc. It's a cross between Stalin's Russia and Robespierre's France. Theisman and Harrington meet again, this time with Harrington taking Theisman prisoner, and the romantic chemistry between them becomes clear. Harrington returns to Manticoran service eventually, only to discover a conspiracy within the top reaches of the Manticoran government. She eventually traces it to the slavers and genetic engineers of the planet Mesa, and engineers a coup that puts Michelle Henke on the Manticoran Throne and severely cuts back the power of the aristocracy. Theisman, meanwhile, aids a second Havenite revolution that establishes a government clearly based on the UASR. When the massive Solarian League attacks Manticore in the novel At All Costs, Harrington and Theisman bring the Grayson and Havenite fleets to its aid, defeating the Solarians and establishing an alliance between the reformed Manticore and Haven. Needless to say, the book ends with the two of them making out in front of the media. The final books see Manticore and Haven join forces against the Solarians and their Mesan masters, with Harrington and Theisman working side-by-side (and coming up with a constant stream of excuses to see each other).
I will note that generally the opinion of Robespierre and the Jacobins among the radical left is glowingly positive.
Hmm. Might rework that. Maybe Rob S. Pierre (the leader of the Havenite revolution) is displaced sooner by Saint-Just, and Haven is more explicitly Stalinist. Also, Weber is fairly conservative.
Bookmark1995
Banned
What would kid cartoons be like the UASR?
Obviously, the most ludicrous forms of censorship (swear words and mentions of death) are thankfully not present. But let's say I wanted to make cartoons. If I wanted the cash and help, would I be required to shoehorn Red values into my story? Would the Reds not hesitate to indoctrinate children at a young age through cool pictures, or is there complete artistic freedom when making kids show, and people will put Red themes in there without coercion?
Obviously, the most ludicrous forms of censorship (swear words and mentions of death) are thankfully not present. But let's say I wanted to make cartoons. If I wanted the cash and help, would I be required to shoehorn Red values into my story? Would the Reds not hesitate to indoctrinate children at a young age through cool pictures, or is there complete artistic freedom when making kids show, and people will put Red themes in there without coercion?
This, probably. People, with around 80 years of socialist thinking, will likely put in socially aware themes without realizing it.