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[Derekc2]

Seeing the Star Wars talk, is it considered heresy here that I actually like Episodes II and III of Star Wars here? Because I do, even if I do admit they are rather flawed movies (two especially out of those two, though out of all the prequel movies Episode I is the most flawed out of them, being incredibly tedious).

 

[WotanArgead]

Leaders of the Progressive National Party

According to the sources - 100 out of 130 deputies of the Jordanian parliament are independent.

 

[Bulldoggus]

According to the sources - 100 out of 130 deputies of the Jordanian parliament are independent.

Whole lot of places that aren't Jordan in this Hashemite kingdom.

 

[Redshank Galloglass]

Whole lot of places that aren't Jordan in this Hashemite kingdom.

Since you're Mr. Keynesian here, could you write a peice on Indonesia? It's been speculated that it will become the TTL "Asian Tiger" of this world because of it's huge economy.

I would do it, but I'm working on a huge piece with @Nevermore that I think you'll all love.

 

[Bulldoggus]

Since you're Mr. Keynesian here, could you write a peice on Indonesia? It's been speculated that it will become the TTL "Asian Tiger" of this world because of it's huge economy.

I know zero about Indonesian politics besides Suharto and the fact that their current president has an uncanny resemblance to Obama.

 

[Miss Teri]

Since you're Mr. Keynesian here, could you write a peice on Indonesia? It's been speculated that it will become the TTL "Asian Tiger" of this world because of it's huge economy.

I know zero about Indonesian politics besides Suharto and the fact that their current president has an uncanny resemblance to Obama.

@Drizzly Mary is Indonesian. He might be able to help you in that area

I would do it, but I'm working on a huge piece with @Nevermore that I think you'll all love.

Can't wait to read it!

 

[Bulldoggus]

Austria is free TTL, right? I really want Austria to be one of the good guys.

 

[Bookmark1995]

Proposal For Bering Underwater Tunnel Entering New Phase of Negotiations

New York Times

April 10, 2017

Vladivostok-Russian and American bureaucrats met last month to negotiate the division of costs for the Bering Underwater, a proposed project that would link Siberia and Alaska via a tunnel underneath the Bering Strait.

The design that was jointly approved by the Ministry of Railways and the People's Secretariat for Railways last December will set the endpoints of the Tunnel from the town of Lavrentiya to the town of Wales.

However, continued negotiations over costs, engineering, environmental studies, and resource allocation will set the project back several more years, as projects would require infrastructure investment in the two remote communities to support the projected number of travelers.

The Bering Tunnel, if started, will stretch for up to 150 kilometers, and estimated speed along the tunnel will be 100 kilometers per hour.

The project is currently projected to be completed by 2025, and would be the first link between Eurasia and America since the Bering Land Bridge 10,000 years ago.

 

[Mr. C]

Leaders of the Progressive National Party, the De Facto governing party of the Hashemite Kingdom of Arabia since 1952* Leaders from the House of the People in bold, leaders from the House of Clergy and Tribes not in bold.

Note: The Socialists have little presence outside Damascus (and are a second-rate party within it). The Communists have little presence outside of Damascus University. The Islamic Party, traditionally the main opposition, have little presence outside of the old Saud stronghold of Riyadh and its surrounding area. Think as the government as being like the British system, except PMs can come from the Lords, which mainly consists of major religious and tribal leaders, and doesn't have many non-hereditary seats (note: when a Lord takes the PM job, he traditionally has his heir serve most day-to-day lordly duties in his stead). Note, the Kingdom includes modern day Iraq and Syria (minus the Kurdish parts), Jordan, Saudi, Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain, the UAE, Yemen, Oman, Djibouti, Somalia, and Zanzibar. The Kingdom of Egypt and Sudan is their main ally in the region, and the Hashemites are very pro-Entente. The kings are the OTL Jordanian kings.

1952-7: Abdullah al-Selim al-Sabah
1957-67: Michel Aflaq
1967-71: Salah Jadid
1971-3: Hafez al-Assad
1973-80: Jamshid bin Abdullah
1980-5: Hafez al-Assad
1985-92: Isa bin Salman al-Khalifa
1992-2009: Qaboos bin Said al-Said
2009-12: Patriarch Ignatius Aphrem II
2012-: Amal Alamuddin

I think Jello said that Syria was an independent, non-aligned country. And that Somalia was divided into a capitalist North and a communist South after the Horn of Africa War of the 60's.

 

[Nevermore]

Austria is free TTL, right? I really want Austria to be one of the good guys.

Austria is divided between a Blue western half and a Red eastern half just like OTL and ITTL Germany post-World War II. This was confirmed in the main thread recently with a map that had bloc breakdowns (as well as talking about some stuff decades ahead in the future).

 

[Shevek23]

Proposal For Bering Underwater Tunnel Entering New Phase of Negotiations

New York Times...
However, continued negotiations over costs, engineering, environmental studies, and resource allocation will set the project back several more years, as projects would require infrastructure investment in the two remote communities to support the projected number of travelers.

The Bering Tunnel, if started, will stretch for up to 150 kilometers, and estimated speed along the tunnel will be 100 kilometers per hour.

The project is currently projected to be completed by 2025, and would be the first link between Eurasia and America since the Bering Land Bridge 10,000 years ago.

So...by 2017 I don't know if I can even contemplate just how dizzyingly rich and developed the UASR and more generally all of the Americas will be. We have the authors stating as canon that the UASR will not fear nuclear power and successfully develop it, presumably without causing 100 times the OTl scale of accumulated accidents to discredit it, and so energy will not be much of a constraint. We will avoid the accumulated damage to growth that the recessions of the past 80 years have caused, and with greater wealth flowing to the working classes and flowing back into growth I expect at least double the over all rate of growth. This takes into account the rising Green movement that compels enterprises to take extra steps to minimize environmental impacts also I think. Now since growth is exponential, doubling the rate on average means a hell of a lot more development than OTL after 80 odd years!

All that said, even noting that Alaska was held by the UASR during the 30s and presumably got some serious attention during the war years, and then postwar while conflict with the USSR was not the top priority still there was that period where there were two Cominterns (or has all that been retconned away? if so even less priority to the UASR/USSR border zone then!) But until the Red Turn in the late 80s, Canada stands squarely between Alaska and the rest of the UASR by land. In wartime something like the Al-Can highway may have been completed but unlike OTL the return to prewar hostility between American Comintern and Canada would effectively nearly close it again, reducing it to a legacy of the wartime cooperative years and facing Canadians with the choice of maintaining it when it is just a connection of Yukon to the lower latitudes, through tough terrain, and keeping it in good condition might just be an invitation to Red invaders appropriating it. So basically whatever the status of Alaskan communications with the lower continental UASR as of say 1948 will set the upper limit for what the expanded UASR inherits from the Red Turn.

So after the Red Turn of Canada, there are 30 years or so in which overland communications to Alaska can resume developing. But will the Comintern, rich as it is, highly prioritize taking rail to someplace as desolate and environmentally fragile as the region of Nome, Alaska? For a railroad from Siberia to say Fairbanks be useful, service must continue on from Fairbanks to points in Yukon and the back of beyond of northeast BC and then Alberta to connect to the rich lower latitude network.

Should we just assume that by 2017 one can indeed ride a train from anywhere in the south all the way to Fairbanks, and if so is there already a spur to the northwest coast where the Tunnel would come out on the American side?

And similar questions apply even more strongly to the far northeast of the USSR! There regions that definitely would be connected, such as Vladivostok and Madagan are considerably closer to the Bering strait, but then again, Russia is poorer and the far northeast of Siberia is less attractive than the back country of Alaska to develop.

 

[The_Red_Star_Rising]

Austria is divided between a Blue western half and a Red eastern half just like OTL and ITTL Germany post-World War II. This was confirmed in the main thread recently with a map that had bloc breakdowns (as well as talking about some stuff decades ahead in the future).

Austria was also divided into occupation zones OTL. The Soviets just negotiated with NATO to have everyone stop occupying it to have it as a neutral country.

ITTL though, neither side is going to particularly care for the idea of maintaining country's borders for the sake of maintaining those borders. America is as likely to let east germany keep the sudeten land and link up with east Austria as it is to agree to back off and allow a neutral Austria to exist.

Ultimately though, neither side is strictly against the Anschluss so Austria is almost certainly being absorbed into one of the two germanies or split between both of them.

 

[The_Red_Star_Rising]

So...by 2017 I don't know if I can even contemplate just how dizzyingly rich and developed the UASR and more generally all of the Americas will be. We have the authors stating as canon that the UASR will not fear nuclear power and successfully develop it, presumably without causing 100 times the OTl scale of accumulated accidents to discredit it, and so energy will not be much of a constraint. We will avoid the accumulated damage to growth that the recessions of the past 80 years have caused, and with greater wealth flowing to the working classes and flowing back into growth I expect at least double the over all rate of growth. This takes into account the rising Green movement that compels enterprises to take extra steps to minimize environmental impacts also I think. Now since growth is exponential, doubling the rate on average means a hell of a lot more development than OTL after 80 odd years!

All that said, even noting that Alaska was held by the UASR during the 30s and presumably got some serious attention during the war years, and then postwar while conflict with the USSR was not the top priority still there was that period where there were two Cominterns (or has all that been retconned away? if so even less priority to the UASR/USSR border zone then!) But until the Red Turn in the late 80s, Canada stands squarely between Alaska and the rest of the UASR by land. In wartime something like the Al-Can highway may have been completed but unlike OTL the return to prewar hostility between American Comintern and Canada would effectively nearly close it again, reducing it to a legacy of the wartime cooperative years and facing Canadians with the choice of maintaining it when it is just a connection of Yukon to the lower latitudes, through tough terrain, and keeping it in good condition might just be an invitation to Red invaders appropriating it. So basically whatever the status of Alaskan communications with the lower continental UASR as of say 1948 will set the upper limit for what the expanded UASR inherits from the Red Turn.

So after the Red Turn of Canada, there are 30 years or so in which overland communications to Alaska can resume developing. But will the Comintern, rich as it is, highly prioritize taking rail to someplace as desolate and environmentally fragile as the region of Nome, Alaska? For a railroad from Siberia to say Fairbanks be useful, service must continue on from Fairbanks to points in Yukon and the back of beyond of northeast BC and then Alberta to connect to the rich lower latitude network.

Should we just assume that by 2017 one can indeed ride a train from anywhere in the south all the way to Fairbanks, and if so is there already a spur to the northwest coast where the Tunnel would come out on the American side?

And similar questions apply even more strongly to the far northeast of the USSR! There regions that definitely would be connected, such as Vladivostok and Madagan are considerably closer to the Bering strait, but then again, Russia is poorer and the far northeast of Siberia is less attractive than the back country of Alaska to develop.

The more pertinent question is whether the water is actually shallow enough to permit a construction project like this.

 

[Bulldoggus]

I think Jello said that Syria was an independent, non-aligned country. And that Somalia was divided into a capitalist North and a communist South after the Horn of Africa War of the 60's.

I'll change it to Somaliland. But I don't think the Syria thing makes sense. Don't forget, Syria is only a thing OTL because it was the French part of Sykes-Picot, and with Franco-British consolidation, that changes. My bet is they give Iraq and Syria to the Hashemites and in return, the Hashemites help Egypt secure the Suez (and FBU-India trade) from commie Palestine.

 

[Redshank Galloglass]

I'll change it to Somaliland. But I don't think the Syria thing makes sense. Don't forget, Syria is only a thing OTL because it was the French part of Sykes-Picot, and with Franco-British consolidation, that changes. My bet is they give Iraq and Syria to the Hashemites and in return, the Hashemites help Egypt secure the Suez (and FBU-India trade) from commie Palestine.

I actually agree with you here. Dont make much sense to me that Syria would be non-aligned.

 

[Bulldoggus]

I actually agree with you here. Dont make much sense to me that Syria would be non-aligned.

I mean, I'm not saying this out of GIB SOCDEMS CLAY. I genuinely think the geopolitical complexities of the Middle East and the Franco-British merger would lead to conditions such that an independent Syria wouldn't even be an idea most people have.

 

[Redshank Galloglass]

@The_Red_Star_Rising since 40k is the Star Wars of the Capitalist World TTL, we absolutely need a standalone movie or game about Kharn the Betrayer.

Because a Blood-crazed, Gore drenched Khornate Berserker with one of his arms missing it's armor, using a Giant Chainaxe intended for a Primarch, and a literal K/D ratio in his helmet is too much of a swell guy not to give standalone media to.

 

[Redshank Galloglass]

I mean, I'm not saying this out of GIB SOCDEMS CLAY. I genuinely think the geopolitical complexities of the Middle East and the Franco-British merger would lead to conditions such that an independent Syria wouldn't even be an idea most people have.

I agree. I think the Colonial countries are going to be subject to France and Britain for a long time.

 

[Bulldoggus]

I agree. I think the Colonial countries are going to be subject to France and Britain for a long time.

Good thing is, I think France and Britain will be far nicer and do a Marshall plan for them to keep the Colonies in the fold.

 

[Redshank Galloglass]

Good thing is, I think France and Britain will be far nicer and do a Marshall plan for them to keep the Colonies in the fold.

I think they'll certainly raise their living standards, if only to make them build actually competent armies to keep the Damned Communist Bastards away.