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[The_Red_Star_Rising]

Left Anarcha-Feminism is what I tend to hew to the most. Despite my fondness for various militaristic fiction and my love of dumb as shit action movies/games I tend to lean pacifistic and I have strong sympathies towards the Green movement's environmentalism though less to its acceptance of pseudoscientific scaremongering concerning GMO, medicines in general and vaccines in particular and the fringe greens scare me. Not to mention a lot of "population degrowth" rubbish is disproportionately targeted at people of colour. As a polytheistic and spiritualist neopagan I don't really buy into pure materialism and a distressing number of Internet atheists have done very little to distance themselves from the Fedorakin lolberterian, alt-reich, and Aynrando-Crapitalist neckbeards on reddit and youtube who are ultimately little better than the Abrahamic fundamentalists they claim to despise as they swing their atheism around to insult and hurt people. And then have the gall to wonder why reddit and youtube militant atheists are nearly universally mocked outside of their bubbles after spewing racist or sexist "biotroofs" and islamaphobic garbage or essentially fellating themselves over how smart they are for having "outgrown such silly superstitions".

The majority of atheists are much less terrible about this and don't really seek to evangelize, and I mean it's not like there's any shortage of atheists and agnostics in leftist movements who aren't Brocialist/Brogressive/Manarchist tier terrible, and indeed plenty of the most ardent supporters of social progress are themselves atehists, but the people who commit themselves to being the missionaries of atheism are as obnoxious as any door to door evangelizer.

 

[Redshank Galloglass]

I'd say I identify as a Marxist Deleonist/ Left Communist Syndicalist. I believe that a socialist society could work under a republican government, but that grassroots, consensus based democracy could work at a local level. So you can imagine I really like this TL.

I gues you could say I'm more of a militarist thought not as much as my Redsverse character. I do believe that capitalism will only come crashing down through revolution, though to be honest, as a person who once got into fights quite often, I'm not really fond of violence, persay.

I guess you could say I'm a libertine, though I have a girlfriend now, so I guess the more correct choice of words is that I was a libertine.

As for social issues, I'm all for feminism (YPJ baby) and minority rights and all that, but I'm pretty critical of the relatively liberal Identity Politics movements and how many Radical Leftists (especially in America) are so incredibly drawn to them, especially when there's equally pressing matters amongst the working man that they never seem to address.

 

[WotanArgead]

What have I done!?

 

[Bulldoggus]

So, it seems that (as I suspected) by the standards of the regulars on this, I fall into the upper-right (although really, I don't like that compass, as it was designed as anti-Blair propaganda and the questions are basically "are you to the left of Ayn Rand and more dovish than George S. Patton? You're an anarcho-leftist!).
I'm also a conservationist, but I loathe anti-GMO/Nuclear Energy/pro-woo wings of many greens. As for anarchism, I personally am a pretty solid statist, although I think AnComs do make more sense than AnCaps (although that is damning with faint praise). I'm a very secular, borderline-agnostic Catholic. Also, as for revolution, I do not much believe in it, unless you're in a dictatorship or something. History would suggest that revolutionism would likely mean plunging into an even darker abyss. Also, @The_Red_Star_Rising, who are "population degrowth people", and do they realize the economic ramifications of the worker/pensioner ratio?

 

[BootOnFace]

Soooo... No 1000% Full-blooded Marxists in the house?

 

[Redshank Galloglass]

Soooo... No 1000% Full-blooded Marxists in the house?

Marxist Deleonist/Syndicalist Left-Communist doesn't count?

 

[Bookmark1995]

Personally, I consider my viewpoint to be a mix of democratic socialism and libertarian social values, but I think ITTL, I would be considered a bourgeois leftist because of my political perspective.

 

[Libertad]

Soooo... No 1000% Full-blooded Marxists in the house?

What do you mean "full blooded Marxist"?

You know, this is my problem. This sense of "ideological purity" of who is fully Marxist or not. I doubt many self-proclaimed Marxists in real life are even "pure Marxists". I am tired of the shit. Honestly, even Jello, the very author of this timeline, is not a "full-blooded Marxist".

I am a libertarian communist, a fellow traveler of libertarian municipalism and anarcho-communism as well as "libertarian Marxism". Is that not enough? Goodness. So if I believe in God, I am no longer a "Marxist" even I recognize a great deal of Marx's contributions? Well, I guess I am not really "full Marxist" to begin with and that's fine by me but does that diminish my rationalism? I've seen your basis of this "full blooded Marxism" on the last page through @WotanArgead's arguments. Is that part of it? Is being a Marxist a good indicator of your communism? Shut up. Don't bring my faith into this and don't bring pure Marxism into this.

I don't mean to be harsh to you and to @WotanArgead but....seriously.

Just be happy that in this decaying ultra-capitalistic civilization there are still comrades and fellow travelers, you know. We are in hard times. Serious hard times. I almost don't want to see the future of this planet but... I just have to live on.

Personally, I consider my viewpoint to be a mix of democratic socialism and libertarian social values, but I think ITTL, I would be considered a bourgeois leftist because of my political perspective.

You'll fit with the Democratic-Republican Party as your strict OTL self brought into the context of ITTL. You'll look far-right though because of your economics. But if you are born surrounded by the ITTL's political environment and you are American, you may put yourself within the two communist parties. It may depend on your view on centralization and decentralization. Seems the key ideological difference.

Honestly, since Jello's introduction of the new situation regarding the UASR political parties, I started to be confused if I still want to be a dissident Green within the SEU. Pragmatically speaking, I feel a bit off about the militarist libertarians and the accommodation of Communist Labor to state power with the New Ageism for the SEU so I felt like joining Communist Labor for some reason. I may be in the political center of UASR ITTL. A Communist Labor that is not so loyal. It's something like that. I just can't help but recognize that markets and state planning can work combined despite wanting to see the higher phase of communism and seems like Communist Labor is the more pragmatic regarding the world communist revolution rather than Liberation, who appears more idealistic.

Regarding centralism, I guess it's because Communist Labor ITTL did not have the knowledge of the implications of the centralization through what happened OTL, because OTL did not happen ITTL. The state planned economies IOTL did not really rose up ITTL the same way they did IOTL.

Obviously, it's hinted that the two major parties can be very pragmatic despite their ideologies.

Don't look confused if I said that I am a libertarian communist and yet I look like a supporter of Communist Labor.

It's just how different IOTL and ITTL from each other you know. After all, I see Communist Labor embracing a "Marxian libertarianism" that happens to be more influenced and compromised by statist currents and the real tendencies of nationhood and the difficulties of spreading the world revolution. Of course in the context of ITTL, it doesn't look like that.

 

[Alexander the Average]

Marxist Socialist without qualification and generally sceptical of any rigid dichotomies placed between reform and revolution.

 

[Libertad]

Marxist Socialist without qualification and generally sceptical of any rigid dichotomies placed between reform and revolution.

That's what I mean. The rigidity and the dogmatism that plagued the far-left and ultra-left, obviously influenced by some FBI and COINTELPRO techniques by police in almost every country worldwide.

If I support political and economic reforms now, it shouldn't diminish my belief in a revolutionary overthrow of the capitalist system since I just felt that the capitalist equivalent of the "stagnation era" in the USSR already started in 2008 and it's already over for this system. The problem is what should be the proper replacement and how it will arise. Though my definition of "revolution" can be rather different. It's a bit Gramscian and "Autonomia" influenced.

I may be a fellow traveler but I still have to be careful in some way of posting here since our government just dropped peace talks with the Maoist rebels and the associated left national democrats could be affected again and we already have a semi-authoritarian government now, whose leader I naively voted back.

I am not an overt member of any organization around here though so I am safe and we don't have censorship.

 

[Nevermore]

So, it seems that (as I suspected) by the standards of the regulars on this, I fall into the upper-right...

If it makes you feel better I don't even identify as part of the general spectrum of this thread I think. I'm much too cynical about people in general to believe that the system can be replaced, and even if or when it comes crashing down around everyone, it will only get worse rather than better.

 

[Bulldoggus]

Soooo... No 1000% Full-blooded Marxists in the house?

No, I do not base my politics on the precise words of a guy who's been dead for what, 150 years? I am influenced by Marx, in that I believe we have to reform fast before a revolution comes along and (in all likelihood) drives us to an even darker abyss.

That's what I mean. The rigidity and the dogmatism that plagued the far-left and ultra-left, obviously influenced by some FBI and COINTELPRO techniques by police in almost every country worldwide.

I disagree that it was police who did that sort of thing, I think its mostly that academics love to argue over minutae.

If I support political and economic reforms now, it shouldn't diminish my belief in a revolutionary overthrow of the capitalist system since I just felt that the capitalist equivalent of the "stagnation era" in the USSR already started in 2008 and it's already over for this system. The problem is what should be the proper replacement and how it will arise. Though my definition of "revolution" can be rather different. It's a bit Gramscian and "Autonomia" influenced.

I disagree, actually. We on the social democratic side of things are armoring up and preparing to stop and reverse this retreat of the last 30 years. Keynes Vult!

 

[The_Red_Star_Rising]

So, it seems that (as I suspected) by the standards of the regulars on this, I fall into the upper-right (although really, I don't like that compass, as it was designed as anti-Blair propaganda and the questions are basically "are you to the left of Ayn Rand and more dovish than George S. Patton? You're an anarcho-leftist!).
I'm also a conservationist, but I loathe anti-GMO/Nuclear Energy/pro-woo wings of many greens. As for anarchism, I personally am a pretty solid statist, although I think AnComs do make more sense than AnCaps (although that is damning with faint praise). I'm a very secular, borderline-agnostic Catholic. Also, as for revolution, I do not much believe in it, unless you're in a dictatorship or something. History would suggest that revolutionism would likely mean plunging into an even darker abyss. Also, @The_Red_Star_Rising, who are "population degrowth people", and do they realize the economic ramifications of the worker/pensioner ratio?

People who advocate anarcho primitivism (and thus are totally fine with wiping out 99.9% of the population to hit pre-agricultural levels) or are "merely" in favor of reducing the population to 1 billion out of a belief that the only means to save the ecosystem requires mass cullings or basically letting populations crash for a few decades until they're frozen at around pre-industrial levels. Voluntary human extinctionists are surprisingly harmless but the population reductionists are monstrous and they have this habit of pointing the finger at Africa and Southern Asia with vaguely racist terminology.

 

[Bulldoggus]

People who advocate anarcho primitivism (and thus are totally fine with wiping out 99% of the population) or are "merely" in favor of reducing the population to 1 billion out of a belief that the only means to save the ecosystem requires mass cullings or basically letting populations crash for a few decades until they're frozen at around pre-industrial levels.

So, either kill ~6 billion people or leave the worker-pensioner ratio so out of whack that we'll starve billions to death? Fuck.
*Looks up "anarcho-primitivism"*
Jesus H. Christ! These people want to just ABANDON all of human development? That is fucking absurd!

 

[Libertad]

No, I do not base my politics on the precise words of a guy who's been dead for what, 150 years? I am influenced by Marx, in that I believe we have to reform fast before a revolution comes along and (in all likelihood) drives us to an even darker abyss.

An anti-capitalist revolution shall drive us to an even darker abyss?

It's a matter of seeing what's the proper for revolution for you or not or even what's dictatorship.

I guess I am more optimistic in the capabilities of humanity to do something better regarding this decaying system we're living in.

At least I know people will do something that's never done before.

The question is if we have enough time to do it, given the global warming.

I disagree that it was police who did that sort of thing, I think its mostly that academics love to argue over minutae.

It's both. But to defend the police as if they are not involved in harassing far-left movements is just... I don't know. Really? You believe that the police doesn't have a role in fostering discontent and division within leftist groups?

I'm sure you believe in this, you just don't think it's too extensive or even effective.

I disagree even on that notion though.

I know. I read about it. It's been talked about with people I know. The entire thing about "fuck the police" has a deeper meaning than people imagine.

I disagree, actually. We on the social democratic side of things are armoring up and preparing to stop and reverse this retreat of the last 30 years. Keynes Vult!

Ah...Keynes. Well, that's the problem. I've dropped Keynesianism as the future of humanity for quite some time. It...worked. It's not going to return anymore. It's over.

The anarcho-primitivism.... it's sad. But it's understandable. They do have a more innate understanding that we are fucked because of the way we live as a species for quite some time. The Peak Oilers also.

It's all about energy.

The problem is their set of solutions. It's....unimaginative.

 

[The_Red_Star_Rising]

So, either kill ~6 billion people or leave the worker-pensioner ratio so out of whack that we'll starve billions to death? Fuck.
*Looks up "anarcho-primitivism"*
Jesus H. Christ! These people want to just ABANDON all of human development? That is fucking absurd!

AnPrims are around AynCraps in the level of disrespect the tend to get from other anarchists.

 

[Bulldoggus]

An anti-capitalist revolution shall drive us to an even darker abyss?

At least I know people will do something that's never done before.

It might do something that has never been done. That could end up being far worse than anything that's been done, is the issue.

It's both. But to defend the police as if they are not involved in harassing far-left movements is just... I don't know. Really? You believe that the police doesn't have a role in fostering discontent and division within leftist groups?

I know they are involved in harassing them, but honestly, there would have been tons of division regardless of the coppers.

AnPrims are around AynCraps in the level of disrespect the tend to get from other anarchists.

These guys may (somehow) be worse! At least AnCaps don't openly endorse wiping out 99% of the human fucking race (hell, I think most of them really just don't understand the ramifications of their ideology)! JFC. I'm generally not a fan of any variation of anarchism, but this takes the cake in terms of being outright evil.

 

[Libertad]

It might do something that has never been done. That could end up being far worse than anything that's been done, is the issue.

I know they are involved in harassing them, but honestly, there would have been tons of division regardless of the coppers.

These guys may (somehow) be worse! At least AnCaps don't openly endorse wiping out 99% of the human fucking race (hell, I think most of them really just don't understand the ramifications of their ideology)! JFC. I'm generally not a fan of any variation of anarchism, but this takes the cake in terms of being outright evil.

All of these things I cannot deny.

 

[Nevermore]

People who advocate anarcho primitivism (and thus are totally fine with wiping out 99.9% of the population to hit pre-agricultural levels) or are "merely" in favor of reducing the population to 1 billion out of a belief that the only means to save the ecosystem requires mass cullings or basically letting populations crash for a few decades until they're frozen at around pre-industrial levels. Voluntary human extinctionists are surprisingly harmless but the population reductionists are monstrous and they have this habit of pointing the finger at Africa and Southern Asia with vaguely racist terminology.

I actually wonder as to what the racial breakdown of that hypothetical 1 billion 'sweet spot' would even be. Who determines how many people in each nation is acceptable? Do we break it down by ethnicity in countries in settler countries like the USA or Canada? I suspect that the people advocating for it would obviously say that First World countries should have the most people (because for fringe positions rarely do people imagine themselves being potential victims, natch) but I have to admit morbid curiosity as to how it would be determined.

 

[Redshank Galloglass]

It might do something that has never been done. That could end up being far worse than anything that's been done, is the issue.

I know they are involved in harassing them, but honestly, there would have been tons of division regardless of the coppers.

These guys may (somehow) be worse! At least AnCaps don't openly endorse wiping out 99% of the human fucking race (hell, I think most of them really just don't understand the ramifications of their ideology)! JFC. I'm generally not a fan of any variation of anarchism, but this takes the cake in terms of being outright evil.

Kinda makes me think: is it possible any AnPrims would exist ITTL? It would be a good choice to add to the rogues gallery of Redsverse AH.com.

I'd participate considering... Well.. Considering I lost all my progress for my Eagle's Wrath update.