Reds fanfic

Honestly I would love to see the Church of LDS turn into the default progressive Christian Church, like the Methodists in OTL. It tickles me to think of "Mormon family values" being actually wholesome and viewed as such across America.


The Presidents of the Church getting "revelations" that women and men are equal in the family and church and the homosexuals and transgender people aren't doing anything wrong would be great.


Mixed-gender bike missionaries wearing mandarin-collared suits spreading the word makes me giggle.


I can hear the Bishops going on about "so-called Christians" who don't even believe in socialism and destruction of the patriarchy already!

Trintarians (having been founded by former Catholics angry at the Vatican's opposition to the revolution) are already the default "progressive" church.

I imagine that most other denominations (one way or another) following their lead, otherwise they would be branded as reactionaries and facing the wrath of the authorities.

Mormons would be regarded as bizarre by the country as a whole, because they are time conservative foot-draggers, but are at times more radical in their notions of family.

Do you see the rise of the "Kollontaian Family" as a possible outcome after the Second Cultural Revolution.
 
@Bookmark1995 this is the kind of stuff I like to see here! (actually, most of your contributions are the kinds of things I like to see here)
Stuff that makes sense as a plausible outgrowth of the timeline as we know it and strikes us as a bit strange/alien to think about, and that isn't just a re imagining of a series or whatever (as fun as those are).

I could see there being a bit of a tension from other parts of the society on Mormons' widespread adoption of Kollontaian families, given their otherwise more conservative cultural attitudes. Especially with an alt-FLDS scandal, others could express concern that maybe there's some sort of regressive or sexist attitudes being kept in them, like the men have all the power over the women and children, or something similar. I'd imagine that by the current date though, hopefully the communities would be equal-sided affairs.

It'd also be interesting to consider different psychological effects of children raised in Kollontaian communities vs those raised in more standard collective upbringing/care in the UASR.
 

Bulldoggus

Banned
Trintarians (having been founded by former Catholics angry at the Vatican's opposition to the revolution) are already the default "progressive" church.
Speaking of which:
Higher Education in the UASR (Part I)
"The Alliance of Christian Colleges"*
Bronx Trinitarian=Fordham
Boston Trinitarian=BC
Providence Trinitarian=PC
Debs Trinitarian=G'town
Chicago Trinitarian=Loyola
Worcester Trinitarian=Holy Cross
Cascadia Trinitarian=Gonzaga
Wisconsin Trinitarian=Marquette
Philadelphia Trinitarian=Villanova
St. Louis Trinitarian= St. Louis U.
Connecticut Trinitarian=Fairfield U.
Utah Mormon=BYU
Cleveland Trinitarian=John Carroll
Notre Dame=Notre Dame

"The Golden 12"**
Massachusetts Institute of Arts and Sciences=Harvard
Connecticut Institute of Arts and Sciences=Yale
Metropolis Institute of Arts and Sciences=Columbia
New Jersey Institute of Arts and Sciences=Princeton
Rhode Island Institute of Arts and Sciences=Brown
New York Institute of Arts and Sciences=Cornell
Granite Institute of Arts and Sciences=Dartmouth
Pennsylvania Institute of Arts and Sciences=UPenn
Pacific Institute of Arts and Sciences=Stanford
Southern Coast Institute of Arts and Sciences=Duke
Inner South Institute of Arts and Sciences=Tulane
Midwest Institute of Arts and Sciences=Northwestern

"The Big 50"***
[INSERT STATE HERE] Higher Learning Institute

"The Land Grants"****
People's Institute of Technology [Insert State Here]

*Basically the Jesuit tradition in education continued
**The elite liberal arts schools of the UASR
*** State-Level liberal arts schools
**** The Tech School system of the UASR. PIT Massachusetts (MIT) is the most famous and best of the lot
 
They get parties?

Other then the classic "Do what the Generalissimo says or we'll blow your goddamn head off" party?

I figured that after MacArthur, there'd be some semblance of a democracy.

So, here's the basic primer:

After MacArthur's death, he is succeeded by Robert F. Kennedy, who proceeds to make wide-reaching systemic reforms regarding things like bilingualism, civil rights, etc.

This leads to a major split between the old guard of MacArthur loyalists (led by Howard Buffett in Congress and supported by Havana casino mogul Fred Trump) and the new guard of Kennedy supporters (led in congress by Luis Posada Carriles and supported by the Rockefeller family).

The old ruling party, the National Salvation Front, would eventually split into two major parties by the end of the sixties. By the end of the seventies, that number would increase to five, plus several other minor parties.

Further complicating matters is that party lines tend to be rather fluid. The two major parties that spun off from the NSF could best be described as political machines, and many parties run on rather broad, generic platforms. Cuban political parties are typically run by family dynasties (or, as of late, celebrities), and party switching doesn't carry the same stigma that it does in other countries. Hence, the common half-joke that "Cuban politicians can levitate, which is why they stay up there without a platform".

The major parties are as follows:

National Party/Partido Nacional: The party of the old MacArthur loyalists. The National Salvation Front were the party of the yumas, the businessmen, the army, the Mafia, and the general elite. The Nacionalistas, in many ways, continue this tradition...except now the businessmen, Mafia, and elite speak Spanish as well as English. While repudiating MacArthur's racism, their call for "humane capitalism" and "the New Nationalism" recall some elements of MacArthurism. Originally, their main platform plank was to eventually regain control of the mainland, but only a tiny minority of older members still follow this plank.

The party is known for it's "big tent" philosophy, with members ranging from continental corporatists to nationalistic Cold Warriors to Evangelical Christians to "radical center" types. As such, the party is infamous for constantly changing its agenda depending on which faction is in charge this time. Cuban comedian Maximo, in his special "The Truth" once joked that "the National Party is the only political party in the world to have no goals or agenda"

The party's current leader is John Ellis Bush, a member of the Evangelical coalition. Their color is white (leading to the nickname of "Los Blancos"), and the party newspaper is The American Review.

Progress Party/Partido del Progresso
: Quite possibly the last political party still advocating social liberalism in the world, the Progressive Party grew out of Kennedy loyalists in the NSF. They're less right-wing than the Nacionalistas, but still refuse to be classified as left or right wing. Rather, according to them, "The Progress Party repudiates the nanny statism of the mainland and the crony capitalism of the Havana elite. We stand for the Third Way, the American Way. We seek a cure not through the free market or the welfare state, but through the democratic center". Despite this, the Cuban right still accuses them of being insufficiently patriotic, and Cuban leftists (including Cuban exiles in the mainland) see them as being no different from the Nacionalistas.

The party gains many votes from rural voters (for their platform of farm subsidies), the urban poor, the middle class, and Afro-Cuban voters. Maximo, in the same routine, joked that "the Progress Party is technically just as corrupt as the Blancos, but they take bribes from union bosses and agribusiness instead of mobsters which makes their corruption better". The party color is blue (leading to the nickname "El Pitufos", or The Smurfs), and their newspaper is Progress

America First: The most recent political party, founded by National Party co-founder Fred Trump. The party was formed 1980 after the National Party dropped their opposition to bilingualism, which angered Trump so much that he called George H.W. Bush "the biggest traitor to American values since Norman Thomas" to his face. Their platform calls for, among other things, free trade, a withdrawal from the Alliance of Free States, ending the bilingualism policy, developing a nuclear arsenal, and building a seawall around the island to keep dissidents from fleeing. Their biggest electoral victory was in the 80's, where they at one point held 20 seats in Congress. Currently led by Fred's son, Donald, whose personal controversies (including multiple sexual harassment lawsuits and uncomfortably close relations with the West German far-right and Afrikaner nationalists in exile) keep his party from reaching major party status. Typically, they receive protests votes, and usually no more than five seats in Congress (often taken by members of Trump's family). Rumors persist that the only reason the party keeps going is that it's a honey-trap set by the mafia, and/or that employees of the Trump Corporation are forced to become members if they want to get promoted.

The party's color is gold, and their newspaper is The Free Domain.

Christian Democracy/Democracia Christiana
: The party of the Catholic Church. Founded by Catholic preacher Rafael Benevido Cruz in the 70's, and inspired by the German Christian Democratic Union, this party advocates a womb to-tomb welfare state, communitarianism, the distributism of Pope Leo XIII, protection of the environment, and "traditional family values". It opposes the influence of the gambling industry in Cuban politics, abortion, the death penalty, "unfettered capitalism", secularism, and communism.

While popular among the religious segments of the population (especially Hispanics), their opposition to gambling tends to limit their chances of election, and thus they typically prop up minority governments. As for their supporters, any and all Catholic stereotypes can be applied here. The party's color is green, their symbol is a pelican, and their newspaper is El Heraldo. The party is currently led by Cruz's son, Teodoro Eduardo Cruz.

Partido de Cubanos
: The main Cuban nationalist party, which views the US government as illegally occupying Cuba. While not officially communists, they are hostile to the FBU, and are at the very least considered "fellow travelers". Current leader Manuel Vasquez Portal once commented "I don't give a damn whether Cuba should be communist or capitalist, all I care about is that Cuba should be Cuba!" The party, which up until recently had abstained from Congress, has been threatened with closure three times. All have failed, with the most recent attempt at closure failing because the courts determined that too many of the members were NBI informants, some of which seem to be actively embracing the party...

The party's color is red, and their newspaper is Cuba Libre. Members get along surprisingly well with members of the Christian Democrats.
 
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Bulldoggus

Banned
The party is known for it's "big tent" philosophy, with members ranging from continental corporatists to nationalistic Cold Warriors to Evangelical Christians to "radical center" types. As such, the party is infamous for constantly changing its agenda depending on which faction is in charge this time. Cuban comedian Maximo, in his special "The Truth" once joked that "the National Party is the only political party in the world to have to goals or agenda"
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The party's current leader is John Ellis Bush
You forgot the exclamation mark.
We stand for the Third Way, the American Way. We seek a cure not through the free market or the welfare state, but through the democratic center". Despite this, the Cuban right still accuses them of being insufficiently patriotic, and Cuban leftists (including Cuban exiles in the mainland) see them as being no different from the Nacionalistas.
The party gains many votes from rural voters (for their platform of farm subsidies), the urban poor, the middle class, and Afro-Cuban voters. Maximo, in the same routine, joked that "the Progress Party is technically just as corrupt as the Blancos, but they take bribes from union bosses and agribusiness instead of mobsters which makes their corruption better". The party color is blue (leading to the nickname "El Pitufos", or The Smurfs), and their newspaper is Progress
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Nice job everybody on the posts. We got some good ones here today. I'm eventually going to contribute myself, in the next few days.

I was wondering about the UASR's "social engineering" projects, so I'm tying that in with my wikitravel Honolulu peice.

Let's just say, due to a massive UASR (and Asian Comintern) social engineering project, Honolulu ends up becoming the NYC of the South Pacific.
 
Nice job everybody on the posts. We got some good ones here today. I'm eventually going to contribute myself, in the next few days.

I was wondering about the UASR's "social engineering" projects, so I'm tying that in with my wikitravel Honolulu peice.

Let's just say, due to a massive UASR (and Asian Comintern) social engineering project, Honolulu ends up becoming the NYC of the South Pacific.

What do you mean by "social engineering"?
 
What do you mean by "social engineering"?

It's a Government funded program to move quite a large amount of people to "rebuild" Honolulu into a large metropolis based upon Honolulu's strategic position in the Pacific and the sheer amount of trade the UASR can control with a huge metropolitan port city.



Also @Bulldoggus (you'll probably love this) as a testament to the progress of the UASR and the success of the Social Engineering Project, the government funds the creation of the "Pan-Pacific Gateway Stadium" which is a stadium on top of a 450 meter skyscraper.

I know it sounds a little nutty, but India is planning something similar IRL.
 

Bulldoggus

Banned
Also @Bulldoggus (you'll probably love this) as a testament to the progress of the UASR and the success of the Social Engineering Project, the government funds the creation of the "Pan-Pacific Gateway Stadium" which is a stadium on top of a 450 meter skyscraper.
She-it. The God Emperor Keynes would be pleased (especially if that skyscraper was all public housing).
I know it sounds a little nutty, but India is planning something similar IRL.
Link?
 
She-it. The God Emperor Keynes would be pleased (especially if that skyscraper was all public housing).

Link?

Ok, turns out it wasn't a government planned project, but here's the link.

http://www.evolo.us/architecture/cricket-stadium-on-top-of-a-skyscraper-in-india/


Also, the building is unfortunately not public housing, but there's over 100 workers collectives set up there. However, Honolulu is known in the UASR for having a large amount of incredibly tall apartment buildings to house it's incredibly large population.
 
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Bulldoggus

Banned
Have fun with this.
AH.com: The Official Culinary Thread
Best way to make a burger: when you're mixing the ground beef, mix cheddar, salt, and pepper in there. Put that all in a burger mold and grill it until it is medium-rare. Then, fry an egg, and put that, brie cheese, and bacon on the burger. Pretzel bun is recommended.*

Medium Rare? Sounds like a good way to get food poisoning.

Well, we actually have food safety standards here, so YMMV by region

NO POLITICS HERE.

What is your favorite fast food place?

*This is a good recipe IRL
 
AH.com: The Official Culinary Thread
TotalBrit said:
There's this Brazilian restaurant "Palácio Imperial" that I go to for lunch on occasion. It has some good shrimp bobo and jerba. The guy who runs it was a Rio chef, who had studied cooking in Paris, but moved to Newfoundland for less population density. His son is actually a neighbor and friend of mine, so I go there quite a bit. There's also a fairly good Thai place, and a good MidEast place

And on occasion, I eat Maggie Pie. When there isn't anything else to eat.....

Skaelingking said:
For shame Brit. For shame.

TotalBrit said:
Look, it's only when I have to. It's open late, and sometimes, I work late enough that everything is close. Cut me a break.

Kalki said:
Well, you're better than me. I think I eat too much Maggie Pie. Usually the quickest thing I can get that is between the base and my house. (Never try a Maggie Pie from India, though. A meat pie without meat, but a lot of spices, isn't very satisfying)

For higher quality food, I go to "Ganga Inn", this Indian restaurant, that specializes in Southern cuisine. The Idlis and dosas there are amazing, and the tandoori chicken is great. It's not one of those chain Indian restaurants either, so the food is of higher quality.

And if I want to go exotic, I could try the Hong Kong Chinese Place
 
@Bookmark1995 this is the kind of stuff I like to see here! (actually, most of your contributions are the kinds of things I like to see here)
Stuff that makes sense as a plausible outgrowth of the timeline as we know it and strikes us as a bit strange/alien to think about, and that isn't just a re imagining of a series or whatever (as fun as those are).

I could see there being a bit of a tension from other parts of the society on Mormons' widespread adoption of Kollontaian families, given their otherwise more conservative cultural attitudes. Especially with an alt-FLDS scandal, others could express concern that maybe there's some sort of regressive or sexist attitudes being kept in them, like the men have all the power over the women and children, or something similar. I'd imagine that by the current date though, hopefully the communities would be equal-sided affairs.

It'd also be interesting to consider different psychological effects of children raised in Kollontaian communities vs those raised in more standard collective upbringing/care in the UASR.

I'm glad you like my contributions. The truth is, I find the attempt at recreating OTL culture to be somewhat tedious.

Generally, there is a distrust of Kollontaian families everywhere, with only the ultra-left thinking of them as a the final stage before universal brotherhood can be achieved, and even polyamorous people thinking of them as somewhat unusual. Mormon communities are especially under stigma, because of the ITTL Warren Jeffs scandal.

But scandals like that are the exception, not the norm. After a horrific incident like that, most Kollontaian Mormons would do everything possible to discard that image.

Mormons, more so than OTL, are some of friendliest, most generous people you'll ever meet. They still proselytize in foreign countries, but they are also known for their humanitarian work. While conservatives complain about "Kollontaian indoctrination", most Mormons, even Kollontaian ones, will just smile and walk away if you slam the door in their face. They're trained to deal with the fact that people find them weird, and are willing to laugh at jokes about them (as long as you don't mention the name Warren Jeffs).

In fact, some lucky guys might get to meet a female Mormon Kollontaian recruiter who will offer some...special recruitment activity, inspiring a myriad of erotic literature. They see their communal trysts as serving the lord, after all. ;)

Besides, while their unions are legally respected, there are restrictions imposed on them by Debs authorities about what they can and can't do. They can put churches at the center of their communities, but they can't force their young people into going to them. They can not sell beer and coffee in their shops (since they are collectively owned), but they can't stop someone from bringing their own (although polite tourists are willing to abide by their custom). They can organize their schools, but can't dodge a secular curricula (and breaking that rule will result on a 3 month probation period by an education official). They can shape the minds of their children, but they can't shackle them to their communities. They can ban women from serving (but they don't), but they can't put chastity belts on them. In a society with a secret police, they know that such abominations can't stay hidden.

As I've, the news usually reflects extreme situations, and never reality. Most people don't hear anything from these strange towns, thus there is usually nothing to worry about.

As for psychological, I haven't studied psychology. As far as I can tell, Mormon households seem like wonderful places to grow up, so maybe the children there are every extroverted, but I really wouldn't know.


It's a Government funded program to move quite a large amount of people to "rebuild" Honolulu into a large metropolis based upon Honolulu's strategic position in the Pacific and the sheer amount of trade the UASR can control with a huge metropolitan port city.



Also @Bulldoggus (you'll probably love this) as a testament to the progress of the UASR and the success of the Social Engineering Project, the government funds the creation of the "Pan-Pacific Gateway Stadium" which is a stadium on top of a 450 meter skyscraper.

I know it sounds a little nutty, but India is planning something similar IRL.

Again, your version of Honolulu sounds like a combination of "work hard, play hard" (which I feel describes your character very well). I can't wait to know what it looks like
 
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