Reds fanfic

Discussion in 'Alternate History Discussion: After 1900' started by E. Burke, Jan 17, 2015.

  1. E. Burke Monster God of Joisey Banned

    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2014
    Location:
    Joisey
    I've just been elected to the country Soviet


     
  2. MernStahl Phantasiac Tyrant

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2015
    I pretty much agree. RB is very much a one-nation Tory . And indeed, most Objectivists are not Armstrong (it'd help their case if they focused on something like Brewster's criticisms rather than thumping Mises and Rand but even then...).

    Scandinavian economics being similar to fascist economics...oh Sweden, if only you knew. Though I see what you mean, fascist economics, being rather corporatist, could theoretically be similar to the Scandinavian model (when fascism bothers to think about economics. And stops spending money on guns).

    I've been wondering about China and I see what you mean - I figured it might be some kind of super-Yugoslavia of OTL, communist aligned but not really engaging much in the Cold War and trading with the AFS, probably regarding said Cold War as a waste of resources.

    Doesn't Denmark end up going communist? I agree with the rest of them though (I also have no idea what happens to Austria though I wager communist). Still find it out the little capitalist Germanies don't get unified into one moderately sized capitalist Germany but I guess the FBU doesn't want anyone challenging them - you're right about them being dependent on the FBU and if one becomes too powerful, that could bugger up the entire internal structure.

    As far as I can tell, the only European state large enough to equal the FBU that's capitalist could possibly be a united Spain, depending on Spain becoming fully capitalist (I have a theory on Spain (and Portugal) getting invaded by Germany to destroy the communist state there, with the Franco-Brits later invading across the Channel and across the Strait of Gibraltar. Well, I'd be tempted to do it that way). And I can see how Western Europe could evolve into an extension of the FBU's empire (Britain and France carrying out the tradition of eating large sections of the world I see). Certainly, with Churchill's original advocacy, it could easily evolve into a Warsaw Pact like dependence on the metropole (and I imagine the FBU would want to help said regimes keep their own empires together. Or make them ditch bits if it becomes too much to handle).

    There are going to be too many international organisations in the future, though in reality they all report back to Washington, (whatever the FBU capital is - Calais?) or Moscow, though I gather the Comintern is a bit more equal (since it's much more voluntary membership than the desperation driving the FBU's friends).

    I can see what you mean about the FBU's democracy - by modern standards it would perhaps be flawed but if the elections are free (if not entirely fair) I suppose it is. The UASR is a bit better - you could even have capitalist parties, though without changing the constitution they probably wouldn't be able to pass many policies.


    Anyone have any ideas as to what the FBU flag would be? Or the AFS flag? Or the Commonwealth of Nations (assuming they don't use OTL)?
     
    Last edited: Aug 5, 2015
  3. E. Burke Monster God of Joisey Banned

    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2014
    Location:
    Joisey
    Fascism is more a politicized emotional state than ideology
     
  4. MernStahl Phantasiac Tyrant

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2015
    You have a bit of a point there. Thespitron once described it more like an art movement, which I can kind of agree with. Baseline fascism is basically a totalitarian mass movement focused on one thing (and dislikes anything that isn't that one thing). While this is technically an ideology, it's a very dry one. Variations of fascism are where the ideology is focused. The corporatism, totalitarianism, nationalism, anti-socialism, fundamentalism, unity and the reactionary modernism that some forms of fascism express - that's when it starts to resemble an ideology in the more traditional sense (some could argue Religion is sort of an ideology). Nazism is an ideology (albeit a crazed one), fascism is more a concept.

    It's kind of like just saying "democracy" - what kind of democracy, how much democracy etc. Once you figured that out, then you have an ideology, as opposed to an idea.

    This is why fascism is regarded as 3rd way, if not in a world of its own.

    Good work on that "Elected to Soviet" post btw - I liked your analysis of the very democratic nature of the UASR and, while not intolerant of dissent, it exerts a great deal of pressure to conform in that regard, something often regarded as a downside of such a system.
     
  5. E. Burke Monster God of Joisey Banned

    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2014
    Location:
    Joisey
    I thought only certain fascisms were third way?
     
  6. MernStahl Phantasiac Tyrant

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2015
    Well that's sort of true I guess? While fascism fits better on the right-wing than it does the left, it's very loose and empty baseline approach means it can fit a lot - you could even have worker's cooperatives for a fascist economy, it's just they'd have to support the government in every vote they make (i.e not likely). You could even get some more authoritarian forms of socialism to start resembling fascism in terms of practice - totalitarian mass movements purging their opponents. The UASR's purges and its state immediately after the revolution are somewhat fascist in that regard for example.

    Not to mention fascism often aimed for modernism, which isn't always the forte of conservatives and a discouragement of some traditional sexual values, such as extramarital relations not so bad for the Nazis (propagating the master race, after all). The large government is also at odds with most right-wing ideas on small government but the corporatist style and general intolerance fits poorly with the left. So it's more right-wing but doesn't fit well.

    Fascism in theory can be 3rd way, fascism in practice can vary. The core idea is unity, which isn't really on the left-right spectrum for most countries.
     
  7. Mr.E The Man that Time Forgot

    Joined:
    Aug 2, 2012
    Location:
    The Mountainous Democratic Republic of Colorado
    I've just been elected to the country Soviet

    And also, E. Burke, what did you think of my Captain America piece?
     
  8. E. Burke Monster God of Joisey Banned

    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2014
    Location:
    Joisey
    I thought I said it was pretty good. But yea its pretty good
     
  9. E. Burke Monster God of Joisey Banned

    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2014
    Location:
    Joisey
    I've just been elected to the county soviet

     
  10. Mr.E The Man that Time Forgot

    Joined:
    Aug 2, 2012
    Location:
    The Mountainous Democratic Republic of Colorado
    I've just been elected to the county soviet[/QUOTE]

     
  11. E. Burke Monster God of Joisey Banned

    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2014
    Location:
    Joisey
    I just got elected to the county Soviet

     
  12. Libertad Interdimensional Traveler Anarchist

    Joined:
    Jul 1, 2011
    Location:
    Malayang Republika ng Pilipinas
    A little post I have in mind. :)

    I just got elected to the county Soviet

     
  13. Mr.E The Man that Time Forgot

    Joined:
    Aug 2, 2012
    Location:
    The Mountainous Democratic Republic of Colorado
    I just got elected to the county Soviet


     
  14. Mr.E The Man that Time Forgot

    Joined:
    Aug 2, 2012
    Location:
    The Mountainous Democratic Republic of Colorado
    Bioshock Infinite controversy

     
  15. E. Burke Monster God of Joisey Banned

    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2014
    Location:
    Joisey
    Bioshock Infinite controversy

     
  16. Mr.E The Man that Time Forgot

    Joined:
    Aug 2, 2012
    Location:
    The Mountainous Democratic Republic of Colorado
    Bioshock Infinite controversy

     
  17. Mr.E The Man that Time Forgot

    Joined:
    Aug 2, 2012
    Location:
    The Mountainous Democratic Republic of Colorado
    A Science of the Mind

    L. Ron Hubbard has been described many ways. Visionary, con man, meglomaniac. How ever you may describe him, influential is universally used. His religion, Dianetics, has millions of followers across the capitalist world, with some notable figures joining. It has remained strong for 60 years, despite widespread ridicule, and bans in many communist countries for being a cult or "capitalist front organization. Despite this, its founder is wrapped in a myth concocted by him and his organization. Discerning facts from his life is difficult. However, there are a number of verified facts, that provide a tract record into how Hubbard managed to find such a large religion.
    Born in Tilden, Nebraska in 1911, Lafayette Ronald Hubbard was the son of a US navy officer and a government clerk. He grew up in Helena, Montana. Whilst Dianetics claim that he was a prodigy who learned his crafts on his grandfather ranch, and that he was made a Blackfoot blood brother, records show he grew up in a townhouse in Helena, by his veterinarian grandfather and mother, after his father left to rejoin the Navy for the First World War in 1914. Following the end of the war, his father was reassigned to various locations. He moved to Seattle, where he became an Eagle Scout (supposedly the youngest in the country, but unverifiable). In 1923, his family moved to Washington DC, where he supposedly received teachings on Fruedian psychiatry by Commander Joseph "Snake" Thompson (again unverifiable), which he found unsatisfying. His father transferred to Guam in 1927. It was during this time that Dianetic records show that he had traveled through Asia, where he learned the tenants of Eastern philosophy, which he also found unsatisfying. However, there were only two recorded visits to China, where he, at one point, says in his private journals, "The trouble with China is, there are too many chinks here."(1)
    After failing the Naval Entrance Exam, Hubbard returned to the US, and managed to get into George Washington University. However, his grades were incredibly poor, and he dropped out in 1931, despite Dianetics claims that he studied nuclear physics there (he took a single course, where he got an 'F' in). After dropping out, he became a pulp fiction writer, becoming best known for his science fiction writings. He had several published stories in various magazines, including Astounding, and Amazing when the revolution came in March, 1933. Dianetics claims that he had secretly worked to sabotage communist ambitions in Washington, and provided important intelligence for the capitalist junta. Once again, records show that he, in fact, sat out the war, apparently finding places to hide, whenever either Red or White forces entered the region. . He continued his writing career, writing for Spec. Worlds and Fantastic Science, but struggled with the new structure of society. Most of his work was largely rejected for publication by the magazine. He was similarly distraught over the loosening of societal mores. In a 1935 letter to Forrest Ackerman, he denounced the "Bolshevik-led destruction of American values."
    Finally, in 1936, he decided he had enough. Official Dianetics accounts tells of how he piloted a ship, while Red forces pursued him, before he reached Cuban shores, and survived in the jungle, before he was found, and brought to civilization. However, his real journey was less fantastic. He went to Toronto in March, and stayed there for several weeks, before he could arrange for a ship to take him to Havana, and for his passport to expire. He arrived, and got an American passport. During his first few months in Cuba, he worked a number of odd jobs, including hotel manager, government clerk, and copywriter. He also continued writing for Amazing Stories, the local Cuban sci-fi magazine. However, he got the notice of John Campbell, the editor of Amazing, who would continually publish his story. This allowed him to live off being a writer. He befriended Campbell, and soon became the biggest contributor to Amazing.


    (1) Yes, he really did say that. Ruminate on that for a minute.

    So, this is part one of two parts on the beginnings of Scientology in this world. I'll write the next part soon. I have one question: What is Cuba's role in WWII in this world? Otherwise, any thoughts?
     
    KeresAcheron and rzheng like this.
  18. Edward_Elric Socialchemist

    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2012
    Location:
    Miami
    Nice write-up there, Mr. E. Now I'm imagining TTL's Scientology-inspired movies being made by British and French (and I suppose Australasian) actors/directors/studios.

    Cuba's WWII role will be interesting. I suppose that the UASR will want to avoid having the exile regime take any active involvement, but may just tolerate some token troops being sent to Western Europe in the war's ending stages. Afterwards, it's likely that Cuba will be where fugitive Nazis end up, as opposed to continental Latin America.

    Technothriller/action movies ITTL will probably feature infiltration of Cuba in the hunt for Nazis as a common cliche. Besides Cuba, they may also end up in some FBU-aligned Arab countries and/or South Africa.
     
  19. Mr.E The Man that Time Forgot

    Joined:
    Aug 2, 2012
    Location:
    The Mountainous Democratic Republic of Colorado
    A Science of the Mind-Part II

    In 1938, Hubbard began to explain in various letters about a manuscript he wrote that would have a massive implications on human existence. He described in a letter to John Campbell, "a manuscript that came from 20 years of research into various cultures, which shows that mankind is driven simply by an drive to survive. This book will change humanity, more than the Bible." Campbell and Hubbard discussed the manuscript extensively, but it was never published. The Church of Dianetics purports that the manuscript drove anyone who read it insane. During the Second World War, he was activated as a lieutenant on a patrol submarine. Dianetics states that Hubbard had valiantly destroyed various U-Boats throughout the Atlantic, and later served with Allied forces to liberate Europe (both of which are unlikely, given Cuba's role was relatively small, thanks to UASR influence, until the end of the war.) In fact, his supposed exploits were made into a film called, "The Commander" in 2000 (considered one of the worst films of all time) However, official records show that Hubbard never left Cuba. In fact, he was removed from command several times due to insubordination. It was around this time that the government began surveillance of Hubbard, suspecting him a Communist saboteur, due to inconsistencies in his story, and his inability to follow command. This contributed to a popular conspiracy theory that Dianetics is actually a Communist plot to subvert and destroy Capitalism. Following the war, he continued to formulate his theories with Campbell, whilst still writing to support himself until he published "Scientology: a Science of the Mind", in Amazing Science Fiction in May 1950. The article said that a mind tends to retain information, even when it is unconscious. Painful experiences are kept as "engrams", which reside in the "reactive mind", which cause problems in later life. To rid of them, one needs an audit, which forces a person to relive these experiences. This allows a person to live a full life. Soon, a full book describing this (Scientology: A Modern Science of the Mind, 1951, Santiago Press) was released. Whilst the critical response was negative (among other, H. P. Lovecraft described it as "complete nonsense", and American Psychiatric Association denounced it), it was a large hit, and allowed for Hubbard and Campbell to form the Church of Dianetics in 1952. The government follows the activities of this organization very closely.
     
    KeresAcheron and rzheng like this.
  20. The_Red_Star_Rising Homestuck Trash

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2014
    Location:
    Is of much dark here
    Cuba is probably going to be outright sheltering the Kriegsmarine, Regia Marina (with Gibraltar held by a friendly Britain the Italians can send ships out into the Atlantic), and the Brazilian fleet and their subs right up until Britain and France are forced to confront the monster they created in 1942. U-boat captains and the like might even be greeted like heroes and there would probably be talk of using Cuba as a base for Amerika-bombers to put fear in the hearts of America (given that Red America and Nazi Germany have been overtly hostile in the interbellum to an extent the USA could never practically be OTL the Amerikabomber project would likely be worked on from the founding of the Reich) though even Cuba probably wouldn't want to go quite that far. If more because that'd make the UASR do a spinning pirouette off the handle than anything else.

    As for Cuba's involvement; UASR or not, a country with a population and industrial capacity like Cuba's, even with a whole host of refugees from the mainland and investment from capital flight and from Europe and Japan isn't going to be a particularly noteworthy force in the war without substantial logistical support. Like, they're most likely to raise a handful of Prachina like divisions. Though while the political conditions allow it, they might raise something like the Spanish blue division.
     
    rzheng likes this.