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  1. Knightmare Well-Known Member

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    Basically.

    Plus, it fits with the area.

    "Oh, I'm not harassing Cuba. I just go out fishing at night, in my large boat, and come back with more people then I go out with. Damndest thing, I swear."
     
  2. Catsmate Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, lots of potential for small scale operations, official or otherwise. I'm reminded of Genevieve from Shute's Most Secret. Sink a few patrol boats, land and retrieve agents, drop off arms and supplies, rescue the brain drain refugees and so on.

    A bit like the English Channel and Irish Sea in the EDC, constant tension and harassment with occasional small battles but neither side willing to risk major forces.
     
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    Really? Well what would happen to Hoover then, if he received a pardon, but then remained in the FBU as post-war relations deteriorated into a Cold War.
     
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    Dogmatism in Science Fiction
    (Review of the Soviet novel Andromeda Nebula (1), for Astounding Science Fiction).
    For historical process characterized by periods when the accelerated development of science and technology. These moments are usually preceded by a radical change in the social and world order. No wonder that in such periods blooms science fiction literature. Just as the works of Jules Verne became a consequence of the industrial revolution in Europe, as well as new works become heralds the era of the cosmos and the atom. A special place is given to the Soviet fiction, since the work of the Soviet people paved the way to the stars, has sent nuclear energy in a peaceful course. Nevertheless, the Soviet model error adversely affected the Soviet literature. The first socialist state was a victim of the Stalinist terror and party monopoly. Even though the softening regime in the USSR is still prohibits entire literary genres, and many ideas and opportunities have been neglected. the consequences of totalitarianism in the novel by Soviet writer Ivan Yefremov "Andromeda" is especially visible.
    First of all, it should be noted that the novel is filled with unnecessary moralizing and didactics. The book is written in verbose, artsy style. Individual pieces of text might - be a pre-election speech or luzongom the political poster, surprising that this is nowhere Lenin statues. You sleep on the oversight of Soviet censorship. It should be noted that in the novel loosely described economic mechanisms of society that raises suspicions in the banal economic illiteracy. First of all, it should be noted that the novel is filled with unnecessary moralizing and didactics. The book is written in verbose, artsy style. Individual pieces of text might - be a pre-election speech or luzongom the political poster, surprising that this is nowhere Lenin statues. You sleep on the oversight of Soviet censorship. It should be noted that in the novel loosely described economic mechanisms of society that raises suspicions in the banal economic illiteracy. Characters of cardboard, it's not real people, and stautui and walking guides. They say pretentious language. Only Pur Heath demostruet anything blizskogo ordinary mortals. Many mentioned Beth Lohn just exaggerated Byronic type. I note a strange obsession with the author of the human body. All the characters are definitely kravsivy especially affects the relationship of the writer to the woman - a woman is not critic-subject for him, and criticized and evaluated object, and the objectification of women, he devotes a lot of pages. If men simply attractive, then ugly women are simply not available.
    It seems that the novel was created only to foreign protevorechit (relative to Russian of course) fiction. Instead of two or three centuries, events are taking place in an unknown (but probably very remote epoch). The decision covers technical problems for centuries. starships surprisingly slow moving. This technique breaks down. The author dares to criticize the Western way of life, and blaming the Europeans and Americans (living in a socialist state) in the "technicality" and "consumption". But if you look closely, you will notice the most important trace of Soviet totalitarianism - domination tehnakratov and Operation of the workers. Unfortunately, Soviet science fiction can not serve as a guiding star for America and the real communists.

    1) The first - in the American edition of the novel is called differently. Second - to be not very successful attempt to criticize favorite novel from the point of view of Americans.
     
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    Very interesting update. Are there any parallels to this in OTL Russian/Soviet history.​
     
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    This is a real novel. While very important for me (in fact, my relationship product resemble the relationship between teacher and student, and the relationship with the girl who was willing to give up (like the novel in its pereinachit) but could not live without it).
    Part of the text, and I took a certain "industry publications" where the novel strongly drove, and even submitted that should feel man accustomed to interstellar battles, princesses and to the rest mass consumption.
    I think that the novel itself has not changed much. And there on the first and will be the head of the "refuge of culture" where Veda Kong will find. not paintings and sculptures, but jewelry and machines, and Miyoko bubet lament the fact that western civilization neglected spiritual development, and lived only at the expense of technique.
    Actually, I would like to know what changes have been in the novels of Efremov (and a razor's edge and Bull's hour they will be sure).
     
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    Cool.I actually have the English translation of Andromeda (I think it's in public domain here in the States) bookmarked, and I plan to read it at some point.
     
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    As I promised - another review on "Andromeda Nebula". At this time a positive one.


    New Horizons.
    (Controversy with Article "dogmatism in science fiction").

    I should not be surprised rapid growth of fiction in the Soviet Union. The achievements of Soviet science, as well as the relative democratization of the regime. In general, the Soviet people optimistic, and ready to face the future with open arms. The novel of Soviet paleontologist Ivan Yefremov - "Andromeda Nebula" is a real breakthrough in Russian fiction literature. But it makes rethink and fantastic American tradition. But first things first.
    The most popular features of the critics of the novel - the characters. Characters do little in the literary types of the extended ones (although it seems to me that these people have made out UASR and the Soviet Union). They are really different talk, think and feel differently. However, we must understand that we are here talking about the distant, the communist future, where many familiar to us things have changed. Do medieval peasants to understand us? to master the physics of our shaman of the ancient Huns? Perhaps that the author managed to create the first sketches to the portrait of the future of people. But all the same characters in the speech still too many specific scientific terms. Yefremov enjoys a large number of technical terms of the future. Many of them relate to things that are in the plot of the novel do not play a significant role and therefore are meaningless to the reader, in spite of the "explanations" of the author. It seems that the writer is no reason as if they invented admiring words. Invent even a significant number of non-existent scientific disciplines. Undoubtedly, in the coming millennium, people are likely to create a huge number of new branches of science and self-discipline. It is also possible that many of them will have a sonorous name, but references I. Yefremov large number of names, such as:.. "Repagular calculus", "bipolar mathematics", "cochlear calculus", etc., creates the impression welter. It seems more appropriate that when creating fiction novels and stories the authors have not really excelled in inventing new concepts and ideas, and to use the minimum amount of fictitious concepts needed for the development of the plot.
    Drinking woman also should not confuse the reader. The first thing to note is the fact that the description of the naked body does not contain a hint of pornography. Beautiful woman is transformed from the sexual object into a work of art. Three times - all heroines strong and independent personality capable to freely express their feelings. We can only regret that the Cultural Revolution was held by the author, and it is not very progressive on this issue.
    Yefremov tried to paint the future in general, to lay down a general picture of the individual parts.
    He speaks not only about space travel, most of the chapters is devoted to life on earth.
    Where will people live then? According to Yefremov, leaving the hot and cold countries, people settled in favorable subtropics, leaving other lands for livestock and crop production.
    How will educate their children? Starting from the second year of life, kids will live in boarding schools, in the most beautiful and healthy places in different parts of the Earth. However, loving mother will be able to educate themselves and their children to a designated Mothers Island.
    What is art? Read Chapter Seven "Symphony in F minor color tonality 4,750 mu." It tells about the future of music, which is accompanied by a colored light patterns basically blue tone.
    What is medicine? Read about how to save lives Renn Bose. Take the damaged organs, cleaned, disinfected, rejuvenate, and then put back into the body.
    Overall, the picture is not objectionable. But one can argue about particulars.
    Many complain of the low-speed spaceships and lack of space battles. Unfortunately, science is not known ways to circumvent the speed of light, and the author would like to describe the most plausible options (which, incidentally, distinguishes Soviet science fiction from European and American, they are trying to solve nauchnue questions and prinebrigayut them for the sake of the spectacle).
    A relationship extraterrestrials likely our mistake - a passion for space battles suggests that our fiction is still at the level of teenage literature. The author believes in peaceful contact with the other reason, because the tsivilyazatsiya spsobnye conquer the stars must be rational, but from all forms of social organization only communist able to rationalize production and to solve economic problems. And after the elimination of the predatory war, the economy should go into the past. If civilization is underdeveloped socially, it must destroy itself. This is the view of the author.
    Andromeda defies all socialist fiction - the need to show the future. Can we take it?
     
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    By the way did you know that the Alien "by Ridley Scott - Free variation (no plagiarism) Italian film Mario Bava" Planet of the Vampires ", and Mario Bava read" Andromeda Nebula ", he tells about it in an interview the way, not just Mario Bava read Ephraim. but Antonio Margeritti. and when the Soviet Union decided to film the novel Ephraim, the design was borrowed from Margenitti.
     
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    I have a big update here, with lots of new material:

    Only Watch if You Have Collateral

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    Only Watch if You Have Collateral is British sitcom that aired in 1976 and 1979 (Two series with 6 episodes each). It was written by John Cleese and Terry Jones, who also starred in the show. It is one of the most well-regarded British TV shows in history, and was listed no.3 on the British Film Society's list of List of the 100 Best British TV Shows. [1]

    The series centers around Chamran Knebter [2] (Cleese), a greedy and mean-spirited merchant banker, his vapid, gold-digging wife Veruca [3] (Paula Wilcox), and Knebter's cowardly but level-headed assistant Benedict (Jones). The plots usually center around Knebter's underhanded attempts at gaining more wealth and prestige, with Veruca either joining the scam or trying to sabotage Knebter (usually out of spite, but sometimes to protect his wealth).

    [1] The OTL analogue is the 100 Greatest British Television Programmes

    [2] This was a real Monty Python sketch, and my personal favorite. I figure that while mocking the UASR would be common, many British comedians would find comedy gold TTL mocking the plutocrats in their society. Chamran Knebter is an anagram for "merchant banker".

    [3] Yes, this was a reference to the bratty girl in Willy Wonka. Veruca is Latin for "wart".

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    Collective Insanity


    Collective Insanity was an American television show that aired on PBS between 1983-1988. It was written and created by Harold Ramis and Dan Ackroyd, and stars John Vernon, Candice Bergman, Robin Duke, and John Candy. It was ranked no.5 on the American TV Societies list of "The Ten Best Workplace Comedies".

    Set in Windsor, Ontario, the series centers around Bill Brown (Vernon), a strict and dictatorial factory owner whose business was collectivized after Canada's economic reforms. Each episode involves his attempts to run his factory along collectivist methods with his usual threats and intimidation, but instead learning a lesson about camaraderie, trust, and compassion.Candice Bergen plays Joanna Harold is a union official who assists Brown, and fights his nasty demeanor with snark and wit, while Robin Duke plays Suzanne Martin, Brown's secretary who is marked by her absent-mindedness and kindly demeanor, serving as a foil to the stern Joanna. John Candy stars as Harold Kennedy, Brown's bumbling but good-natured assistant. His eventually develops his own story arc, in which he grows from a spineless goof to a more assertive and intelligent employee who is willing to stand up for his own ideas.

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    Time slip and I debated the fate of Hershey's Chocolate in Reds. Based off our discussion, here is what I came up with.

    Derry's: The Fall and Rebirth of American Chocolate (Part One)

    May 08, 2017.

    The Derry Chocolate Cooperative, known throughout the Comintern as Derry's, plans to celebrate its 65th birthday. You've probably seen the Television and radio ads with Derry's hawking novelty products to celebrate this milestone, and advertising discount tours of its famous factory in Derry, Pennsylvania. This writer will talk about the unusually violent, but hopeful origins of Derry's.

    Like many enterprises in the UASR, Derry's was a company built by capital and adopted by labor.

    Derry's was originally known as a Hershey's, or more formally, the Hershey Company. It's founder, Milton Hershey, was the archetypal American capitalist. He had made a fortune and achieved the so-called American dream by turning something that had been reserved for the upper class, in this case chocolate, and making it into a food cheap enough for the middle class to enjoy. His name had become synonymous with chocolate. Hershey, however, was not a typical evil capitalist. He voiced concerns about the welfare of his employees, but rather than restrict his concern to self-righteous acts of charity, he sought to use his wealth to improve the standard of living of his employees.

    Within the Derry Township, he built his own community, Hershey, and invested in schools, homes, and hospitals for his employees. This act of magnanimity, combined with his making a sweat treat popular, turned into a revered figure in old American society by the 1920s.

    Many moderate labor leaders did indeed have respect for Hershey, and some pushed other businessmen into providing the same benefits to others. However, more far-left political figures had a cynical view of Hershey, often using Oscar Wilde's famous line of being the worst slaveholder by being the worst slaveholder, by being the kindest one, to describe the chocolate maker.

    This adage does have basis in reality. While Hershey factory workers did indeed have a good standard of living, they still did not own the means of production. And their own lives still centered around the beliefs of Mr. Hershey, as their benefits could easily be snatched away if they "stepped out of line". While Hershey was shown to be ambivalent to unionization, his company President, William Murrie was a mean-spirited anti-communist who known for sending hired goons into Hershey worker homes without warrant to look for evidence of "communist fraternization".

    Beyond American soil, the cacao farmers that grew the main ingredient in Hershey's chocolate were among the most exploited, often toiling for hours in brutal, serf-like conditions.

    One incident would open the eyes of many. On September 10, 1928, Russell "Bull" Behman, a union official, tried to pass out Worker's Party pamphlets to employees. 3 scabs under the payroll of William Murrie, assaulted Behman and two employees who held the pamphlet in their hands. The incident triggered a strike that only ended when Hershey personally stepped in, agreeing to an end to unwarranted invasions of homes, and compensation for Behman. Behman famously tore up his compensation check, saying "The blood shed from each worker is worth more to me than any bone a capitalist with throw at me". While chaos had been avoided temporarily, the incident opened the eyes of many employees to their precarious reality of their lives.

    However, one group of employees continued to revere Mr. Hershey, the dairy farmers on the outskirts of town. Cut off from the reality of Hershey's so-called utopia, the dairy farmers looked upon union activity with utter disdain. But there were more practical, if selfish, reasons. Much of their livelihood depended on Hershey's purchase of their milk. The combination of ignorance, greed, and Christ-like worship of a businessman created a perfect storm for sympathy to fascism, one that would ultimately destroy Hershey's chocolate.
     
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    Why do you believe that Soviet America will be Star Wars, and the like.
     
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    I actually watched Planet of the Vampires recently. Very interesting film, and I do see the influence on Alien.
     
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    Derry's: The Fall and Rebirth of American Chocolate (Part Two)

    When the Great Depression struck the old American republic, even Hershey employees were not immune to the economic devastation. The saw pay cuts, and a reduction in hours worked, while Hershey and the board of directors continued to live in luxury. However, many employees continued to have faith in the democratic process, campaigning vigorously for Norman Thomas and his idealistic goals.

    However, when MacArthur chose to knock over the table of fair politics and create a dictatorship, Hershey employees immediately joined the strikes and armed campaigns. Hershey, with his business unraveling, attempted to keep his workers under control. He also was an opponent of MacArthur's coup.

    Unfortunately, his futile attempts at mediation were undone by the very people who claimed to back him. Murrie, his loyal company president had converted into a hardcore MacArthurite. Whether motivated by some twisted loyalty or an attempt at usurpation, On April 18, 1933, he sent armed thugs to burn down the home of striking workers, killing Kate Spencer, and elderly and beloved citizen. Believing the company head to be responsible for the death of a poor old woman, Hershey employees vengefully descended on Hershey's luxurious home, looting his possessions and burning it to the ground.

    Hershey, however, had been warned about the attack, and realizing the time for talk had long past, fled from his property in a luxurious car, with a chauffeur, a butler, and a few possessions.

    The dairy farmers, incensed with this attack on their god, descended upon Hershey with torches and guns. A brutal riot ensued. Within days, the once idyllic community was in ruin. The factory became a burnt skeleton, and many beautiful homes had been turned to ash. 53 people lay dead. Nothing could better symbolize the downfall of American capitalism than the destruction of community that represented its optimism.

    But a greater symbol was possibly the fate of Mr. Hershey himself. He struggled to get loans to build a new chocolate company in Canada, but in a period of recession, no bank was going to loan money to a failed, elderly businessman. His property in Cuba was confiscated by MacArthur's regime and handed over to a crony. He was forced to pawn his few remaining possessions to make ends meet. Driven to despair, he died on December 18, 1933 in a church-run homeless shelter, destitute and alone. At his funeral, only his butler showed up. Perhaps a fate too harsh for a man who was never truly villainous, but the march of history does not always trample the guilty.

    The new revolutionary government had no interest in the making of chocolate, so the business was left in ruin for a time. Many of Hershey's employees abandoned the community with its economic engine gone. Murrie would himself die in prison in 1947, having been sentenced to life is prison for his support of MacArthur.

    Upon the ashes, a spring would come for the renaissance of American chocolate.


    Derry's: The Fall and Rebirth of American Chocolate (Part Three)

    While the creation of Hershey's Chocolate was motivated by commercial interest and grandiose ambition, its reincarnation as Derry's was the result of a mix of nationalism, resentment, a plight for working people.

    In 1946, a British soldier gave a young man on military leave a bar of chocolate out of simple generosity. For Michael Denny, that chocolate inspired a whole bunch of nostalgia.

    "Eating that chocolate felt like being reunited with a long lost relative", wrote Denny in his autobiography.

    Denny was the son of a Hershey employee. Like any child of Hershey, he enjoyed free candy whenever he pleased. He also enjoyed a decent education at Hershey schools. But like many America children, his peaceful life came crashing down with the Second American Revolution. The deadly riot in Hershey left him with burn marks on his arm, and his father was shot dead by a fascist dairy farmer.

    He, his mother, and his five siblings left the area and built new lives in Philadelphia.

    But after being reintroduced to chocolate, Denny was set forth on a mission: to create a successful collective chocolate business, and to avoid the mistakes Mr. Hershey made, mostly because he thought bourgeois British chocolate should never be exploitative.

    He returned to the site of old Hershey factory and the community, now little more than a brownfield. Having been taught chocolate lessons by his father, he called other former employees to embark on request. Instead of naming the new enterprise after himself, Denny chose to name it after the community itself.

    "Communities should own the means of production," wrote Denny ," not the other way around".

    He also sought to reduce exploitation in the cacao industry too. Avoiding Cacao produced in West Africa, Denny traveled to Ecaudor to set up what became known today as Collective Exchange: an agreement between primary and secondary industries of good wages and development from the former. Today, Ecaudorian cacao kibbutzim continue to provide beans to Denny's while providing benefits and quality of life to their employees. Denny's would attract acclaim across the socialist world for their business strategy that combined camaraderie and improving the human condition with dedication and hard work.

    The story of Denny's is not just a story about the success of socialism, but the ability to plant a new spring upon a bed of tragedy. Of how sweet food can be created for the benefit of all and not the just benefit of a privileged few.
     
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    Well, I'm back from a hiatus. How's everybody doing? Nice posts by the way, Wotan. Same with you, Bookmark. I really want chocolate now.


    As a connoisseur of beer, I wonder what alchohol culture will be like in ITTL's world? I'd imagine that the UASR would have an extremely strong microbrewing and craft beer culture, on par with OTL Germany. I'd also imagine that Porters, Stouts, and heavier beers in general will be favored in Red America, due to thier historical association with labor and the working man. Then again, it also depends on the time of year, and how cold it gets. A crisp Lager is often a preferred drink in the summer months, as opposed to a heavier imperial stout. Hell, I'm not even sure wine or champagne will be as popular in the Comintern due to its association with the bourgeois and nobility, though I'm sure that it will find its way into nicer restaurants.

    By contrast, I think that Germany's beer culture will be decimated by heavy handed FBU capitalism mixed with a right wing dominance of politics unless Bavaria is in East Germany. Seriously, HeifWeizen might be the equivalent of Coors or Budweiser ITTL. Kinda sad, as Germany does make great brews. But who knows? Maybe East Germany makes up for it.

    That's, however, not to say that craft brews won't exist in the Cappie Sphere. I'd imagine family owned and non familial microbreweries popping up in France, England, Scotland, and especially Ireland and Belgium. Hell, beer could be another front in the cultural aspect of the Cold War.

    Another plus is that Russia might get an incredibly strong beer culture ITTL, though I'd expect them to be heavier than the UASR due to the colder weather and well, sheer drinking power of Russia. Russian Imperials and Baltic Porters would probably be the status quo.

    I really want some skittlebrau now, damn this food addiction!
     
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    I dunno, figure the USAR will be bringing over new liquor ideas to Russia, so maybe a slight whiskey culture?

    Then again, King Vodka is hard to get out of Russia.
     
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    Nah, I think the rich, smooth taste of whiskey is gonna stick close to the Yanks. Comrade Commissar Vodka will reign supreme in the Rodina.

    To be honest I'm more interested in Beer than whiskey as the damage hard liquor like whiskey does to my family kinda depresses me.
     
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    Well, I'm honestly trying to figure out what alcohol can really be made in Russia with native agriculture.

    I mean, if we stick with potatoes, there's not really a lot of good options, or at least new options, given one drink's from Scandinavia, another's from Japan, a third one is from Ukraine, and one Irish drink.

    Does Russia have apples? Because hard cider might be a safe bet, freeze distilling is ideal in the temperatures, apples are common in Russia, and it's the traditional farmer's drink in the US.
     
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    Well, there's the Antonovka, but that's only really popular with wine. Not sure if it's ever been used in beer, but I think it's considered too acidic to be brewed.

    Actually, what might be popular in the summer months in Russia is Wheat Beer, but they would have a shorter season than most wheat breweries, so that might be a problem.

    Baltic Porters and Russian Imperials will still likely be the status quo.
     
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    And what else will change in Star Trek (in addition to the norms as Kirk and armor (although I would like to believe that you can do without it)? All the same, many things must be perceived differently.
     
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    I could speculate that, aside from more diversity, and higher episode budgets, it is mostly the same, because Star Trek is mostly utopian, and some have argued that it is a utopian Marxist society.

    I think Jello has some plans for it. If she wants to elaborate, (short of spoilers), that's fine.