Redesign the soviet VDV

Recently the Soviet / Russian VDV has gotten a lot of bad rep so it got me thinking how they could have been reconfigured post 1945

Some constants are
1 they should still be air transportable
2 same budget limits as in OTL
3 same events globally and in soviet military as OTL

Given this how would you change the equipment, doctrine and disposition of soviet VDV in the Cold War
 
Just improve them. Probably not much point in improving them when you have conventional army tanks and nuclear bombs to replace the VDV.
 
VDV did perform well tho? They took the airfield in enemy heartland right outside the capital and held it for a while. The failure was on conventional forces unable to reach them and relieve it. It’s like blaming 101 and 82nd airborne for defeat if D day failed to take the beaches and relieve them
 
Russian VDV were inherited from the Soviet Union, where they were supposed to conduct large scale airborne operations deep in enemy territory. They were also, from certain POV, a strategic equivalent of US Marines, as a relatively lightly armed, highly mobile (on strategic level) and highly trained force which could be quickly sent where they were needed. When Washington D.C. had a problem which required a large force operating far away from home, the answer often was: "Send the marines." Moscow OTOH, would send VDV.
In Afghanistan VDV had to fight a somewhat different kind of war than they were created for but being trained as aeromobile force and with training superior to a regular Soviet Army units they were an obvious choice.
The problem that the Russian VDV has is that except for first days the VDV is/was used as a regular infantry. It is mostly due to poor training of the majority of Russian mechanized infantry. There is also no chance for a serious airborne operation anymore, with Ukrainian anti air defense getting much stronger. But no airborne force is designed to fight an attrition war. IIRC a Russian airborne batalion has much less men than a mechanized infantry batalion, so the same number of lost soldiers would harm the latter, but cripple the former. And elite soldiers die from artillery just easily than simple grunts. Replacing them is harder though.
I also heard an opinion that Russian VDV are not as well trained as the Soviet airborne troops. That many Russian VDV officers got their position due to family connections so they could impress the others with their blue berets. And that VDV are simply decently trained soldiers, who are still superior to an average Russian soldier. However I can not verify that. VDV fought in some previous conflicts so they must have at least a number of hardened in battle veterans. It is possible that those veterans were concentrated in some crack units, which were poorly used (or did not receive support they needed) and were killed rather quickly.
Another problem is the famous corruption in the Russian Army which could seriously limit combat ability of the VDV. The equipment they had on paper might be not working ornot exist at all, officialy conducted exercises might have never happened etc.
In short: I am not sure if there was anything wrong with organization, training or equipment of the Soviet VDV. They seemed to be designed well enough for large landings during WW3. Not so well for an anti-guerilla warfare, but it was not what they were created for.
The Russian VDV seems to be, first of all, poorly used, at least in Ukraine. With time many of the supposedly elite soldiers were killed off and replaced by hastily trained recruits. And there is no chance for any air landing anymore.
 
Recently the Soviet / Russian VDV has gotten a lot of bad rep so it got me thinking how they could have been reconfigured post 1945

Some constants are
1 they should still be air transportable
2 same budget limits as in OTL
3 same events globally and in soviet military as OTL

Given this how would you change the equipment, doctrine and disposition of soviet VDV in the Cold War
The VDV armoured vehicles were excellent for bringing air droppable or air transportable firepower to an airborne assault. When they were used in a regular ground role the vehicles were too light, meaning they broke down from rough use and were not armoured as well as the gear motor rifle troops use. I believe in Afghanistan the VDV swapped out their equipment for regular army stuff. This seems like a practical solution to two different tactical situations. When you see wrecks of contemporary VDV vehicles you can tell the hulls were made of aluminum, because after burnout only the steel parts are left.
 
Recently the Soviet / Russian VDV has gotten a lot of bad rep so it got me thinking how they could have been reconfigured post 1945

Some constants are
1 they should still be air transportable
2 same budget limits as in OTL
3 same events globally and in soviet military as OTL

Given this how would you change the equipment, doctrine and disposition of soviet VDV in the Cold War
You cannot really change anything within declared constraints. Because Soviet VDV problem was always two fold:

Firstly, USSR never actually had airlift capacity to use even a fraction of the VDV force in a way that it was intended to be used.
Secondly, the whole concept of large scale contested airdrop into the enemy rear was impractical and cannot be realized whatever you do with it.

The sane choice was always to make VDV smaller, so the deployment of even fraction of it wouldn't require most of the airlift capacity of the VVS. But smaller VDV wouldn't have the pull and the influence to demand the development of specialized armored vehicles and therefore loose its only unique quality that justified its existence. Without airdroppable armor, VDV is just fancy light infantry like US Airborne divisions are.
 
So you take the Soviet VDV would have performed better against NATO ?
During the cold war definitely also they were specifically designed for behind the line drops where they'd mostly be fighting rear guard nato formations, holding till the main force pushed too them
 
What about pressing more of Aeroflot to carry the VDV at the start of hostilities?
Aeroflot flew ordinary passenger planes. So they could only land troops at seized airfields, which would be pretty iffy unless the PVO and Frontal Aviation had achieved air superiority. Which was unlikely. Also, troops landed by airliner would not need special parachute training.
 
I swear you never learn.

Before anyone answers let me ask you if anyone here is capable of identifying what the question really entails. OP certainly does not because the way he found his way to the question was "they are getting a bad rep" without actually analysing why they got the perception of a bad rep. He's going to try and come up with the dumbest answer possible which is "maybe they should have done it the way some other unit does it" without actually identifying what the unit needs to do in the first place and how it relates to the needs and challenges of their specific circumstance. And once you ask yourself that question you get really deep down into the guts at the point where AH really struggles because no one really has any idea of what that type of changes would entail and what the consequences (if any) of them would be.

*rant over*
 
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You'd have to fix the rampant corruption that riddles russian society first. Starting at the very top. Good luck with that.
 
Try asking this question, How to fix the Russian VDV, look at Ukraine and take some hints on how they paired down the airborne forces they inherited, at most Russia needed 3-4 VDV brigades, As in Soviet times one battalion per brigade should remain armoured with BMDs/APCs the other 3 battalions a mix of heli and para trained that can do each other's role.

This lowers the overall logistical need for a drop or deployment pair down the attached units to an artillery battalion aa battalion and associated logistics and engineering units.
 
Try asking this question, How to fix the Russian VDV, look at Ukraine and take some hints on how they paired down the airborne forces they inherited, at most Russia needed 3-4 VDV brigades, As in Soviet times one battalion per brigade should remain armoured with BMDs/APCs the other 3 battalions a mix of heli and para trained that can do each other's role.

This lowers the overall logistical need for a drop or deployment pair down the attached units to an artillery battalion aa battalion and associated logistics and engineering units.
That makes a lot of sense , it’s the logistical needs that seems to be the Achilles heel of these units.
 

How could the Soviet VDV been sent to Missossippilli (obviously not the US MI, but the Soviet Cultural Equivalent, Tajikistan?)
Like they were deployed in the post Cold War era ?
Another thought is Not sure how their NBC protection was and if they were ever intended to be used in a post nuclear battlefield in Soviet military doctrine as a kind of fire brigade force esp when mobility of most other units would be severely restricted. Like modern day hussars chase down and finish disorganized and defeated enemy on the run
 
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Aeroflot flew ordinary passenger planes. So they could only land troops at seized airfields, which would be pretty iffy unless the PVO and Frontal Aviation had achieved air superiority. Which was unlikely. Also, troops landed by airliner would not need special parachute training.
Good point, otherwise it looks like Tunisia all over again
Maybe the initial brigade can seize a particular airfield and the next couple brigades can be flown in ?
However any adversary with even a half way decent interceptors it’s a very risky proposition esp since soviet escort fighters be very short legged
My guess ( correct me if I’m wrong) is that VDV was not really meant to project power more than 200 or so mile into a near peer enemy territory.
 
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How could the Soviet VDV been sent to Missossippilli (obviously not the US MI, but the Soviet Cultural Equivalent, Tajikistan?)
I do not understand. They were Soviet troops and Tajikustan was part of the USSR. All of the Soviet Union was open to the Soviet Army. I guess VDV got there the same way US 101st Airborne Division got to Little Rock, although I suspect with a very different mission.
My guess ( correct me if I’m wrong) is that VDV was not really meant to project power more than 200 or so mile into a near peer enemy territory.
Exactly so. VDV main mission was WW3 in Western Europe. Airborne landing with a strategic surprise and Soviet fighters as escort to capture vital points and hold them for several days until the ground forces come. Just like most airborne forces of the world.
Other missions were secondary. And USSR was not very good at projecting power really far away from home. In their neighbourhood they were powerful. On other continents? Not so much.
 
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