red dawn the movie what do you think of it?

Paul Spring

The scenario is certainly wildly improbable, but I found it interesting when I finally saw it as an adult (never saw it when it first came out) that it portrayed the Soviets in pretty much the same way that I thought of them as a kid in the early 80s - utterly ruthless and wanting to completely destroy the USA. I particularly remember one line where the Cuban officer suggests to a Soviet officer that it might be a good idea to try and win "hearts and minds", and the Soviet officer replies that the Americans tried to do that in Vietnam, and they lost. IIRC, he goes on to say that the Americans are basically savages like the Afghans, and eventually we will have to kill them all. That's pretty much how I thought of the Soviet Union as a kid - the regular people weren't evil, but the leaders wanted to completely destroy the United States and everyone who lived there.
 

Fatewarns

Paul Spring said:
The scenario is certainly wildly improbable, but I found it interesting when I finally saw it as an adult (never saw it when it first came out) that it portrayed the Soviets in pretty much the same way that I thought of them as a kid in the early 80s - utterly ruthless and wanting to completely destroy the USA. I particularly remember one line where the Cuban officer suggests to a Soviet officer that it might be a good idea to try and win "hearts and minds", and the Soviet officer replies that the Americans tried to do that in Vietnam, and they lost. IIRC, he goes on to say that the Americans are basically savages like the Afghans, and eventually we will have to kill them all. That's pretty much how I thought of the Soviet Union as a kid - the regular people weren't evil, but the leaders wanted to completely destroy the United States and everyone who lived there.
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I think he was east german
 

Bulldawg85

Afghanistan

Don't forget that when the movie was made there were reports in the news that the Russians were dropping tiny mines shaped like toys from the air in Afghanistan so that the Afghani kids would pick them up.
 

Amerigo Vespucci

Ha! I didn't think this was the right crowd for that reference.

(Incidentally, that's a great idea -- Grand Theft Auto as alternate history.)
 

Grimm Reaper

I enjoyed the part where, having failed miserably, the party hack is forced to admit the need to bring in the professionals and the first thing the Soviet paratroop commander says is that the reprisals are stopping at once.

Not because he's necessarily a wonderful guy but because it simply isn't the professional and effective way to go about things.


Far more importantly, it starred Lea Thompson.
 

Fatewarns

Grimm Reaper said:
I enjoyed the part where, having failed miserably, the party hack is forced to admit the need to bring in the professionals and the first thing the Soviet paratroop commander says is that the reprisals are stopping at once.

Not because he's necessarily a wonderful guy but because it simply isn't the professional and effective way to go about things.
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Yeah, you know I know a lot of people who complain that the Russian or Commie bastard were all nothing more than one-note character, which I think is complete bull.
 

mattep74

The resistancegroup made of of teens with exellent markmanship outgun front line infantry after the guy wandered into down. Even manage to take out tanks with guns(execution scene)
 

Red Dawn

I didn't know this movie existed until now. :eek: I watched the trailer and must say this movie is just plain bullshit with all this "kill all commies"-stuff.

I deny my user name is based on this movie. Actually, my user name is based on a Weimar Republic poster for the Socialist German Party, where the text on the poster read something like "Rote Dämmerung" (= Red Dawn).

I repeat: my user name is not based on this movie.

I rest my case :D :cool:

EDIT: I got the poster on my pc somewhere if someone is interested.
 

Fatewarns

Red Dawn said:
I didn't know this movie existed until now. :eek: I watched the trailer and must say this movie is just plain bullshit with all this "kill all commies"-stuff.
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so your judging a movie base on the trailer? You know watching the actual movie! and not judging by what the studio wants to show you so you watch it can help!
 

rcduggan

I was rooting for the Russians the whole time... those kids would NOT go down.


it's funny, and has lots of guns and explosions. and paratroopers = awesome
 

Admiral Canaris

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Paul Spring said:
The scenario is certainly wildly improbable, but I found it interesting when I finally saw it as an adult (never saw it when it first came out) that it portrayed the Soviets in pretty much the same way that I thought of them as a kid in the early 80s - utterly ruthless and wanting to completely destroy the USA. I particularly remember one line where the Cuban officer suggests to a Soviet officer that it might be a good idea to try and win "hearts and minds", and the Soviet officer replies that the Americans tried to do that in Vietnam, and they lost. IIRC, he goes on to say that the Americans are basically savages like the Afghans, and eventually we will have to kill them all. That's pretty much how I thought of the Soviet Union as a kid - the regular people weren't evil, but the leaders wanted to completely destroy the United States and everyone who lived there.
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Um, why would that be the wrong thing to think? The Soviets certainly did their best to destroy the areas they conquered in the War, at least at first (then they had a Genghis-Khan-style revelation and realised dead peoples didn't pay taxes). As much as three million German civilians alone were killed, with sixteen million more driven from their homes*. To take another nationality, 25 % of the Lithuanians were killed during the war, hundreds of thousands deported to Siberia. In Poland, there were Resistance fighters left in the woods into the '60s. Finland didn't suffer quite the same degree of terror, since it was never fully occupied, but despite that my grandmother, who is from there, still can't stand even the word Russian. There are plenty of more examples from the time...

More recently, it was the same business of annihilation in Afghanistan; it still is in Chechnya, though the local quislings seem to have the sit there pretty much under control for the moment.

I might be biased, since I live fairly close (geographically speaking) to Russia and our neighbouring countries have a troubled history with the USSR, but I honestly can't see why its leadership (and at least part of its armed forces) should not be viewed as Evil Incarnate.

*While we're talking of Germany, we might also mention the interesting fact that Red Dawn was censored in the Federal Republic, since they felt it resembled the Soviet occupation of Germany after the War too much.
 
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