Of course he really should have used a PIAT, it wouldn't have given away his position
Rearm the British Infantry for WWII
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Glyndwr01
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The recoil would have stalled the plane!Of course he really should have used a PIAT, it wouldn't have given away his position
No, it would have rendered it motionless, perfect platform for a second shot.
More seriously, & going a bit far afield (maybe too far), was it possible for Britain to develop improved BP rockets? IDK what the state of the art was in '39, but AIUI, a solid booster with a hollow core that burns from the top (contrary to the practise at that time, which was burn from the bottom) produces more thrust (& may be more stable). This would benefit arty rockets--but I don't recall the B.A. using any...
BP has the problem of temperature sensitivity, cracking of grains and the biggest, being hygroscopic, some of the reasons why BP rockets had faded by the ACW.No, it would have rendered it motionless, perfect platform for a second shot.
More seriously, & going a bit far afield (maybe too far), was it possible for Britain to develop improved BP rockets? IDK what the state of the art was in '39, but AIUI, a solid booster with a hollow core that burns from the top (contrary to the practise at that time, which was burn from the bottom) produces more thrust (& may be more stable). This would benefit arty rockets--but I don't recall the B.A. using any...
All the chemicals needed for better solid fuel was around in the 1930s, but not till Caltech's 'Suicide Squad' including Frank Malina was better solids investigated for RATO around 1940
Glyndwr01
Banned
Prior to the war it was illegal for the public to experiment with rockets unlike other countries with a active rocket clubs.No, it would have rendered it motionless, perfect platform for a second shot.
More seriously, & going a bit far afield (maybe too far), was it possible for Britain to develop improved BP rockets? IDK what the state of the art was in '39, but AIUI, a solid booster with a hollow core that burns from the top (contrary to the practise at that time, which was burn from the bottom) produces more thrust (& may be more stable). This would benefit arty rockets--but I don't recall the B.A. using any...
I don't imagine this being a back yard effort (tho perhaps private venture).
I was using BP a bit loosely for "solid".
It's N the chem but the design at issue. It appears you mean nobody'd even considered it.
In ref training, one thing not touched on so far (that I've noticed) is joint training btw infantry & armor; AIUI, even in '42, they operated on separate doctrines
& didn't train together at all. That's dead easy to change prewar, with fairly enormous butterflies. Something akin to Wavell's changes for Eighth Army (IIRC) along with that could have produced a 1939 British Army very like Heer, & much more a match for it, even with otherwise mediocre OTL equipment.
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Jack Parsons.
Sex, drugs, rock and roll, satan worship, and TRIDENT. If there are Russians quaking in their boots (and there are, because Parsons is kind of the model for the American "rocketeer"), this was the guy who is why.
Can I suggest one of my pet ideas as a fix? A multibank, akin the Chrysler M57, using Hercules DFXEs (895ci each, already adapted for upright or lay-down, so only needs a common crankcase). Since it was used in the Diamond T 980, which the Brits bought OTL (but maybe not yet TTL...), supply of spares wouldn't be a big issue, either. The DFXE, however, was a diesel... That may lead to a preference for a Hall-Scott petrol engine (of 1100ci or so, IIRC).
That pretty much answers your question, doesn't it?FatherMaryland said:
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If I might ask a question....
Other than the Webley Pistol rounds, were there any other pistol rounds produced in large quantities in the UK in the mid-1930's?
I'm just noticing the default selection appears to have been the 9x19mm parabellum, so I'm just wondering if there was existing production which is why that is the selection? Or if it's more of a blank slate where the UK would have to setup new production line no matter what round was selected?
Thanks in advance gents.....
Other than the Webley Pistol rounds, were there any other pistol rounds produced in large quantities in the UK in the mid-1930's?
I'm just noticing the default selection appears to have been the 9x19mm parabellum, so I'm just wondering if there was existing production which is why that is the selection? Or if it's more of a blank slate where the UK would have to setup new production line no matter what round was selected?
Thanks in advance gents.....
iirc, no
the only s/a pistol cartridge adopted by the british military in large numbers before ww2 that i can find is .455 Webley Auto. but very few pistols were chambered for it (~10,000 Webley & Scott's, "some*" converted 1911's) and they had largely dropped the cartridge after ww1.
as well it looks like the brits decided on a .38 cal revolver post ww1, and as such did no work to develop a s/a pistol until ww2
* i can't find any good #'s for how many 1911's were chambered in the round
The following link show a cartridge display board showing 19 different calibres produced by ICI between the wars. Either late 20s or 30s; Kynoch merged with ICI in, I think '26.
www.reemandansie.com
Lot 802 - Rare 1920s/30s ICI cartridge display with
Lot 802 - Rare 1920s/30s ICI cartridge display with
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Because it is a little hard to read:The following link show a cartridge display board showing 19 different calibres produced by ICI between the wars. Either late 20s or 30s; Kynoch merged with ICI in, I think '26.
Lot 802 - Rare 1920s/30s ICI cartridge display with
Lot 802 - Rare 1920s/30s ICI cartridge display with
Revolver:
- .320
- .32 S and W
- .32 S and W Long
- .380
- .38 S and W
- .38 S and W Special
- .450
- .455 (British)
Automatic Pistol:
- 6-35 mm (.25")
- .30 Mauser
- 7-65 mm (.32")
- 7-65 mm Parabellum
- 9 mm Parabellum
- 9 mm
- .380 Hammerless
- .38
- .45
- .45 USA Government
- .455 Webley
Of all the choices, I would have recommended the .30 Mauser for Pistol and SMG use, not 9mm, 2nd choice would have been the 38 Super
Like Revolvers?
Use Moon clips. and then you have the WWI speedloader
But honestly, Pistols don't matter.
Rear area troops need Carbines.
The only people who really need a pistol, are aircrew. the rest is just status symbol
Like Revolvers?
Use Moon clips. and then you have the WWI speedloader
But honestly, Pistols don't matter.
Rear area troops need Carbines.
The only people who really need a pistol, are aircrew. the rest is just status symbol
Cryhavoc101
Donor
If the .30 cal 'Imperial' round can be made hotter like the Takorev version of the .30 Mauser (aka 7.63 x 25mm) as used in the PPSH and TT-30 pistol then that would be a perfect 'Machine Carbine' round.