Realistic CSA victory timeline

Blockade yes, invade no. Why invade? Why would the British knowingly walk into a bloodbath? Would you? In real life the Brits didn't bounce bullets off their chests and American riflemen could often hit what they were aiming at. When the body bags come back by the tens of thousands the Brits will give up.

They wouldn't, of course. For this improbable war to happen in the first place means the USA's already gone round the deep end, just like any Iran War scenario now IOTL, so.....
 
And when the CSA starts gaining through imports what the USA was closing off from it, like food and the like (as without the blockade there'll be more ships to ship things other than high-priced luxury goods)?


That's peanuts, whatever they make from cotton they will lose 10X over when the US siezes all the Britist property in the US it can lay its hands on and sell to the highest bidder AND cuts off food sales AND stops buying things from GB AND the London Stock Exchange crashes with the onset of the war which it would do to all the above AND has to pay for military operations.
 
I am a little tired of the TL that invovle peace due to Lincoln losing the election. Are there any ways for the CSA to force a peace and have Lincoln win a 2nd term?

No, if the US loses the war Lincoln WILL lose. His whole presidency is staked on that.
 
That's peanuts, whatever they make from cotton they will lose 10X over when the US siezes all the Britist property in the US it can lay its hands on and sell to the highest bidder AND cuts off food sales AND stops buying things from GB AND the London Stock Exchange crashes with the onset of the war which it would do to all the above AND has to pay for military operations.

Except that for this war to happen in the first place means someone in the USA went nuts, and requires Not-Lincoln as POTUS, so.......I mean the whole war is implausible in the first place, if the USA somehow provokes it, it's got to do something that really, really pisses off Whitehall..
 
No, if the US loses the war Lincoln WILL lose. His whole presidency is staked on that.
Well I meant more along the lines of having a Lincon win the election and then having the CSA pull off a victory winning move afterwards perhaps due to a POD that happened a while before the election but didn't take full affect until afterward like more CS wins in the eastern front.
 
I am a little tired of the TL that invovle peace due to Lincoln losing the election. Are there any ways for the CSA to force a peace and have Lincoln win a 2nd term?

Sure. Lincoln wins a second term, and the CSA manages to outlast his second term too. I was thinking of using this for a timeline, but it'd be a lot of work to pull off.
 
That's not going to happen, short of a miracle, without some major, major POD earlier in the war which would, in itself, probably cause Lincoln to lose the election anyway.

I know. That's why it'd take a lot of work. The plan was to rewrite the entire civil war into something that moves really slowly towards CSA defeat. And just kind of assume that Lincoln wins a second term under the idea of finishing the war.
 
That's not going to happen, short of a miracle, without some major, major POD earlier in the war which would, in itself, probably cause Lincoln to lose the election anyway.

I know. That's why it'd take a lot of work. The plan was to rewrite the entire civil war into something that moves really slowly towards CSA defeat. And just kind of assume that Lincoln wins a second term under the idea of finishing the war.
I'd like to do a longer ACW ATL too but need some help also since I know it would take alot of work. I started another thread earlier looking for help but nobody has posted anything yet. If you'd like to look at it and offer me some aid I'd really appreciate it.https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=230143

One POD that was suggested too me before was to have the Confederates win a few more victories in the west during 1864. The best that I can think of his haveing a CS victory at Spring Hill due to Cleburne convincing his supperiors to let him go after the fleeting Union troops instead of letting them escape. I hope that this might prevent the disaster at Franklin, keep Cleburne alive, and help the South win further battles in the west and have the success bleed over into Virginia.
 
I did a paper on this once. I concluded that if the CSA were able to:

1. Win the war (and not with the Union having taken over half the Deep South beforehand)
2. Sufficiently diversify its economy (it'd help if some of the border states joined)

it could be relatively successful. However, this is needless to say quite unlikely.
 
Well I meant more along the lines of having a Lincon win the election and then having the CSA pull off a victory winning move afterwards perhaps due to a POD that happened a while before the election but didn't take full affect until afterward like more CS wins in the eastern front.

If he wins then the CSA is doomed. The CSA can not possibly last 4 years after Atlanta falls or something of the like. Late 1864 is too late for a POD that results in a CSA victory.
 
That's not going to happen, short of a miracle, without some major, major POD earlier in the war which would, in itself, probably cause Lincoln to lose the election anyway.

Actually there's a really simple POD that just might do it: Spring Hill. Though this only delays the war, the CSA's too far gone by this point in time, Lee's doomed the moment spring sets in and as goes Lee, so goes the Confederacy.
 
I'd like to do a longer ACW ATL too but need some help also since I know it would take alot of work. I started another thread earlier looking for help but nobody has posted anything yet. If you'd like to look at it and offer me some aid I'd really appreciate it.https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=230143

One POD that was suggested too me before was to have the Confederates win a few more victories in the west during 1864. The best that I can think of his haveing a CS victory at Spring Hill due to Cleburne convincing his supperiors to let him go after the fleeting Union troops instead of letting them escape. I hope that this might prevent the disaster at Franklin, keep Cleburne alive, and help the South win further battles in the west and have the success bleed over into Virginia.

More accurately it will lead to a different version of the Battle of Nashville, due to the kind of high casualties Hood's battles meant as a matter of course but the impact there will be delayed, take a while, and give the CSA an ego boost more thorough than the First Battle of Fort Fisher did.
 
More accurately it will lead to a different version of the Battle of Nashville, due to the kind of high casualties Hood's battles meant as a matter of course but the impact there will be delayed, take a while, and give the CSA an ego boost more thorough than the First Battle of Fort Fisher did.
How would Nashville be different perhaps? Do you have any suggestions on how I could manipulate this into a Confederate victory? Preferably while still keeping Lincoln in the White House as well since I think he'd be the best at keeping the North and South on good terms after the war and set the Union in the direction I want it to do.
 
How would Nashville be different perhaps? Do you have any suggestions on how I could manipulate this into a Confederate victory? Preferably while still keeping Lincoln in the White House as well since I think he'd be the best at keeping the North and South on good terms after the war and set the Union in the direction I want it to do.

No, it's damn near impossible to make Hood win against Thomas. He had repeated shots at this and he lost every single time. Winning Spring Hill, however, will make Nashville the second stage in a campaign as opposed to a decisive battle in itself.
 
No, it's damn near impossible to make Hood win against Thomas. He had repeated shots at this and he lost every single time. Winning Spring Hill, however, will make Nashville the second stage in a campaign as opposed to a decisive battle in itself.
Okay then, but I meant how could I turn it into a victory for the CSA itself, but while the subject is up what would be the additional parts of the Campaign if Spring Hill was made a victory? Also if Johnston was to meet some sort of *accident*;) who would be the next in line to take his place?
 
Okay then, but I meant how could I turn it into a victory for the CSA itself, but while the subject is up what would be the additional parts of the Campaign if Spring Hill was made a victory? Also if Johnston was to meet some sort of *accident*;) who would be the next in line to take his place?

It would take 2-3 battles to wipe out Hood instead of one single battle, because Thomas has relatively fewer troops to fight with. If Johnston dies then it'd be someone like Bragg, probably. Never underestimate Jefferson Davis's tendencies to cronyism.
 
It would take 2-3 battles to wipe out Hood instead of one single battle, because Thomas has relatively fewer troops to fight with. If Johnston dies then it'd be someone like Bragg, probably. Never underestimate Jefferson Davis's tendencies to cronyism.
Damn it! I really wanted to keep Cleburne alive at the least. Any ideas what other PODs I could look out for to give the CSA a victory. I know its a tall order to ask for one late in the war but I was hoping that by doing so the war would last longer and many of the developments in warfare would still be around for other countries to study later(such as Sherman's March). Plus any idea who else could be chosen besides Bragg or even after him.
 
Okay then, but I meant how could I turn it into a victory for the CSA itself, but while the subject is up what would be the additional parts of the Campaign if Spring Hill was made a victory? Also if Johnston was to meet some sort of *accident*;) who would be the next in line to take his place?

1864 is too late for that. If Lincoln wins the North will eventually win. The CSA lost too many men and territory while its economy is a basketcase. Even with a Litttle Mac victory in 1864 I would only give the CSA two years tops. It no longer has a decent manpool to draw new soldiers from while the US does. Even that is stretching it. By late 1864 the CSA had virtually no one left except old men and young boys to draw any replacements from. Even if Little Mac wins Sherman is still going to destroy CSA railroads which means that Lee can last, at most, until Sherman comes up from behind to destroy him. When Sherman comes in through NC Lee has no supply line at all. After that it is a mere question of time.
 
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