Rampolla becomes Pope

Glen

Moderator
Tom_B said:
In TTL President Hughes made General Lenore Wood the head of the AEF instead of Pershing. In 1924 Gen, Wood is nominated by the Republicans as their candidate with Calvin Coolidge as the VP. The Democratic convention nominates former treasury secretary William McAdoo. There is pronounced animosity between Catholics and Southerners at the convention.

Wood wins the election easily. He is not a good President, being dominated by Lodge. Gradually the Catholics who had abandoned the Democrats are having second thoughts.

Back in the Vatican, Pope Leo has rejected calls to abolish Clement's vary minor liturgical changes. He also rejects the notion that Gregorian Chant is the only proper music during Mass. He is not particularly interested in changing the liturgy but the 1925 Missal vernaculatizes the reading of the Epistle.

Meanwhile the schism created by Archbishop Delacroix has turned out to be rather small. The only prelates to join him are 2 auxiliary bishops, one in SPain and the other in Italy. Fr. DuPre visits Delacroix and is shocked by Delacroix's intense hatred of the United States.

The animoisty between Mussolini and Pope Leo increase and when the Pope dies in 1926 it is widely rumored that Il Duce had him poisoned.

Hmmm...no Lateran Treaties here, eh?

I wonder who will replace him, and what is going to happen when it hits the fan in the depression. This League supposedly has more teeth, yes? But still no USA in it....

I still can see a depression and still can see Hitler arising. However, what will be the response when he starts monkeying around with the map of Europe? What will the League try to do, and what will the Powers do about that?
 
The League with more teeth was proposed with less vigor than Wilson's version and so it never got started. Also the Bad relationship between Hughes and Clemenceau did not help. So there is no league of Nations though it periodically gets discussed.

As for the next Pope I know who it is going to be. I am still trying to work out how bad General Wood will be as President (ike was not that bad).
 

Glen

Moderator
Tom_B said:
The League with more teeth was proposed with less vigor than Wilson's version and so it never got started. Also the Bad relationship between Hughes and Clemenceau did not help. So there is no league of Nations though it periodically gets discussed.

Ooops, forgot that....

So, what does that mean for the Sweden/Finland dispute?

As for the next Pope I know who it is going to be. I am still trying to work out how bad General Wood will be as President (ike was not that bad).

I think luke warm.
 
Also, he died in 1927; checked when taking that space flight challenge. If he tones down his rhetoric about preparedness he'd be fine, but the people were still too tired of war to want to talk military preparedness a whole lot. What he needs to do is promise to streamline the military and ensure that the U.S. not have to fight more wars. maybe emphasize the Coast Guard more. And, who knows, maybe look into Robert Goddard's ideas.

His V.P. needs to be chosen carefully since he died in 1927, and could die earlier here witht he added stress.
 
DTF955Baseballfan said:
Also, he died in 1927; checked when taking that space flight challenge. If he tones down his rhetoric about preparedness he'd be fine, but the people were still too tired of war to want to talk military preparedness a whole lot. What he needs to do is promise to streamline the military and ensure that the U.S. not have to fight more wars. maybe emphasize the Coast Guard more. And, who knows, maybe look into Robert Goddard's ideas.

His V.P. needs to be chosen carefully since he died in 1927, and could die earlier here witht he added stress.

He also was a bit of a Red Scare fanatic worrying about immigrant agitators. I see civil liberties getting frayed a bit though not into dystopia. I am toying with him raising tariffs early and maybe advancing the Depression.

Coolidge is the VP so there is a sort of convergence with him becoming President via succession.
 
Pope Pius X and President Coolidge

In 1923 a young American priest named Fulton J. Sheen is attending the University of Louvain where he earns a doctorate in philosophy (it OTL he bacame the first American to earn the Cardinal Mercier Award for best philosophical treatise). He comes to the attention of Pope Leo and is invited to Rome. There comes under the influence of Msgnr Sigounrey Fay and part of the Pope's inner cicle. Pope Leo is disappointed with the current crop of American prelates but is impressed with Sheen as well as Fay.

Ireland has diverged somewhat in TTL on account of Pope Innocent (Gibbons) and President Hughes meddling in Ireland. And Fr. Far as well. Under his influence Shane Leslie gives up the Redmondite ghost and becomes part of Michael Collins' inner circle. On account of this and other butterflies Collins is not killed and the Free State prevails in the Irish Civil War.

In early 1926 Pope Leo XIV dies. In the ensuing conclave the Antimodernist hardliners faction is only 10 cardinals. The long feared schism has occurred but the Society of One Truth looks like it will not be very big, esp. outside France. Its leader, Archbishop Delacroix makes some very extreme conspiracy theory statements about Freemasons running the Vatican allowing the "smoke of Satan" to enter the Church.

So the Italian cardinals are less divided this time around and they still very much want to reclaim the Papacy. They therefore rally around the 67 year old Secretary of State, Pietro Cardinal Maffi (an obscure historical in OTL he was head of the Vatican observatory for a while. He was criticized by OTL Pius X for a few things incl. allowing too much open discussion in a newspaper he ran).. In TTL he is the only surviving member of Pope Innocent's nortorious Gang of Four. The curialists support Maffi because he has made it clear he firmly supports the policy of "another council eventually but not right now". This a brief conclave. In a surprise he picks the name of Pius as a small bone thrown to the Antimodernists who view Pius IX with his Syllabus of Errors as the last good pope. As another cone Pope Pius picks Pietro Cardinal Gaspari, considered part of the InBetweeners as his own secretary of state.

The biggest change between Pope Pius and Pope Leo XIV (Mercier) is that he is less confrontational towards Mussolini. They embark on a policy of "constructive engagement". This will lead to the signing of the Lateran Treaty in 1929.

In TTL F. Scott Fitzgerald is having trouble with Zelda, but for very different reasons than OTL. While he is less friendly with Hemingway, Zelda has grown tired --very tired--of Scott's Catholicism and the fact he gave up drinking in 1922 at the recommendation of Fr. Fay. In ealy 1926 she jumps of a 100' cliff and perishes. This causes Fitzgerld to temporarily lose his faith when he was almost done with his adoring biography of Gibbons, The Last Innocent. With the help of Fr. Fay he returns to his faith even stronger and enters a seminary in the spring of 1927.

Pope Pius X is fond of Fr. Fay and in a Feb 1927 consistory makes him a cardinal priest. Cardinal Fay dominates the Liturgical Reform Commission which now includes yound Fr. Sheen. The commission has for a long time been sharply divided. Fay is strongly in favor of vernacularization but rather cool towards other suggested changes like bringing back the Prayer of the Faithful. If he could Cardinal Fay would vernacularize the entire Mass but he realizes that it is too soon to go that far. In June of 1927 he armtwists the Commission into recommending that the beginning of the Mass be vernacularized up to the Nicene Creed with the congregation responding like the acolytes. While Pope Pius is somewhat more enthusiastic about liturgical reform than Pope Leo, he initially wonders if the Commission and Fay have gone too far.

Unlike Innocent and Leo, Pius has given up on telling Fay to watch is weight which now increases each month. In Dec 1927 Sigourney Cardinal Fay dies of multiple causes, inc;. complication of diabetes. As a sort of memorial to Cardinal Fay the Missal of 1928 includes his recommended changes. In that year the communion fast is also reduced.

Meanwhile in the United States a Canadian priest moves to Detroit and begins giving radio broadcasts which touch on social issues as much as spiritual ones. His name is Charles Coughlin.

Also in America. President Leonard Wood had run on a preparedness platform. He intends to build up American military strength but how to pay for it? Being a Republican he would not dream of running up a deficit so he decides substantial tariff increases are need. In May 1926 Congress approves increased tariffs, which are increased still more in March 1927. This spawns a wave of global retaliation and the stifling of trade starts to reduce some copororate profits in late 1927.

After President Wood dies in Jul 1927 (a month earlier than OTL) Coolidge is sworn in. He does not immediately change any of Wood's policies though he does want to prune the military expeditures a bit.

In April 1928 a spate of disappointing corporate earnings reports begins a series of corrections to the stock market which in May become a full fledged crash.
 
I was wondering how things are going with reparations and war debts in Europe? Did you still have occupation of the Rhur, hyperinflation, etc.?
 
I was wondering how things are going with reparations and war debts in Europe? Did you still have occupation of the Rhur, hyperinflation, etc.?

I need to work those out as well as the lack of a League of Nations. I contemplated the possibility that due to Hughes not getting along with Clemenceau German reparations were a little lower than OTL Versailles.
 
I need to work those out as well as the lack of a League of Nations. I contemplated the possibility that due to Hughes not getting along with Clemenceau German reparations were a little lower than OTL Versailles.

If you do this, then you'd have to include concessions by the US on war debts. They were two sides of the same coin...
 
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