Ramifications of no WWI

You have no Israel due to the Brits not getting their mitts on Palestine after the Ottomans lost control of the area. I do not know if Arab nationalism will develop or not under Ottoman rule.
 
Is there the possibility for any country going red without the world war?

Democratic socialism would probably have retained its Marxist links, and several countries would have gone socialist. But Marxist-Leninism would probably not have arisen, and absent war, I don't know that many revolutionary socialist regime would take power violently.
 
However, without World War II
Why do you believe Germany & France wouldn't find another excuse to fight? Or that the U.S. wouldn't become involved? Moreover, what makes you think the Japanese would be any less stupid in China?
the US sees further incredible ramifications: without the entrance of Black soldiers in the war, the seeds are not sown for renewed perceptions of racial equality, resulting in an absent (or at least severely muted and therefore mainly ineffectual) Civil Rights movement.
What leads you to this conclusion? Do you genuinely believe there had been no effort on civil rights before WW2? And no movement? Agreed, it would not have been the dramatic movement. It was, I suggest, less the black veterans than the Holocaust, which made both anti-Semetism & racism much less okay...
Without the "Rosie the Riveter" phenomenon (women taking domestic jobs previously reserved for men), the Feminist movement is stillborn, or at least kept in permanent infancy.
Again, why? Have you forgotten Stanton? Mott? The birth control clinics? Hell, Mae West. It wouldn't be the same feminism, but "permanent infancy"? Don't bet on it.
J.R.R. Tolkien would not have had occasion
or opportunity to conceive his new mythology
Why not? Does he suddenly become less creative? Less imaginative? I repeat, different does not mean gone.

OTOH, all the millions not killed mean any number of great novels & other works of art would be made that weren't. How many bestsellers? How many great films? How many great songs?

It does probably mean All Quiet on the Western Front never happens, nor "The Dawn Patrol", nor the Kirk Douglas movie about the French officer, & "The Big Red One" would have to be rewritten.:rolleyes: It could also bugger Eli Cross' epic.:rolleyes::p It may mean nobody's ever heard of Manfred von Richthofen, Roy Brown, William Barker, William Bishop, Stan Dallas, or Lanoe Hawker, to name just a few. It probably means Snoopy's doghouse has fewer bullet holes in it.:p Nor are there two songs about him & WW1, which could butterfly the career of The Royal Guardsmen.:eek:
Religion and Art definitely remain more optimistic, didn't see that side of it at all at first. Kudos. No Bauhaus movement
I never thought of it, either.:eek: No Bauhaus means the plague of steel & glass towers in the U.S. never happens.:cool:

OTOH, without the massacres of WW1, war in Europe may be more likely. OTGH, when it does happen (in the '20s?), it's likely to look much like OTL WW1 anyhow.:rolleyes: The proximate causes may differ, but the technological drivers (aircraft, HE, fast-firing arty) mean there's going to be trench stalemate & massacre, unless you get somebody really, really smart, & influential, who gets something like a tank (or 6x6 armored car) in service. It's likely to be French, seeing France had the largest & most sophisticated auto industry at the time.
In a world without WW-I, we had same Volstead act and proibition?
Maybe it happens. I'd bet the pressure to pass Volstead is a lot less. (One tidbit: without WW1, the habit of wearing wristwatches doesn't arise. They were issued by armies as necessary...)
And without WW-I had the crash market of 1929 and the great depression?
That happens anyhow. The upward spiral & the lunacy had nothing to do with WW1.
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Never happens. (I'm embarassed to say I never thought of it.:eek::eek:)
Japan would not have grown so fast as OTL between 1914-8 and would not have been able to afford such a large fleet. However, there would not have been such serious recessions in the 20s.
Presuming other causes don't lead to WW1 by another route, the pacifist sentiment is much weaker, which means the naval limitation treaties probably don't happen. (At a minimum, not when they did.) This likely means Japan doesn't get in a snit about the 10:10:7 ratio. This discourages Japan from war with Britain & the U.S. Lack of debt from WW1 also means Britain is less inclined to break the Anglo-Japanese treaty at U.S. insistence, which keeps Japan away from any *Nazi regime. (Britain might be able to persuade her not to attack China, too, but that requires a leash on the officers of the Kwantung Army, which appears unlikely.:rolleyes:) A naval building race will beggar both Japan & Britain as the U.S. outbuilds them both. This building program means unemployment is dramatically reduced much sooner...:rolleyes:
 
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As WWI was a major cut in artistic development we might see a world were Art Noveau, Art Deco, New Realism and their offspring dominate, while modern/abstract art remains largely obscure.

Also the many esoteric pre-green movements like Theosophy, Antrophosophy, Lebensreform,... might continue to flourish, leading to an earlier ecological/hippie/1968 style movement.

And the much larger european emmigration to Africa (less war deads and unstatisfied desire for adventure among younger men)
 
President Coolidge deals with a minor recession in 1929-1930 that gives the Socialists control of the House, though they lose it once again when Coolidge is re-elected in 1932
LOL. How do you explain away the enormous speculation in the stock market? The Federal Reserve's making money so cheap it was more profitable to speculate than loan it? The widespread belief the market could only continue to rise? With those still in play, it's not "a minor recession", ever.
If anything, the world will be much more multipolar, and in most countries the elite will have to speak English, German, Russian and French.
Without Communist Russia, which means Chiang wins, I suspect the choices are more likely to be French, English, German, & Cantonese.
Therefore, to continue, obviously no Cold War, no Korea, Vietnam and all the other brushfire wars that made the 20th Century so bloody. Possibly (actually very probably) therefore no need for USA to come out of splendid isolation...no need for the British Empire to fall to pieces, or for the German or Hapsburg Austrian Empire to fall either...now, there's a different world map for you...:)
I'd overlooked that, too.:eek::eek: Which means, for a start, Oliver Stone is a nobody, "Platoon", "Full Metal Jacket", "The Green Berets", & the plague of "Rambo" & "Missing in Action" sequels don't get made, nor "China Beach" & "Tour of Duty". Nor "M*A*S*H".:(:( "Apocalypse Now" maybe stays more faithful to the book. Doc Savage, Alan Quartermain, & Jon Sable:cool::cool: are more popular.;) "Billy, Don't be a Hero" is never recorded, so nobody wonders why the Heywoods have never heard of radios.:rolleyes: "Billy Jack" has a less pissed-off hero.:p "Electra Glide in Blue" never happens.:cool::cool: Howard Hunter is revealled to be just plain nutty.:p Thomas Magnum doesn't drive a Ferrari or get flown around in a 500, but lives in a trailer on Waimea Bay or somewhere.:p
 
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LOL. How do you explain away the enormous speculation in the stock market? The Federal Reserve's making money so cheap it was more profitable to speculate than loan it? The widespread belief the market could only continue to rise? With those still in play, it's not "a minor recession", ever.

After some theories the fed print so much money to support the british pound. The Brits went back on the Gold standard with the prewar condition. But during the war the empire printed more money to pay for the war. So after the war the pound came unter pressure. This all will not happened without WW1.
 
Also the many esoteric pre-green movements like Theosophy, Antrophosophy, Lebensreform,... might continue to flourish, leading to an earlier ecological/hippie/1968 style movement.

And the much larger european emmigration to Africa (less war deads and unstatisfied desire for adventure among younger men)

Mmh i was think along similar lines. Some of those did continue to flourish, especially Antrophospohy (The greater Oslo metro area has at least 3 Steiner schools, as well as one church).

I have this picture of a Biodynamic farming community in German west Africa ano 1932.

The alternative movements probably wont be as militarised as in otl at least.
 
I'd overlooked that, too.:eek::eek: Which means, for a start, Oliver Stone is a nobody, "Platoon", "Full Metal Jacket", "The Green Berets", & the plague of "Rambo" & "Missing in Action" sequels don't get made, nor "China Beach" & "Tour of Duty". Nor "M*A*S*H".:(:( "Apocalypse Now" maybe stays more faithful to the book. Doc Savage, Alan Quartermain, & Jon Sable:cool::cool: are more popular.;) "Billy, Don't be a Hero" is never recorded, so nobody wonders why the Heywoods have never heard of radios.:rolleyes: "Billy Jack" has a less pissed-off hero.:p "Electra Glide in Blue" never happens.:cool::cool: Howard Hunter is revealled to be just plain nutty.:p Thomas Magnum doesn't drive a Ferrari or get flown around in a 500, but lives in a trailer on Waimea Bay or somewhere.:p

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The problem is that avoiding WWI is rather hard to do. Sure, Archduke Ferdinand might survive Sarajevo, but you've still got a large arms race and buildup of armies of millions with full expectation to *use* the fancy tools of death (where the USA and USSR didn't hope to use theirs). The Alliance system and the German mobilization plans mean any alternate crisis that triggers a general war will still turn into a general war.
 
The problem is that avoiding WWI is rather hard to do. Sure, Archduke Ferdinand might survive Sarajevo, but you've still got a large arms race and buildup of armies of millions with full expectation to *use* the fancy tools of death (where the USA and USSR didn't hope to use theirs). The Alliance system and the German mobilization plans mean any alternate crisis that triggers a general war will still turn into a general war.

I agree that a war in Eastern or Central Europe would be hard to forestall indefinitely, but I think that there were or might have been prospects for escalating relatively minor controversies into regional wars that could have forestalled a world war from ever occurring.
 
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