Ramifications of No Reagan Revolution?

I asked this question in an earlier thread, but I didn't get any juicy answers. What types of political, economic, social and cultural effects do you picture arising if Reagan never became President, nor did a conservative with similar views replace him?
 
I'm thinking that the Christian right isn't as strong ITTL as it is OTL. The long term consequences in my opinion is a more progressive US over all.
 
I'm thinking that the Christian right isn't as strong ITTL as it is OTL. The long term consequences in my opinion is a more progressive US over all.
A rightward realignment would still happen at some point, if not in the 1980s, the 1990s or at the latest the 2000s. I do agree however that the religious right will be weaker, so the country will be more liberal socially. Economically and withe regards to defense however, it will still go rightward.
 
A rightward realignment would still happen at some point, if not in the 1980s, the 1990s or at the latest the 2000s. I do agree however that the religious right will be weaker, so the country will be more liberal socially. Economically and withe regards to defense however, it will still go rightward.

If you had to compare the hypothetical ATL 1980s America to another period in our OTL history, which period would it be?
 
So, perhaps the Christian Right is seen as a fringe lunatic group?
Not necessarily seen as lunatics, but definitely more irrelevant.
A rightward realignment would still happen at some point, if not in the 1980s, the 1990s or at the latest the 2000s. I do agree however that the religious right will be weaker, so the country will be more liberal socially. Economically and withe regards to defense however, it will still go rightward.
True. I'm not sure what we will have accomplished ITTL that is different socially then OTL, or who will spearhead the later rightwing movement.
 
If you had to compare the hypothetical ATL 1980s America to another period in our OTL history, which period would it be?
It depends on who's President in the 1980s. If a democrat is in there, the '90s as I can't see a successful Democrat governing to liberally. If a republican, a less socially conservative and just overall watered down version of OTL 1980s.
 
It depends on who's President in the 1980s. If a democrat is in there, the '90s as I can't see a successful Democrat governing to liberally. If a republican, a less socially conservative and just overall watered down version of OTL 1980s.

Let's assume that a fiscal conservative, but social moderate wins in 1980. Perhaps these could be their social policies:

* Supports gay marriage, but leaves it up to individual organizations if they want to allow it or not. For example, if a liberal Episcopalian Church wants to practice it, they may, but if a more conservative Baptist Church does not want to, they don't have to.

* De-criminalization of marijuana and perhaps some other drugs.
** Rehab instead of prison

* Mass-closing of many prisons.

* Acts quickly in regards to AIDS crisis.

* Allows flag-burning.

* Lets prostitution be legal
 
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Let's assume that a fiscal conservative, but social moderate wins in 1980. Perhaps these could be their social policies:

* Supports gay marriage, but leaves it up to individual organizations if they want to allow it or not. For example, if a liberal Episcopalian Church wants to practice it, they may, but if a more conservative Baptist Church does not want to, they don't have to.

* De-criminalization of marijuana and perhaps some other drugs.
** Rehab instead of prison

* Mass-closing of many prisons.

* Acts quickly in regards to AIDS crisis.

* Allows flag-burning.
The three most likely candidates that I see winning for the Republicans in 1980 are George H.W. Bush, John Anderson, and Gerald Ford.
 
Let's assume that a fiscal conservative, but social moderate wins in 1980. Perhaps these could be their social policies:

* Supports gay marriage, but leaves it up to individual organizations if they want to allow it or not. For example, if a liberal Episcopalian Church wants to practice it, they may, but if a more conservative Baptist Church does not want to, they don't have to.

* De-criminalization of marijuana and perhaps some other drugs.
** Rehab instead of prison

* Mass-closing of many prisons.

* Acts quickly in regards to AIDS crisis.

* Allows flag-burning.

* Lets prostitution be legal

You are massively underestimating what a shift to the left this country has taken in the last 15 years. GLBT's were "invisible people" outside of liberal metropolitan centers like San Francisco, Los Angeles, Miami, and New York. Gay marriage doesnt have a prayer of being allowed in the 1980s. Bill Clinton was strong-armed into signing the defense of marriage act in the 90s. THe country has changed a lot in 35 years. As to drugs and prisons, the US was in the midst of a major crime wave, some of which had nothing to do with drugs. Soft on crime was the easiest way to lose an election. Willie Horton anyone?

I'm thinking that the Christian right isn't as strong ITTL as it is OTL. The long term consequences in my opinion is a more progressive US over all.

I think the Christian right gets pretty strong regardless. First the Christian right wasnt nearly that influential under Reagan. It wasnt until Bush and then really with Clinton that they became so powerful. A lot of their influence was the reactionary move from the culture wars of the 60s and 70s. Unless you nerf the women's rights, civil rights, and various other social movements, the Christian right is likely to emerge as a force.
 
Without Reagan, would a lot of the action films of the Eighties still be made, or would moviegoers tastes be drastically different?
 
Let's assume that a fiscal conservative, but social moderate wins in 1980. Perhaps these could be their social policies:

* Supports gay marriage, but leaves it up to individual organizations if they want to allow it or not. For example, if a liberal Episcopalian Church wants to practice it, they may, but if a more conservative Baptist Church does not want to, they don't have to.

* De-criminalization of marijuana and perhaps some other drugs.
** Rehab instead of prison

* Mass-closing of many prisons.

* Acts quickly in regards to AIDS crisis.

* Allows flag-burning.

* Lets prostitution be legal
Actually Most historians have concluded that even if reagan did talk about AIDS, It would not have done anything to it's overall effect.

I would say the opposite, the war on drugs would be more Rehab, but the war on drugs would definetly still exist. I could actually see row v. wade being repealled fast and the cold war would still exist
 
The Republican party remains the party of Eisenhower, the radical and extreme elements are still there but not allowed anywhere near the reigns of power.
 
The Republican party remains the party of Eisenhower, the radical and extreme elements are still there but not allowed anywhere near the reigns of power.

Rush Limbaugh and then Fox News have done a lot more to radicalize the party than Reagan ever did, to say nothing of Breitbart and the various internet sites. Before those cam along it was easy to stifle them. But Limbaugh and Fox gave the crazies a voice. Reagan doesnt change that at all.
 
Rush Limbaugh and then Fox News have done a lot more to radicalize the party than Reagan ever did, to say nothing of Breitbart and the various internet sites. Before those cam along it was easy to stifle them. But Limbaugh and Fox gave the crazies a voice. Reagan doesnt change that at all.
Reagan got rid of the fairness doctrine, which allowed those media outlets to do their thing,Reagan also embraced and legitimized the crazy wing of the Republican party in order to beat John Anderson in the primaries.
 
A much lower nation debt as deficit spending is not normalized. Republicans would oppose Reagan style amnesty for illegal aliens. The Warsaw pact and Soviet Union may last a little bit longer.
 
to get to your 'no Reagan revolution' POD though, there has to be some other PODs leading up to it. The whole lurch to the right/GOP tidal wave in the 80s happened mainly because of the things that happened in the 70s... a real sense that the US was declining, the world was out to get us, humiliation overseas... if we still have Carter, a hostage crisis, and an oil embargo, it gets a lot harder to avoid the steps to the right the nation took...
 
Well, let's assume that these effects all come into power somehow. Can someone try to do a detailed analysis on the resulting ATL 1980s politically, economically, socially, culturally , etc?
 
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