Qustion: Baden-Bavaria how likely?

Valdemar II

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A year or two ago someone mentioned that Bavarian annextion of Baden was possible after the death of Greand Duke Karl Ludwig Friedrich in 1818, how likely would this annextion be?
 

Susano

Banned
All of Baden? No. North Baden, that is, the former Palatinate right of the Rhine (plus some more territory). Bavaria had a historical claim on it (not even that historical, it only lost it 1803, after all!), and it woudl create a land brigde bwteen the Bavarian main territory and Palatinate. And when in 1818 a cadinet branch from a morganatic marriage took over Baden, Bavaria wanted to contest its rule. It didnt want all of Baden, it had no claim to that, after all, but its justifcation was that it had a stronger claim to North Bade than a morganatic branch. Nothing really came out of it, though. I guess it was too early after the Vienna Congress, but Im not actually sure of the details...
 

Valdemar II

Banned
All of Baden? No. North Baden, that is, the former Palatinate right of the Rhine (plus some more territory). Bavaria had a historical claim on it (not even that historical, it only lost it 1803, after all!), and it woudl create a land brigde bwteen the Bavarian main territory and Palatinate. And when in 1818 a cadinet branch from a morganatic marriage took over Baden, Bavaria wanted to contest its rule. It didnt want all of Baden, it had no claim to that, after all, but its justifcation was that it had a stronger claim to North Bade than a morganatic branch. Nothing really came out of it, though. I guess it was too early after the Vienna Congress, but Im not actually sure of the details...

Something I found on it.

Wikipedia

Wikipedia said:
By 1817, the descendants of Karl Friedrich by his first wife were dying out. To prevent Baden from being inherited by the next heir (and brother-in-law), King Maximilian I of Bavaria, the reigning Grand Duke, Karl, (the 1st Grand Duke's grandson) changed the succession law to give the Hochberg family full dynastic rights in Baden. They thus became Princes and Princesses of Baden with the style of Grand Ducal Highness, like their elder half-siblings. Their succession rights were reinforced when Baden was granted a constitution in 1818, and recognised by Bavaria and the Great Powers in the Treaty of Frankfurt, 1819. Leopold, the eldest son of the second marriage, succeeded as Grand Duke in 1830.

So if we kill Leopold of before Karl Ludwig Friedrich would we see Baden-Bavaria, or would the great powers have stopped it?
 
It's not clear to me they'd want to; given the goal of propping up medium powers along France's borders. OTOH, Bavaria was pro-Bonapartist...

Huge butterflies in 1848 of course.
 

Valdemar II

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It's not clear to me they'd want to; given the goal of propping up medium powers along France's borders. OTOH, Bavaria was pro-Bonapartist....

Good points, but would the Wittelsbach have stayed pro-French as a major French Neighbour? While the French had little interest in Baden, Pfalz lay on the Rhineside which the French was interested in, and it has grown a lot more important with land brigde between Franconia and Pfalz.

Huge butterflies in 1848 of course.

I think the butterflies begins earlier, with the Swiss Civil War, with a Swiss-Bavarian border, where the Bavarian will likely, ironic enough, support the Protestants against the Austrian backed Catholics. This will create a quite different dynamic in Germany, where the new Bavarian-Austrian rivalty will grow more important, and likely handicap the Austrian influence on the minor German states.
 

Susano

Banned
Gah, I didnt know that family relationship! I was going off memory. Still, Bavaria was mostly interested in North Baden, the historical east Palatinate and a land bridge to the Palatinate in the post-1815 borders. Now I see of course why they thought they had a better claim, of course. Of course, I dont think the great powers will like any changes to the Vienna order much, though.
 
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