Questions regarding a Female Pope

How would she pick a papal name? What are some good choices?

How could this come about? I know the code of canon law says, "Only a baptized man (Latin: vir) validly receives sacred ordination." However, I think some have taken this to mean that women only cannot validly be ordained as deacons? Could that be a work around?

Thoughts and suggestions please!
 

samcster94

Banned
Joan always works, as there is a conspiracy theory OTL around the name(no actual Pope Joan existed). One loophole would be a POD early enough(and allows nuns to be clergy in rare cases) and it occurs as a "State of Exception"(like if a Pope died, and there was a living nun who was famous{and something like an Avignon came up, even if on the noncanon line}).
 
Joan always works, as there is a conspiracy theory OTL around the name(no actual Pope Joan existed). One loophole would be a POD early enough(and allows nuns to be clergy in rare cases) and it occurs as a "State of Exception"(like if a Pope died, and there was a living nun who was famous{and something like an Avignon came up, even if on the noncanon line}).
The difficulty is that the Pope is Bishop Of Rome, hence must be or become an ordained priest. Until the idea of an exclusively male presbyterate is changed, cannot happen.
 

samcster94

Banned
The difficulty is that the Pope is Bishop Of Rome, hence must be or become an ordained priest. Until the idea of an exclusively male presbyterate is changed, cannot happen.
Again, a change to Canon rule allowing a "state of exception", especially after a Black Death or something similar(I know it did not happen OTL), and not out of sympathy(more out of necessity).
 
The tradition of taking a regnal name isn't actually a rule, so the female pope would be able to simply retain her baptismal name. If it's not deemed appropriate, there's plenty of Biblical names to choose from.
 
Again, a change to Canon rule allowing a "state of exception", especially after a Black Death or something similar(I know it did not happen OTL), and not out of sympathy(more out of necessity).

The only way that would happen would be if every Catholic male in Rome and the environs (and possibly all of Catholic Christendom) was killed. That's not a Black Death, that's an apocalypse.
 
How could this come about? I know the code of canon law says, "Only a baptized man (Latin: vir) validly receives sacred ordination." However, I think some have taken this to mean that women only cannot validly be ordained as deacons? Could that be a work around?

During 30 years war or before, some radical protestant army takes Rome and wants to humiliate the Catholic Church. So they randomly choose some nun and appoint her Pope to make fun of the Catholics.

After some days, they get tired of their joke and decide to dismiss the first female Pope of history.
 
The only way to get this to happen would be for the Catholic Church to adopt the Cathar view of women, which involves significant changes in theological/spiritual viewpoints as well, so that's very unlikely in itself.
 

samcster94

Banned
The only way to get this to happen would be for the Catholic Church to adopt the Cathar view of women, which involves significant changes in theological/spiritual viewpoints as well, so that's very unlikely in itself.
Well, one twist would be in the future after a major social shift and a schism(where industrialized countries like Canada follow a different Vatican than poorer countries like the Dominican Republic). Yes, Joan is always a good name simply to make the conspiracy theorists upset.
 

PhilippeO

Banned
i wonder, could single family by luck, ruthlessness, and power managed to produce pope for dozens generation (through uncle-nephew line) and so completely dominate Rome, that when they fails to produce nephew, they powerful enough to order some niece-nun raised to Papacy.

or alternatively appoint toddler as Pope and her mother as Pope-regent.
 
i wonder, could single family by luck, ruthlessness, and power managed to produce pope for dozens generation (through uncle-nephew line) and so completely dominate Rome, that when they fails to produce nephew, they powerful enough to order some niece-nun raised to Papacy.

or alternatively appoint toddler as Pope and her mother as Pope-regent.
For some reason I think such a blatant case of simony would result in a schism, if not the outright overthrowing of the Papacy.
 
i wonder, could single family by luck, ruthlessness, and power managed to produce pope for dozens generation (through uncle-nephew line) and so completely dominate Rome, that when they fails to produce nephew, they powerful enough to order some niece-nun raised to Papacy.

or alternatively appoint toddler as Pope and her mother as Pope-regent.

Well, if you make Catholicism a minor religion, then by all means this is possible. As a major religion, this cannot fly - not even in the darkest periods of the institution did this happen for long (IX-X Century), and when the Papal seat got back to have some relevance, soon Popes started being often not Italian, let alone not Roman.

As for OP's question - your idea hinges on the idea of parity between males and females which is a relatively new trend in history. So to get this going, you would need a way to introduce it early with hosts of butterflies or, and this is the easiest way to get this, to make Catholicism a comparatively small (thus more flexible) institution: this allows you to get this done in two ways. The first is to keep the idea of Papal ordainment by acclaim (which could've led to a female being chosen, but still) or you'd have to get female deaconhood and higher going.
Either way, this is extremely hard to get - especially IRL, as St John Paul II made it part of the Magisterium and Benedict XVI made it part of Canon Law, too.
 
The difficulty is that the Pope is Bishop Of Rome, hence must be or become an ordained priest. Until the idea of an exclusively male presbyterate is changed, cannot happen.

The only way that would happen would be if every Catholic male in Rome and the environs (and possibly all of Catholic Christendom) was killed. That's not a Black Death, that's an apocalypse.

Weren't there female deacons in the Early Christian Period/before the fourth century? Wouldn't the trick be to maintain this to some degree during the institutionalization of the Church under Constantine?

On a later note, is it impossible to think that some version of the Counter-Reformation in the 1500s lead to the ordainment of women?
 
Here are a few Female Papal names that could pass muster.

Mary
Charity
Theodora
Constance
Pia
Joan
Anne
Catherine
Faith
Hope
Prudence
Chastity
Patience
Modesty
Innocenta
Sophia
Benedetta
Salome

I based them off of the 'Seven Virtues', a few popular Saints in the middle ages, a couple gender-inversions of male-papal names.
 

Schnozzberry

Gone Fishin'
Donor
Here are a few Female Papal names that could pass muster.

Mary
Charity
Theodora
Constance
Pia
Joan
Anne
Catherine
Faith
Hope
Prudence
Chastity
Patience
Modesty
Innocenta
Sophia
Benedetta
Salome

I based them off of the 'Seven Virtues', a few popular Saints in the middle ages, a couple gender-inversions of male-papal names.

Now, I don't know how it sounds in Italian/Latin/Any other language, but Pope Hope sounds quite amusing/silly in English. Is that considered in adopting a papal name?
 
Now, I don't know how it sounds in Italian/Latin/Any other language, but Pope Hope sounds quite amusing/silly in English. Is that considered in adopting a papal name?

Papal Names are officially given in Latin, but until recently (as in the reign of Pope John Paul II) the Papacy was dominated by Italians. It's why you see a lot of Papal names like Boniface and Innocent, which in English are rare and sound ridiculous but are still perfectly acceptable in Italian.

In Latin it would be Pope Spero, in Italian it would be Pope Speranza
 
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