Questions on a USSR victory

How could the USSR win the cold war and the USA loose.

Also what would happen to the west after they are defeated in the cold war?

Implications of a modern day USSR and Warsaw pact?
 

MSZ

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USA accepts the Stalin note, and the provisions are implemented - US forces withdraw from Europe and the USA returns to isolationism, effectively kicking it out of the Cold War. Germany is neutral and demilitarized, but with the Red Army still in Poland and Czechoslovakia it has it by the balls, constantly placing increasing pressureon it threatning the use of force. The USSR eventually invades as there is no western military alliance to stop it.
 
Basically, free market capitalism is far more efficient than centrally planned economies once you get past a certain point. Oh, and if youre not directing your entire economy to a single task, like defeating invading nazis.

So. To seriously hope to do this, you have to shut down the us economic engine, possibly by increasing government control due to maccarthyism and red scares. While simultaneously opening up the soviet economy.

That is a very low probability event, but not asb.

The other way would be for the cold war to go hot. The soviets might 'win' that, for a loose enough definition of the word. Might.
 
No Sino-Soviet split or Tito-Stalin split, communists win elections in Italy and France, communist revolution in Indonesia leads to huge deployment of US troops in a needlessly expensive war, decolonisation leads to more successful and stable socialist countries in Africa after CIA involvement is underfunded, more successful Soviet-friendly regimes in south America, followed by a harsher and less successful neoliberal deindustrialisation in Britain and the USA leads to another depression that the Soviet bloc is shielded from. The West has collapsed or sided with the Soviets while the communists are more united encompassing more resources and with a world wide presence.

Dunno about that free market crap being more efficient than central planning. Without half the world's resources and people to ruthlessly exploit the western free market wouldn't have nearly been as successful.
 
Dunno about that free market crap being more efficient than central planning. Without half the world's resources and people to ruthlessly exploit the western free market wouldn't have nearly been as successful.

Hm? You may be thinking of today: until the 60s, the US economy was pretty autarchic, and the rise of China didn't really become important till the 90s. Even today, aside from a few important strategic minerals, much of Latin America and almost all of sub-saharan Africa could drop off the map without affecting the global economy too badly. The capitalist system does indeed tend to screw over much of the poorer nations, but the big bucks are in the advanced economies or the big third-world successes like China.

Bruce
 
USA accepts the Stalin note, and the provisions are implemented - US forces withdraw from Europe and the USA returns to isolationism, effectively kicking it out of the Cold War. Germany is neutral and demilitarized, but with the Red Army still in Poland and Czechoslovakia it has it by the balls, constantly placing increasing pressureon it threatning the use of force. The USSR eventually invades as there is no western military alliance to stop it.
Soviet Army pulled out from Czechoslovakia in 1946.
 
Answer. Not very easily by any stretch of the imagination post 1900. It would involve A LOT going wrong for the West and A LOT going right for the USSR. I don't actually think a "defeat" of the USA in the Cold War is even possible ala the US collapsing as the USSR did because it was simply a nation with better leadership, better industry, better technology, a more educated population and a very advanced military. It was on the better side of World War II, enjoyed technological supremacy and access to much of world's resources. Honestly, in order for this to happen, the US needs to be led by much weaker men who only make stupid decisions. The USSR is still going to be plagued by the issues of unemployment, a draconian government and a very depressed population, who for years had felt they had simply traded one horrible dictatorship for another.
 
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