Questions of the long term effects on Italy of a Napoleonic Victory

Assuming Nappy somehow manages to keep his Empire. How do you see Italian Nationalism playing out long term in the French annexed parts, the Kingdom of Italy, and Naples? Would there be a push to unite Naples and Italy, and perhaps demands for France to fork over some of her holdings in Italy. If so, how much?

Could you potentially see an 1848 style Revolution in Italy and Germany with a possible Austrian intervention and a new coalition after an extended period of peace?

Could France and Italy potentially fuse into an Austro Hungarian Style Union?

Also assuming Nappy is not able to seize Sardinia and maybe Sicily, how does nationalism play out on those islands?
 
I think you'd need to draw up a TL or at least give some vague pointers as to future events for us to speculate. There are all kinds of directions Europe could go in based off a Napoleonic success at an unspecified point, before the date of 1848. For instance, does he invade Russia or not? Does he face a Hundred Days campaign and win or does it never get that bad for him? Does he die young, and does his son continue his legacy or grow up totally differently?
 
I guess the standard Nappy lives on, he doesn't back stab Spain and is able to avoid war with Russia.
 
I can see Piedmont succesfully inglobed in greater france, but no more than that.
Italo-french fusion is not an option in my POV, expecially in souther italy.

The push for italian unification was nearly non-existent in the population, and was driven by the upper class; if the upper classes speak french, Italy remains a geographical term.

Maybe a cisalpine republic is estabilished (maybe even a kingdom of italy) under some Bonaparte relative, but it will be in the french-oriented northwest, not having anything to do with Naple's kingdom.
Considering the revivial of Charlemagne's institutions, the crown of such a northern italic kingdom could effectively be on the same head of the Emperour de le francoise, as a personal union (the precedent is C kingship on Franks and Longobards); but each is to keep its own institution.
no merging

Sicily and sardinia had no italian nationalism of sort: if any, they had independentist stances trying to separe themselves from Naples/Pidemont
 
Equuleus said:
Assuming Nappy somehow manages to keep his Empire. How do you see Italian Nationalism playing out long term in the French annexed parts, the Kingdom of Italy, and Naples? Would there be a push to unite Naples and Italy, and perhaps demands for France to fork over some of her holdings in Italy. If so, how much?

Could you potentially see an 1848 style Revolution in Italy and Germany with a possible Austrian intervention and a new coalition after an extended period of peace?

Could France and Italy potentially fuse into an Austro Hungarian Style Union?

Also assuming Nappy is not able to seize Sardinia and maybe Sicily, how does nationalism play out on those islands?

Italian Unification in case of Napoleonic Triumph seems plausible in my eyes. Napoleon was very proud of his corsican origins and had a very good opinion on Italians. I think he could go for Italian Unification.

Besides, look at Italy in OTL under Napoleon at his Empire's apogee :
-In the North, there is the Kingdom of Italy, with Milan as its capital.
-Napoleon holds the Italian Crown, but the real power in the hands of the Viceroy, Eugene de Beauharnais (Napoleon's stepson).
-In the South, the Kingdom of Naples under Joachim Murat, Napoleon's stepbrother (he is the husband of Caroline, one of Napoleon's sisters).
-The Papal States are under french control, as is Piemont.
-Sicily and Sardinia are independent and allied to the Brits.
-And there are very few Italian Minor States that are loyal to Napoleon.

Considering how close Napoleon was to his stepson and the fact he had promised him the crown of Italy if he had no second son, I see Eugene de Beauharnais as the king of a unified Italy. To keep Murat as an ally, Napoleon will probably get him another crown or give him a huge importance in the new kingdom, although I'd go for the first.

Convincing the Italian Minors to unite under Eugene will be easy. The conquest of Sardinia and Sicily might be a little harder, but if there is a unified Mainland Italy, maybe the nationalist will pressure or rebel against their kings to have the islands join the new kingdom.

Napoleon could relinquish the Papal States as he will have no need for them and they aren't land-connected to his Empire. He will keep Piemont incorporated in the French Empire though.

On a side note, Napoleon had also wish to give the Illyrian Provinces to the kingdom of Italy.
 
France had united all of north /East Italy into the Kingdom of Italy AND had set up French style Departments to govern the territory. [I belive he also did in Naples]
When the Old Regnum retook power in 1815, they undid this.

However if Napoleon holds on for several more years, whe will have several generations to whom the Departments are the Status Quo.

I doubt in this case if Italy will get the left hand of the TEE* back. probably the Illyrian Provinces instead.

An earlier united Italy will probably be able to get Tunisia in the 1860's.


*instead of a capital T, Italy will be a lower case f, with a long drooping rite top

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France had united all of north /East Italy into the Kingdom of Italy AND had set up French style Departments to govern the territory. [I belive he also did in Naples]
When the Old Regnum retook power in 1815, they undid this.

However if Napoleon holds on for several more years, whe will have several generations to whom the Departments are the Status Quo.

I doubt in this case if Italy will get the left hand of the TEE* back. probably the Illyrian Provinces instead.

An earlier united Italy will probably be able to get Tunisia in the 1860's.


*instead of a capital T, Italy will be a lower case f, with a long drooping rite top

that map is a "bit" aleatory ...
 
I could see Nappy uniting Italy and Naples, but I think Napoleon would be more inclined to keep Rome under the French Crown for symbolic reasons.
 
Equuleus said:
I could see Nappy uniting Italy and Naples, but I think Napoleon would be more inclined to keep Rome under the French Crown for symbolic reasons.

Napoleon keeping Rome is effectively possible as the heir to the French Imperial Throne had the honorary title "King of Rome".
Napoleon's heirs might later give Rome back to Italy though. In exchange for money, land or something else.

What would be the capital of a unified Italy under Napoleon or one of his relatives in the case Rome stayed French? Milan?
 
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