Questions about Europe/Mongols from 1130s to 1230s

For Scandinavia---pretty much OTL, expanding and unifying Swedish state moving into Finland. Perhaps this could create friction with one or more of the Russian republics? Maybe go for an earlier attempt of unification between Sweden and Norway. OTL that happened in the 14th Cent.
 

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For Scandinavia---pretty much OTL, expanding and unifying Swedish state moving into Finland. Perhaps this could create friction with one or more of the Russian republics? Maybe go for an earlier attempt of unification between Sweden and Norway. OTL that happened in the 14th Cent.

(sorry for responding so slowly)

Alright, so possibly an earlier (and possibly smaller) Kalmar Union? Anything else that could be of interest in the time period I'm looking at?
 

Zioneer

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Quick question; could there be a Shia reformist/popular charismatic sort of movement after the Fatimids fall?
 
Quick question; could there be a Shia reformist/popular charismatic sort of movement after the Fatimids fall?
Idk. The Fatimids weren't all that popular, anyways. And as it was Eqypt was still majority Coptic, while the rest of Fatimid land was Sunni, so it wouldn't end well. Shi'ism would still be a minority.
 
Idk. The Fatimids weren't all that popular, anyways. And as it was Eqypt was still majority Coptic, while the rest of Fatimid land was Sunni, so it wouldn't end well. Shi'ism would still be a minority.

By the end of the 1100's Egypt was majority Muslim. It was a long process of conversion that began with the Arab conquest but the tipping point was due to the persecutions of the last couple of Fatamid rulers.
 
By the end of the 1100's Egypt was majority Muslim. It was a long process of conversion that began with the Arab conquest but the tipping point was due to the persecutions of the last couple of Fatamid rulers.

Do you have a source for this?

I'm not arguing, just that the issue has been brought up several times and I'm hoping someone has some solid research to back up a statement like this.
 
Do you have a source for this?

I'm not arguing, just that the issue has been brought up several times and I'm hoping someone has some solid research to back up a statement like this.

There is a late 90's source. I've seen it referenced in on the Net ---possibly in Wiki in a Copt oriented heading. Let me see....Yep ---History of the Copts.
---Kamil, Jill (1997). Coptic Egypt: History and Guide. Cairo: American University in Cairo.

Now, I'll leave it to others to explore its veracity.;)
 
There is a late 90's source. I've seen it referenced in on the Net ---possibly in Wiki in a Copt oriented heading. Let me see....Yep ---History of the Copts.
---Kamil, Jill (1997). Coptic Egypt: History and Guide. Cairo: American University in Cairo.

Now, I'll leave it to others to explore its veracity.;)

At least there's something to look at instead of "Some guy on the internet mentioned some percentage somewhere."

Thanks.
 

Zioneer

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So even if Egypt is majority Muslim, there's no way to keep a Shia dynasty around? Or create a new one?
 
Scandinavia (contd.) Norway OTL was involved in dynastic civil wars for nearly a century from 1130 on. Pretenders, all claiming descent from Magnus III Barelegs, who had died in the first decade of the century, were taken up by internal factions within the country. Sometimes the Danes or Swedes would support a candidate.

Previously, Norway was strong, and its king, Sigurd, had been on a successful crusade before 1110. If you butterfly away king Magnus's adventures in Ireland, you don't get the pretenders who came from there, and Norway remains a significant Northern power with a strong fleet. Your call which direction it is sent.
 
There is a late 90's source. I've seen it referenced in on the Net ---possibly in Wiki in a Copt oriented heading. Let me see....Yep ---History of the Copts.
---Kamil, Jill (1997). Coptic Egypt: History and Guide. Cairo: American University in Cairo.

Now, I'll leave it to others to explore its veracity.;)

All right, but they were Sunni as opposed to Shi'a, so I don't see how the Fatimids would last.
 
The Fatamids were Isma'ili Shi'a. What are you talking about? Or are you talking about the makeup of the Muslim population of Egypt ---that most Egyptian Muslims were Sunni? Confusing because of what you quoted. If the latter, I wouldn't take it as a given that a Shia ruling class couldn't continue to govern Sunnis. After all OTL, they did for 200 years in Egypt. To continue would require a POD that would stifle the ethnic in-fighting that led to dynasty-shattering civil war. If you butterfly away a key drought period, this helps a lot. Or, with an earlier POD than the OP that limits Fatamid expansion into Syria that led to incorporation of Turks into the Fatamid military system. The Fatamid's key power-base was Berber and African, and it was the clash between these and the Syrian Turks that led to civil war.
 
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#6: In 1130, the KoJ and related states were still doing fairly well. There was yet no unified opposition, and they had mostly finished consolidating their control of the hinterland. They also had a series of very capable kings (and one queen), and also had fairly good relations with their neighbors in Damascus and Shaizar. So things hadn't gone down the tubes yet.
 
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