Question- Was Himmler behind the July 20th plot?

No. Himmler wasn't smart enough for such conspiracy to purge Wehrmacht.

And aren't that kind of conspiracion threads prohibited here?
 
He wasn't cunning enough to engineer such thing; there were no Machiavelli's, Richelieu's or Walsingham's in nazi Germany otherwise we would be conducting this conversion in german, not in english :D.
 
No. Himmler wasn't smart enough for such conspiracy to purge Wehrmacht.

And aren't that kind of conspiracion threads prohibited here?

Considering the fact that ther plotters planned on eliminating Himmler and the SS, I'd be very surprised to find out he was the architect of the plan.
 
If Himmler had plotted to purge the army, the method would have been to plant bomb somewhere Hitler was planning to go, made with compontents clearly traceable back to some army staff officiers, have the Hitler schedule change at the last moment, pick the resulting human remains and "investigate" the plot.

For example when the Soviets decided to get rid of Tukhacevsky they fed thru a double agent disinformation to the germans who then, assuming to be very cunning :D, fed it back to Moscow where Tukhacevsky "treason" was "discovered" and "punished".
 
He was aware that there was a plot against Hitler (after all one of the minor participants, Johannes Popitz, tried to enlist him in 1943 without result) and looked away (as he allowed Popitz to remain free until 21 July 1944), probably with the expectation to be able to mop the plotters up afterwards or to make a deal with them, in both cases hoping for a separate peace once Hitler is gone. Then again maybe he just thought the plotters would continue to talk without acting and did not want to steer a hornets nest. But certainly he kept well away from the conspiration and was not involved in the plot, as seen not least in the part where they wanted to kill him together with Hitler if possible.
 

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BTW: Conspiracy theories are frowned upon here.

What ?

Is this some kind of insider joke, that i don't get? :D

Considering the fact that ther plotters planned on eliminating Himmler and the SS, I'd be very surprised to find out he was the architect of the plan.

Yeah that could be a problem.

Of course, unless they were to kill Himlers clone, while he would be drinking schnaps in his Vrill while en-route to his Antarctic Moon Base. :p
 
He was aware that there was a plot against Hitler (after all one of the minor participants, Johannes Popitz, tried to enlist him in 1943 without result) and looked away (as he allowed Popitz to remain free until 21 July 1944), probably with the expectation to be able to mop the plotters up afterwards or to make a deal with them, in both cases hoping for a separate peace once Hitler is gone. Then again maybe he just thought the plotters would continue to talk without acting and did not want to steer a hornets nest. But certainly he kept well away from the conspiration and was not involved in the plot, as seen not least in the part where they wanted to kill him together with Hitler if possible.

Standard cop procedure of letting a small fish free to get the lot. Probably he underestimated the real size of the conspiracy.
 
Considering the fact that ther plotters planned on eliminating Himmler and the SS, I'd be very surprised to find out he was the architect of the plan.
Himmler's plan:

Step 1: Kill Hitler and myself, then get the SS eliminated in a coup.

Step 2: ???

Step 3: Profit.
 
He was aware that there was a plot against Hitler (after all one of the minor participants, Johannes Popitz, tried to enlist him in 1943 without result) and looked away (as he allowed Popitz to remain free until 21 July 1944), probably with the expectation to be able to mop the plotters up afterwards or to make a deal with them, in both cases hoping for a separate peace once Hitler is gone. Then again maybe he just thought the plotters would continue to talk without acting and did not want to steer a hornets nest. But certainly he kept well away from the conspiration and was not involved in the plot, as seen not least in the part where they wanted to kill him together with Hitler if possible.

In the latter part of the war, Himmler did entertain hopes of sidelining Hitler and making a separate peace with the West to continue the war against Stalin. It is not entirely unfeasible to think that he might have known about the plot but allowed it to go on - and then would have only directed his goons to interfere after Hitler was dead and he can ride in as the man who saves Germany from chaos in this time of great tragedy, the plotters having done the dirty work of getting rid of the Führer for him.

Considering what a conniving, venal bastard the Reichsführer-SS was, it would be in character at least. It would be another thing entirely to prove that this was the case with actual sources, of course.

It would make for a nice twist for a AH story of the July 20th plot succeeding: Hitler is dead and, elated, von Stauffenberg et al. move on to complete the plan - only to have the SS and the Gestapo immediately come down on them like a ton of bricks, their leaders apparently fully in the know of even the particulars of the plot... So far, I don't think anyone has explored that exact scenario.
 
It would make for a nice twist for a AH story of the July 20th plot succeeding: Hitler is dead and, elated, von Stauffenberg et al. move on to complete the plan - only to have the SS and the Gestapo immediately come down on them like a ton of bricks, their leaders apparently fully in the know of even the particulars of the plot... So far, I don't think anyone has explored that exact scenario.

This is a sensible; I see the situation evolve almost immediately into a Wehrmacht/Waffen SS civil war with the end of the war in Europe before Christmas 1944.
 
He was aware that there was a plot against Hitler (after all one of the minor participants, Johannes Popitz, tried to enlist him in 1943 without result) and looked away (as he allowed Popitz to remain free until 21 July 1944),

Isn't that enough to get him killed? Why didn't that happen?
 
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