Question on overseas territories for Germany

JJohnson

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I'm only placing this here since the PoD would likely originate here. But let's say that Germany still retains one or more of its overseas territories, and at least one or more that is sizable enough to become a state, like Guadeloupe, Martinique, and French Guiana are (departments at least) within France. What would such a Germany do with such territories? Leave them as just territories without voting representation (like the US and its insular areas), or make them states with representation in the Bundestag, like France did? And what would they be called in German?

I'm working through a timeline I'll post later that would involve German Guiana, the Solomon Islands, Caroline Islands, and a few Scattered Islands.
 
If we have a surviving Imperial Germany, perhaps they could be made into a "Reichsland" like Alsace-Lorraine. (Deutsch-Südwestafrika would be a good candidate for this)

If we have a democratic Germany, I don't see why they can't be made into states of Germany.
 
Kaiserwhilhelmsland could theoretically be incorporated as such. Perhaps even the other colonies should they be cut up and turned into Reichsländer like Aruba is in the Kingdom of the Netherlands
 

katchen

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I would imagine that Neuschwabenland in Antarctica would remain just a territory until it became technically feasible to exploit it's mineral resources and mineral commodity prices rose high enough to justify doing so. Which would be about in the next 20 years.
The first of Neuschwabenland's resources to be exploited would very likely be icebergs to irrigate the Namib in Sudwestafrika State and as a city water supply for Luderitz. Pumping the water all the way up to Windhoek and Swakopmund would be expensive.
 
I'd think the British model of granting independence would be much more likely than the French model of incorporation.
 

JJohnson

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I'd think the British model of granting independence would be much more likely than the French model of incorporation.

Interesting. I think it could go either way, but why does Britain tend to grant independence while France tends to incorporate and integrate? Did the experience of the US shift political thought in that manner?

Are there political conditions that make it more likely in France for overseas territories to be integrated and turned into departments (states)?
 
I'd think the British model of granting independence would be much more likely than the French model of incorporation.

For me is the opposite, in their Pacific island and Kenya and Togoland they were pretty eager to bring imigrants and foster then as german first overalll, thus they will more gladly to French model of incorporation(and the federal nature of germany allow, there is not laws who mention what is a german state at the time ) so is more possible knowing german old culture.

Which place? place like islands and not so big terrain can enter, other maybe will be semi autonomus states..
 
Interesting. I think it could go either way, but why does Britain tend to grant independence while France tends to incorporate and integrate? Did the experience of the US shift political thought in that manner?

Are there political conditions that make it more likely in France for overseas territories to be integrated and turned into departments (states)?

Well, I'd say that the French notion of citizenship is amenable to such arrangements. For the French, what is important is cultural assimilation and adherence to republican tradition. That means that there's not so much of an ideological problem with accepting people of other races as being French, so long as they adopt French culture.

German citizenship is ethnic-based, meaning that Africans and Pacific Islanders can never truly become Germans.

As far as settler colonies go, the Germans weren't particularly successful at this (my memory is that only Southwest Africa had a significant settler population), so I'm not sure that makes much of a difference. Even if they did have more successful settler colonies, I have a hard time seeing how that distinguishes them from Britain, the imperial power that had the most extensive settler colonies.
 
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