question on my continued civil war story

say the us civil war did continue into the 20th or late 19th century would said conflict cause tech. to increase faster, such as tanks, planes, and automatic-semiautomatic firearms, and make them available bi-planes- monoplanes much earlier than they really did.
 
say the us civil war did continue into the 20th or late 19th century would said conflict cause tech. to increase faster, such as tanks, planes, and automatic-semiautomatic firearms, and make them available bi-planes- monoplanes much earlier than they really did.

I think that for the civil war to last that long... it would have had to involve more than one war.
 
Not in the United States, no. Prolonged civil war is a source of economic weakness and economic either contraction or stagnation. A USA with a Sri Lanka style endless civil war won't be anything like the OTL USA, it'd be more militarized but overall poorer in terms of military technology. Think a big, bloated combination of Colombia and Mexico.
 
Not in the United States, no. Prolonged civil war is a source of economic weakness and economic either contraction or stagnation. A USA with a Sri Lanka style endless civil war won't be anything like the OTL USA, it'd be more militarized but overall poorer in terms of military technology. Think a big, bloated combination of Colombia and Mexico.

There's a mental image I could live without. :eek:

In OTL, the North grew despite the war, but any war that can last as Hawk wants would not be such a war, though I have to wonder how such a war would take place.

You'd need a combination of stronger will to accept futility than OTL and worse generals. Much worse generals.

And endless guerrilla type civil war...that's just going to be ugly, it won't advance anything except moral depravity.
 
There's a mental image I could live without. :eek:

In OTL, the North grew despite the war, but any war that can last as Hawk wants would not be such a war, though I have to wonder how such a war would take place.

You'd need a combination of stronger will to accept futility than OTL and worse generals. Much worse generals.

And endless guerrilla type civil war...that's just going to be ugly, it won't advance anything except moral depravity.

Something like the White League/Red Shirts becoming endemic, instead of disappearing in the 1880s might do it. Now, how precisely this comes about is the devil in the details.
 
Something like the White League/Red Shirts becoming endemic, instead of disappearing in the 1880s might do it. Now, how precisely this comes about is the devil in the details.

I had to ask. :eek:

I don't know if that would totally stop progress, but if that not merely continues but spreads in such a way that it involves domestic terrorism outside the South...

That might do more to tear the Union asunder than merely successful secession as the least horrifying consequence.
 
I had to ask. :eek:

I don't know if that would totally stop progress, but if that not merely continues but spreads in such a way that it involves domestic terrorism outside the South...

That might do more to tear the Union asunder than merely successful secession as the least horrifying consequence.

It would have to be those paramilitary-style forces, as Grant pretty effectively cut the knees off of the Confederacy. *A* possibility that might truly be nightmarish is if one of the assassination attempts on President Grant as POTUS succeeds, or alternately if the Compromise of 1877 falls through and the USA has a new Civil War in the 1870s that ensures a good-sized chunk of the South looks like Warlordist China.

The first one is most likely to cause everything to explode like a grenade because Grant moved heaven and earth to start reuniting the two sections, and was the most popular man in the United States of the 1870s. If he becomes a second Abraham Lincoln, a martyr to Southern terrorism......:eek::eek:
 
I'm going to stop replying before you start going into detail about this, Snake. :eek:

Or at least that's the plan.
 
I'm going to stop replying before you start going into detail about this, Snake. :eek:

Or at least that's the plan.

Well, there were three such attempts during Grant's term, but Grant was very clever about them in one way: he refused to acknowledge any of them had even happened. Ordinarily his rather secretive nature could be a bit of a political negative, here it arguably helped prevent the pressure that releasing such information might have opened to make Reconstruction punitive in a fashion of punishing *all* Southern whites (helping Southern blacks would not factor into this in any sense of the word). The one where he was nearly killed by a train derailing ala Narodnaya Volnya in Russia which was doing similar things about the same time.....

But in any event, fortunately, the USA did not see any of this. :eek:
 
Well, there were three such attempts during Grant's term, but Grant was very clever about them in one way: he refused to acknowledge any of them had even happened. Ordinarily his rather secretive nature could be a bit of a political negative, here it arguably helped prevent the pressure that releasing such information might have opened to make Reconstruction punitive in a fashion of punishing *all* Southern whites (helping Southern blacks would not factor into this in any sense of the word). The one where he was nearly killed by a train derailing ala Narodnaya Volnya in Russia which was doing similar things about the same time.....

But in any event, fortunately, the USA did not see any of this. :eek:

Yeah. Not that OTL was a good outcome, except "better than the traitors deserved", but I'd really appreciate you not explaining how TTL could be worse beyond what you've just said.
 
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