Question on "Election by Petition"

This might belong in Political Chat, if so feel free to move it. But I put it here because I am sort of asking an alternate history question at the end and it would almost definitely require a pre-1900 POD.

I recently read Robert Heinlein’s The Moon is a Harsh Mistress. In it, one of the characters suggested several alternate election systems, one of which caught my eye and I was wondering how it would fare in the real world and how it could come about. In essence, the way election by petition would work is that we do away with geographical districts and instead any candidate who wanted to be a member of Congress would start a petition and collect signatures. Any candidate who is able to reach a certain pre-determined threshold (which would presumably have to be modified over time to match population growth) would become the official representative in Congress of everyone on his petition. There wouldn’t be any regular elections. When a citizen felt that their representative no longer adequately represented their interests, they could remove their name from that person’s petition and sign someone else’s. If due to removals, a candidate fell below the threshold, they would be immediately removed from Congress. Obviously, each voter would only be allowed to have their name on one candidate’s petition at a time. The point of this system is to avoid what the character felt was unfairness in a system based on geographic districts. Under a first-past-the-post system, a candidate gets 51% of the vote in a district and then becomes the representative of the district's entire electorate when his views do not in any way represent the 49% who didn’t vote for him. Under election by petition, the candidate only represents the people who actually support him regardless of where those supporters happen to reside. People who choose not to vote would also be represented in a weird way by there being less politicians in Congress. The amount of Representatives would be approximately proportional to the amount of people who actually cared enough to sign a petition.

So my basic question is, while I like the theory, what would this system look like in practice? Would it be stable? What would be the political impact both for the country using it and for the rest of the world? Obviously it would result in more representation for the fringe parties because their supporters could be organized and concentrated on a few candidates rather than being small minorities in geographical districts. I think that politicians would stay in office longer because people would have to actively reject their previous choice rather than having fixed terms and being forced to give the incumbent an up or down vote every x number of years. On the other hand, when enough people did desire change (like during the anti-war movement in the 60s or Tea Party in 2010) that change could be affected immediately rather than having to wait until the next election. I would also think that it would be harder to disenfranchise racial minorities under this system, since it is a lot easier to harass people at a polling place than it is to track down and destroy every petition being circulated (perhaps in secret if the persecution is bad enough) in minority communities. Overall, would the international community view this system as “left-wing” (because of the radical departure from previous electoral systems), “right-wing” (because it would likely be easier for the existing establishment to hold on to power) or just bizarre? Has anything like this ever been tried? If not, when and where would it be most likely to be tried?
 

PhilippeO

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With one person name can only be listed on one candidate name list. And each person could add and withdraw his name from the list. It will need easily verifiable identity for each citizens. The logistics hurdle would be extremely great. Only western europe on 21st century is probably managed to do it.
 
Bah and here I thought I was original when I had similar ideas...

Well a few ways of making it easier logistically:
A. There's still an election day and everyone in the country can vote for anyone. Anyone above a certain cut-off has voting power equal to the number of votes they got.
B. Have it start for an aristocratic body and slowly expand from there. For example something like the old House of Lords in which a certain number of titled lords can show up and vote in person. Then allow the Lords to designate another lord as his proxy. So Lord Adam, Lord Ben, Lord Carl and Lord Douglas can all show up and vote in person or lords A-C can declare Lord Douglas their proxy and Lord Douglas shows up at the *House of Lords able to cast four votes. It should be easy to keep track of who a few hundred lords have each designated as their proxy (if any). Then gradually expand that on down.
 
As was said above, in order to do this you need modern mass media (in order to reach your constituents), verifiable identities, and a highly effective central votre registry. Either that, or your community is so small you needn't bother with a congress.

Given the requirement to maintain a positive image at all times and the need to cater to a diverse constituency (no pork projects), it would likely crewate three things:

- enormous advantages to incumbency (access to media coverage and voter lists - you know who voted you in, they're on your petition)

- personal clientage relationships (do good for one of your petitioners and spread the news)

- great vulnerability to media power (you can lose a petition much faster than you can a district).

It would also make it easier for minorities to get representation for their interests (Silverthorn Harvestmoon in Congress for American Wiccans / Petition for Ragnar Ragnarsson Whiteman to represent White Pride in Washington...). And the probability is high that some geographical areas will still elect someone to provide pork for them. Regional identities are strong, and identity politics will still matter a lot.
 
Perhaps I’m overlooking something but to me it just looks like a nation-wise proportional system with a few glitches of no big consequence. I’d expect it to behave as one, with a fragmented an unstable legislature and many, internally strong parties, even if the system seem to be designed to promote individuals.
 
Well if everyone who gets petitioned in gets the same voting power in the legislature then, yeah, it looks pretty much the same as a proportional system. If the people who get petitioned in get voting power equal to the length or their petition then that really hurts parties since every politician in the legislature is competing against every other.
 
Well if everyone who gets petitioned in gets the same voting power in the legislature then, yeah, it looks pretty much the same as a proportional system. If the people who get petitioned in get voting power equal to the length or their petition then that really hurts parties since every politician in the legislature is competing against every other.

This is one of the ‘glitches’ I had in mind: for the system to make sense some weighting of voting power must be made on account of the ‘votes’ received by each candidate. But again, if you come to think of it, this is exactly the proportional system, only here it is individuals who receive the petition instead of parties. Still, ‘I’d assume that the benefits of close cooperation between individuals as well as of party brand names will again insure a system ruled by parties. All and all, no big deal.
 
I recently read Robert Heinlein’s The Moon is a Harsh Mistress. In it, one of the characters suggested several alternate election systems, one of which caught my eye and I was wondering how it would fare in the real world and how it could come about. In essence, the way election by petition would work is that we do away with geographical districts and instead any candidate who wanted to be a member of Congress would start a petition and collect signatures...

There are other ways it could be done, which could preserve anonymity.

For instance:

When a citizen goes to vote, he is issued a token. He then enters the voting room, where there are drop boxes for all candidates. He drops his token in one of the boxes. At the end of each week the boxes at all sites are opened and the tokens for each candidate tallied. When a candidate's votes exceed a threshhold number, he is seated in the legislature.

The votes cast each week expire after a year. A voter may return to the poll the week his vote expires, or later.

Each legislator affirmatively represents his voters. There are no disgruntled losing voters. The system cannot work for direct election of executive officers, so assume parliamentary government.

With the automatic expiration of votes, legislators must get continued support of the voters; those who do not drop out of office.

One could make votes transferable, so that a legislator with extra votes could help out a colleague; or even transferrable by legacy, so that if a legislator dies in office, his supporting votes pass to someone he agrees with.

Or instead of a threshhold, the top N voteholders are seated. Those at the margin would be in continual competition for more votes.

Another method would be to have votes for parties, with each party having a list, as in proportional election systems like Israel. A party would seat one member for each N votes held. If the party's votes decline, one of its members goes away. (I would make it the senior member, or it could be the junior member, or selection by lot.)

In any of these variants, the important fact is that political power is fluid and change is continual and gradual.

The danger is fluctuation around the margins. Suppose there is a ruling National party holds 60 of 99 seats. The Nats lose votes and drop to 55 seats, while the opposition Federalists grow to 56 seats and take power. But three weeks of campaigning later, the Nats gain two seats and regain power 57-56. Then they get whacked by a lot of votes expiring two weeks after that, dropping to 53 seats, while the Feds only drop to 54. One could have a new government every two to three weeks for months at a time; this would not be good for the functioning of departments; or long periods when minor parties with even one vote could in theory play kingmaker and exert disproportionate power.
 
Another problem is that restricting the franchise would probably be a much more common practice -- incumbents would want to make sure that the groups of people opposed to their agenda wouldn't be able to vote their own representative into office.
 
Another problem is that restricting the franchise would probably be a much more common practice -- incumbents would want to make sure that the groups of people opposed to their agenda wouldn't be able to vote their own representative into office.

I don't think the rewards of that would be proprtionately bigger than those of gerrymandering are in a geographic system. But you could do wonders with divisive politics. Instead of having, say, all Salish voting for one candidate, you could have them vote for three, none of whom will reach the threshold. Now they will focus all their energy campaigning against each other and the Salish will not be represented when we discuss logging in British Columbia.
 
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