Question on CSA Demographics

Whites can do jobs not in agriculture though. As the cotton farmers continue to buy up all the best slaves, that'll drain slaves away from other sectors and - notably - states that aren't involved in it. Even if slavery is still legal in somewhere like Virginia, it could die out in practice. That could lead to urbanisation there. But it seems highly likely the deep South will be majority black.
 
Something else to consider, there were some 130,000 free blacks in the CSA, some of whom owned slaves. Obviously, many of them would emigrate to the US if allowed (or Mexico if not), but as long as slave owners found the occasion to set their slaves free, the free black population would only increase. This could cause all sorts of social problems down the line, particularly in Virginia (where some 40% of free blacks resided).
 

Wolfpaw

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Also, from 1850 to 1860 the white population was growing slightly faster than the black population. There might still be problems in individual states, though. About 41% of South Carolina was white. About 45% of Mississippi was white and the blalck population was growing 17% faster than the white population. Georgia was only 56% white and the black population was growing 7% faster than the white population.
We ought not to forget the role that slave breeding played in the flesh trade. Laws regulating slave birthrates (or lack thereof) are going to play a big role in the size of the black population.

The South's definition of "white" is going to evolve interestingly. There were large Sicilian and Italian communities in New Orleans by the 1860s, but I'm not sure how many of those were post-CW arrivals to Nola. At the same time, the South was totally fine with the 1897 lynching of 11 "dagoes" (10 Sicilians, 1 Italian) for their alleged involvement in the murder of the New Orleans sheriff.

Hispanics were viewed as "mongrelized races" and "Half-Indian savages" by the likes of Filibuster-cheerleaders (and superficially "cosmopolitan" Louisianans) P. G. T. Beauregard of the thoroughly Francophilic Creole elite, and the France-born, republicanism-digging Democratic US Senator and former ambassador Pierre Soulé. Jeff Davis and Alexander Stephens didn't think too highly of those "Greasers" sitting in cotton-rich Northeastern Mexico that God certainly must have intended for the White Man.

And who can forget that Gray Eyed Man of Destiny, William Wallace, though most folks just call him "General Wallace." Why, he tried to bring Civilization and the White Man's Glory to Central America before those yellow-bellied Federals arrested him and gave him to the jungle niggers to be shot. He was a lot like Calhoun and Jefferson and Washington; a Forefather of our True Confederacy.

This is how these people were remembered IOTL. God knows how these myths will evolve to glorify this sort of nonsense. The question of Hispanic integration is probably a non-starter since 1) the Confederacy won't be able to conquer any Hispanic-majority territory (Cuba, Mexico) and 2) as a result of the first item, this is probably going to sour the already-poisonous views within CS society.

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Whites can do jobs not in agriculture though. As the cotton farmers continue to buy up all the best slaves, that'll drain slaves away from other sectors and - notably - states that aren't involved in it. Even if slavery is still legal in somewhere like Virginia, it could die out in practice. That could lead to urbanisation there. But it seems highly likely the deep South will be majority black.
This will probably lead to some pretty intense class/labor conflict. New Orleans whites, Texan ranchers, and Appalachian coal-miners felt were made to feel "racially emasculated" by Sicilians and blacks when the latter groups were brought in as scabs. Common records in Applachian mining unions and New Orleans memorials testify, respectively, to Management trying to portray their trade as "nigger work" and Sicilians as being the only non-black groups willing to work the fields.

If the non-"white" plurality starts getting brought into industry (instead of siphoned off into cottage industries like tobacco), then an already-struggling white working class is going to be incensed at one of their few available outlets being "denigrated" by blacks and dagoes.

I'd predict white unions (if they manage to evolve--OTL the Klan and corrupt county officers/sheriffs did fine keeping them down) are going to push for laws limiting slave/black employment (both in case indentured Freemen try to get around it) to agricultural and domestic/service work, while industrial work goes to WASPS, Scots, Irish, Germans, Nordics, and French. Efforts are made to keep "Latins" from mines, husbandry, and agricultural oversight; this leads to them likely concentrating on their running the ports, produce, and import-export markets of OTL's Southern cities.
 
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At some point, the State governments are going to step in and start enforcing sterilization of slaves.

It was done to young black prisoners for "loitering" in OTL; imagine ideological fief-states confronted with a "racial armadgeddon" in the Age of Eugenics without the North to absorb Southern emigration.

It would have to be pretty limited as it would eliminate some of the profitibility of slaves as they can't be sold and there would be no replacements for the field hands after they die. Maybe for runaways and those who commit violent crimes?
 

Wolfpaw

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It would have to be pretty limited as it would eliminate some of the profitibility of slaves as they can't be sold and there would be no replacements for the field hands after they die. Maybe for runaways and those who commit violent crimes?
Again, "loitering" was good enough IOTL, though that was targeted at males. Females may only be allowed to bear a controlled number of children.
 
Again, "loitering" was good enough IOTL, though that was targeted at males. Females may only be allowed to bear a controlled number of children.

But by that time Blacks weren't considered "property". The planters who control the government will have a screaming fit unless it is limited enough that there will be replacements for their slaves. That isn't even counting the "slave breeders.!:eek:
 
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