Slow assimilation or Métis-fication, probably... an hybrid culture.
Depend of the numbers, power, etc...
Depend of the numbers, power, etc...
Did Iceland and Greenland even have measles?
Googling suggests measles hit Iceland for the first time in 1751.
Does this prompt the King of Denmark/Norway to lay claim to Vinland sometime in the 15/16C? After all, he already rules Iceland and (nominally and FWIW) Greenland, of which Vinland is an offshoot.
Could we some Danish colonies in 16C North America? Or would Spain then, or England later, just nick them?
I'm thinking that by around 1250 there would be 200-300 Vinlanders in a small village at L'Anse-aux-Meadows. They'd be self-sufficient in terms of food and furs, but would probably need to trade with Greenland, Iceland or Europe for Iron and manufactured goods.
Even later on, when the Grand Banks started being exploited IOTL, the fish had to be 'prepared' (maybe by salting, but maybe just by air-drying instead: I don't know offhand) on Newfoundland before it was shipped back to Europe: That was why Newfoundland was settled by the British and the French. If they could do that then, why not earlier?The only thing I could think of that would be valuable enough and easy enough to discover that it could become a sustainable trans-Atlantic export would be fish from the Grand Banks.
I'm assuming (I could be wrong about this - I'm basing my assumption on material I've read online about potential Basque exploitation of the Grand Banks before Columbus) that before 1400-ish the nautical technology wasn't present for it to be worthwhile to export fish from the Grand Banks back to Europe. From what I understand, it wouldn't have been possible to sail the direct route from Newfoundland to Europe without a large risk of losing your ship, so any navigation would have to be via the old Norse route via greenland and Baffin Bay. Preserving fish for such a long sea voyage back to Europe would have been difficult, especially since the salt to do so would probably have to be shipped across the Atlantic from Europe.
Even later on, when the Grand Banks started being exploited IOTL, the fish had to be 'prepared' (maybe by salting, but maybe just by air-drying instead: I don't know offhand) on Newfoundland before it was shipped back to Europe: That was why Newfoundland was settled by the British and the French. If they could do that then, why not earlier?
Even later on, when the Grand Banks started being exploited IOTL, the fish had to be 'prepared' (maybe by salting, but maybe just by air-drying instead: I don't know offhand) on Newfoundland before it was shipped back to Europe: That was why Newfoundland was settled by the British and the French. If they could do that then, why not earlier?
Because fishing stocks in Europe may not have been exhausted to the point where it was wortwhile to do so.
One of the nations of the Haudenosaunee.
Of course if Vinland are home to large Christian states, Denmark would not push the claim, but if there was some record of a small bisporic being set up Denmark would push the claim (it was why Denmark was able to claim ownership of Greenland, because of the medieval bishopric).
In order to have a claim to Vinland, Denmark/Norway must first deal with the local Norse.
Not a trivial task. In OTL, Norway had a trade monopoly with Iceland and Greenland. Even so, getting Greenland and Iceland to submit took decades of lobbywork for the 13th century Norway.
If Vinland has even a few thousand Norse by 1250, then the OTL lobbying tools of Norway will NOT work on Vinland - because the Vinlanders having wood build their own ships and sail them, and if Norway makes trouble they go to Scotland or Ireland - and that fact will ALSO derail the OTL Norwegian subjugation of Greenland and Iceland.
Even if Vinland is a scattered bunch of settlements - central Althing is never formed, or is formed but falls apart during Vinland´s Sturlungaöld/civil war period - then without the leverage that Norwegian king OTL had over Iceland, the settlements are never subdued by Norway, or Norway subdues some and is then unsuccessful in holding them. Probably never subdued, for the same reasons Iceland was never subdued before 1262.
I was thinking of a bit later than that, in the late 1400s or early 1500s. Maybe the existence of Vinland encourages the Danish monarch to take part in the era off overseas expansion.