JJohnson
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Let's say that Klein Venedig held up, and there was some German colonization there. It survived to the present as a majority German country.
Also, Germans, based on this colony went to the largely unsettled Uruguay area in the mid to late 1600s, and started northwards, till they got stopped by the Portuguese, essentially colonizing the South Region of Brazil. What would that colony be called by the various Germans? And which German nation would own that land?
Overall I was trying to come up with a more diverse South America, and was researching the possibility of this:
British: Columbia/Caledonia as 'British Columbia' ; British Guiana; Patagonia
Dutch: Dutch Guiana, New Holland (northeast Brazil)
French: French Guiana
Spain: Peru, Bolivia
Portugal: Brazil
'Germany': South Region; Klein Venedig
I don't have much of a timeline to go on, but a few events I was looking at:
1528: Welser family gains colonial rights in Venezuela province in return for debts of Charles I of Spain. Ambrosius Ehinger brings 320 settlers to Neu Augsburg.
1529: Ehinger founds Neu-Nürnberg (OTL Maracaibo)
1539: Ambrosius Ehinger is succeeded as governor of Klein Venedig by Georg von Speyer till 1551.
1551: Phillip von Hutten's tenure as governor of Klein Venedig brings in more settlers, from the Holy Roman Empire, Austria, Courland, and even the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.
1590s: Drake's expedition to Panama succeeds, breaking Spanish forces there, making a future Scottish colony possible. A Scottish colony there results in success, splitting the Spanish colonies into north and south
1599: Klein Venedig is claimed by the Holy Roman Empire, its chief source of settlement coming from Rhineland, Brandenburg, Bavaria, Brunswick-Lüneburg, and several other small states. Settlement doesn't really take off till the late 18th century, but in 1620, a settlement is founded by Frederick Casimir.
1620: Frederick Casimir, with the help of Johann Becher, founds Neu Hanau colony, at Cayenne.
1620: Frederick Casimir and his adviser Johann Becher land at Süd Buchsweiler (OTL Cayenne), but the Portuguese forced them to abandon it two years later.
1624: French found the settlement of Araguerre (Araguari) in French Guiana (OTL Amapa). Portuguese attempt to force them to abandon the project, but the French manage to defeat the Portuguese on land in 1626 and 1628. German settlers, notably Ulrich Maier settle in what will become New Brandenburg. Small settlements dot the coast, starting at New Wittenberg (OTL Cabo Polonio)
1623: Germans found New Briesen (OTL Soriano)
1630: Dutch found New Holland, its capital at Mauritsstad (Recife)
1661: Treaty of the Hague: Dutch and Portuguese sign a treaty, establishing the Dutch line at the San Fransisco River (Sint Francis Rivier). New Holland becomes a focal point for immigration to South America for the Dutch, who also have some colonists in South Africa.
1664: French settle New Amien (OTL Macapa)
1685: Brandenburg Company's Frederick Kirchner becomes governor of New Brandenburg, making it the focus of settlement and exploitation for the German settlers, bringing in new settlers, and German troops.
1688-92: German-Spanish colonial war. In a surprise victory, Colonia falls to the German troops, who rename it New Cologne. In the Treaty of Aachen, the two sides agree that the Uruguay River will divide the two territories. Kirchner founds Weißburg (OTL Montevideo) as the stronghold and capital of the colony.
1692-9: Second Dutch-Portuguese Brazilian war, settled the western part of the colony at the Pindaré River.
1695: Company of Scotland succeeds in landing two expeditions at New Edinburgh. By 1704, the venture, though landing and sustaining a colony, and having resisted a failed attempt by the Spanish to destroy it, succeeded, it was bankrupting the crown of Scotland, prompting the Acts of Union in 1707. The Company of Scotland was eventually folded into the British West Indies Company, which became the British Columbia Company in 1783.
1700:
New Brandenburg: 9700 Germans
Klein Venedig: 32,500 Germans (including 2600 African slaves)
Caledonia: 590 Scottish
French Guiana: 2200 French
Dutch Guiana: 9200 Dutch
New Hanau: 2100 Germans
Dutch Brazil: 41,350 Dutch (including 4500 African slaves)
Brazil: 300,000 Portuguese
1815:
New Brandenburg: 29,700 Germans
Klein Venedig: 332,500 Germans (including 2600 African slaves)
British Columbia: 216,950 British, including Loyalists
British Guiana: 15,600 British, including Loyalists
French Guiana: 15,100 French
Dutch Guiana: 48,200 Dutch
New Hanau: 9,500 Germans
Dutch Brazil: 412,350 Dutch
Brazil: 3,250,000 Portuguese
1850:
New Brandenburg: 83,100 Germans
Klein Venedig: 1,572,500 Germans
British Columbia: 216,950 British, including Loyalists
British Guiana: 101,200 British, including Loyalists
French Guiana: 85,100 French
Dutch Guiana: 98,200 Dutch
New Hanau: 43,900 Germans
Dutch Brazil: 1,912,350 Dutch
Brazil: 7,256,000
I'm not too terribly familiar with the intricacies of the 17th and 18th century, so I might not have a super-plausible scenario. But it's still formative at this point.
Also, Germans, based on this colony went to the largely unsettled Uruguay area in the mid to late 1600s, and started northwards, till they got stopped by the Portuguese, essentially colonizing the South Region of Brazil. What would that colony be called by the various Germans? And which German nation would own that land?
Overall I was trying to come up with a more diverse South America, and was researching the possibility of this:
British: Columbia/Caledonia as 'British Columbia' ; British Guiana; Patagonia
Dutch: Dutch Guiana, New Holland (northeast Brazil)
French: French Guiana
Spain: Peru, Bolivia
Portugal: Brazil
'Germany': South Region; Klein Venedig
I don't have much of a timeline to go on, but a few events I was looking at:
1528: Welser family gains colonial rights in Venezuela province in return for debts of Charles I of Spain. Ambrosius Ehinger brings 320 settlers to Neu Augsburg.
1529: Ehinger founds Neu-Nürnberg (OTL Maracaibo)
1539: Ambrosius Ehinger is succeeded as governor of Klein Venedig by Georg von Speyer till 1551.
1551: Phillip von Hutten's tenure as governor of Klein Venedig brings in more settlers, from the Holy Roman Empire, Austria, Courland, and even the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.
1590s: Drake's expedition to Panama succeeds, breaking Spanish forces there, making a future Scottish colony possible. A Scottish colony there results in success, splitting the Spanish colonies into north and south
1599: Klein Venedig is claimed by the Holy Roman Empire, its chief source of settlement coming from Rhineland, Brandenburg, Bavaria, Brunswick-Lüneburg, and several other small states. Settlement doesn't really take off till the late 18th century, but in 1620, a settlement is founded by Frederick Casimir.
1620: Frederick Casimir, with the help of Johann Becher, founds Neu Hanau colony, at Cayenne.
1620: Frederick Casimir and his adviser Johann Becher land at Süd Buchsweiler (OTL Cayenne), but the Portuguese forced them to abandon it two years later.
1624: French found the settlement of Araguerre (Araguari) in French Guiana (OTL Amapa). Portuguese attempt to force them to abandon the project, but the French manage to defeat the Portuguese on land in 1626 and 1628. German settlers, notably Ulrich Maier settle in what will become New Brandenburg. Small settlements dot the coast, starting at New Wittenberg (OTL Cabo Polonio)
1623: Germans found New Briesen (OTL Soriano)
1630: Dutch found New Holland, its capital at Mauritsstad (Recife)
1661: Treaty of the Hague: Dutch and Portuguese sign a treaty, establishing the Dutch line at the San Fransisco River (Sint Francis Rivier). New Holland becomes a focal point for immigration to South America for the Dutch, who also have some colonists in South Africa.
1664: French settle New Amien (OTL Macapa)
1685: Brandenburg Company's Frederick Kirchner becomes governor of New Brandenburg, making it the focus of settlement and exploitation for the German settlers, bringing in new settlers, and German troops.
1688-92: German-Spanish colonial war. In a surprise victory, Colonia falls to the German troops, who rename it New Cologne. In the Treaty of Aachen, the two sides agree that the Uruguay River will divide the two territories. Kirchner founds Weißburg (OTL Montevideo) as the stronghold and capital of the colony.
1692-9: Second Dutch-Portuguese Brazilian war, settled the western part of the colony at the Pindaré River.
1695: Company of Scotland succeeds in landing two expeditions at New Edinburgh. By 1704, the venture, though landing and sustaining a colony, and having resisted a failed attempt by the Spanish to destroy it, succeeded, it was bankrupting the crown of Scotland, prompting the Acts of Union in 1707. The Company of Scotland was eventually folded into the British West Indies Company, which became the British Columbia Company in 1783.
1700:
New Brandenburg: 9700 Germans
Klein Venedig: 32,500 Germans (including 2600 African slaves)
Caledonia: 590 Scottish
French Guiana: 2200 French
Dutch Guiana: 9200 Dutch
New Hanau: 2100 Germans
Dutch Brazil: 41,350 Dutch (including 4500 African slaves)
Brazil: 300,000 Portuguese
1815:
New Brandenburg: 29,700 Germans
Klein Venedig: 332,500 Germans (including 2600 African slaves)
British Columbia: 216,950 British, including Loyalists
British Guiana: 15,600 British, including Loyalists
French Guiana: 15,100 French
Dutch Guiana: 48,200 Dutch
New Hanau: 9,500 Germans
Dutch Brazil: 412,350 Dutch
Brazil: 3,250,000 Portuguese
1850:
New Brandenburg: 83,100 Germans
Klein Venedig: 1,572,500 Germans
British Columbia: 216,950 British, including Loyalists
British Guiana: 101,200 British, including Loyalists
French Guiana: 85,100 French
Dutch Guiana: 98,200 Dutch
New Hanau: 43,900 Germans
Dutch Brazil: 1,912,350 Dutch
Brazil: 7,256,000
I'm not too terribly familiar with the intricacies of the 17th and 18th century, so I might not have a super-plausible scenario. But it's still formative at this point.