Question about the Japanese Empire

I apologize if the question seems rather dumb (it's very rare that I venture in this part of the forums) but I'm curious as to how well integrated the territories were under the Japanese empire by the Second World War, particularly in the South Pacific. Would it be safe to assume that say if the Second World War (and I mean Japan confronting the likes of the United States, Britain, France, etc.) had somehow been avoided, would it had been safe to say that say the locals in the Japanese-administrated South Pacific Mandate would had been completely assimilated or overwhelmed by settlers from the Home Islands?
 
I think that it is safe to assume that they would be overwhelmed with settlers, especially fisheren. Nobody can really fully assimilate into Japanese culture because Japanese culture doesn't really want to allow assimilation. They might speak Japanese and act Japanese but they wouldn't be considered fully Japanese by most people. Paradoxically, Japan will also try harder to eliminate indigeous culture and assimilate than most colonial powers. They will move people away if necessary and move people in to replace them. They will gladly move in Koreans and Chinese from other colonies as well thereby obtaining laborers for farms while overwhelming the island's demographics with outsiders.

Speaking of Korea, there will be collaboration a-plenty but there will never be true pacification or assimilation there. Taiwan might be able to be incorporated ok but not Korea. I say this based on what happened OTL; Taiwan was actually pacified to a large extent, unlike Japan's other asian colonies. Sooner or later they will have to let Korea go or face reprecussions for the brutality they would inevitably use to supress the place.
 
Their was some settlement by the Japanese in the islands and some integration, but overall the Territories were a mandate and thus not fully annexed until pretty late.

Another thing to was that it differed in different places, so for example in F.S. Micronesia ad the Marshall Islands their's little trace of being part of the Japanese Empire while in Palau Japanese is an officially recognized Regional Language

Taiwan was perhaps the most integrated area, since Japan wanted to make it a 'Model Colony' and the population came to accept Japanese Overlordship, indeed their was serious talk in the late 30's of Taiwan becoming an equal and fully integrated Prefecture.
 
Taiwan was perhaps the most integrated area, since Japan wanted to make it a 'Model Colony' and the population came to accept Japanese Overlordship, indeed their was serious talk in the late 30's of Taiwan becoming an equal and fully integrated Prefecture.
Wasn't it already several prefectures?
Not sure of their integration though.


I think that it is safe to assume that they would be overwhelmed with settlers, especially fisheren. Nobody can really fully assimilate into Japanese culture because Japanese culture doesn't really want to allow assimilation. They might speak Japanese and act Japanese but they wouldn't be considered fully Japanese by most people. Paradoxically, Japan will also try harder to eliminate indigeous culture and assimilate than most colonial powers. .
I wouldn't be too sure there.
With the Koreans- yes. The Japanese actively tried to stop Koreans assimilating and tried to keep them seperate.
With the Okinawans and the Ainu on the other hand they tried to totally integrate them. They just said "OK, those guys are Japanese, that is all", ignoring their unique ethnic identity, language, etc....

So yeah, with the south pacific I think its a given they'd be integrated/assimilated. Their numbers are small enough.
 
Wasn't it already several prefectures?
Not sure of their integration though.

Taiwan was comprised of several Prefectures, however these were Prefectures of Taiwan itself, it remained a Dpenedant Territory and was not formally integrated into the Metropole.
 
I wouldn't be too sure there.
With the Koreans- yes. The Japanese actively tried to stop Koreans assimilating and tried to keep them seperate.
With the Okinawans and the Ainu on the other hand they tried to totally integrate them. They just said "OK, those guys are Japanese, that is all", ignoring their unique ethnic identity, language, etc....

So yeah, with the south pacific I think its a given they'd be integrated/assimilated. Their numbers are small enough.

That raises a question: Why treat the Koreans so differently? After all, if any one group was an ethnic relation, it was them.

And, given where we are.... Was this inevitable?
 
I apologize if the question seems rather dumb (it's very rare that I venture in this part of the forums) but I'm curious as to how well integrated the territories were under the Japanese empire by the Second World War, particularly in the South Pacific. Would it be safe to assume that say if the Second World War (and I mean Japan confronting the likes of the United States, Britain, France, etc.) had somehow been avoided, would it had been safe to say that say the locals in the Japanese-administrated South Pacific Mandate would had been completely assimilated or overwhelmed by settlers from the Home Islands?

Japan would almost certainly have to avoid conflict with China, which was inevitable to an extent after the Mukden Incident in 1931.

With the Koreans- yes. The Japanese actively tried to stop Koreans assimilating and tried to keep them seperate.

This is an oversimplification, and most likely wrong as well. We already discussed this in another thread, but I'll reiterate some of the points here.

With the exception of changing personal names, which was only implemented in 1939 and actively enforced in the following year, Japanese policies were geared toward actively implementing assimilation policies. From the beginning of the occupation in 1910, Japan enforced its educational methods, including implementing Shinto ideology, such as loyalty to the emperor. The curriculum also ignored Korean history, and established Japanese as the main language. Although the Korean language was not entirely banned from the curriculum until the 1930s, its use was heavily curtailed and sidelined in favor of Japanese for the duration of the occupation.

In terms of the media, only one Korean newspaper was allowed to circulate until 1920. Although restrictions were relaxed afterward, until 1939, due to the independence movement in 1919, thousands of newspapers were seized due to sensitive political material. These methods suggest that the Japanese heavily monitored the media and attempted to censor certain parts in order to retain control over the population.

Regarding culture, almost all of the palaces were destroyed to the point where they are still being renovated, and replaced with Japanese government buildings. A committee was also set up in 1925 in order to systematically rewrite Korean history, limiting its identity to the peninsula, and stating that Korea had originated as a Chinese colony, then became a colony of Japan. Both claims were untrue, as Gojoseon, Buyeo, Goguryeo, and Balhae had all expanded from Manchuria, and prior Chinese and Korean records stated that the Korean states, starting with Gojoseon, had been politically independent. Not only were hundreds of volumes of fabricated versions of Korean history published, but thousands of historical artifacts were distorted or removed in order to justify the Japanese assumptions.

As a result, although the most radical policies were not implemented until 1937, due to the Second Sino-Japanese War, the ones before suggest that Japan intended to gradually assimilate Korea through cultural means, and eventually absorb it altogether beginning in the late 1930s/early 1940s.

That raises a question: Why treat the Koreans so differently? After all, if any one group was an ethnic relation, it was them.

And, given where we are.... Was this inevitable?

See above. The Japanese policies were mostly due to the fact that Korea as a whole had essentially remained as an independent identity for more than 2000 years, although there were occasional political divisions, and had continuously been a unified political entity for more than a thousand years. Because it would have been chaotic if numerous uprisings occurred due to nationalistic sentiments, the Japanese decided to suppress the population as a whole, both in terms of imprisonment/torture and cultural assimilation.
 
Historically the regions in the South Pacific were never held by the Japanese long enough to experience any form of real intergration. Hence to answer the question;

They were hardly intergrated at all, only occupied.

As others have pointed out from Korea and Manchuria we get a better idea of the state of affairs. The Japanese were very much 'pro-Japanese, don't give a toss about natives' where Japanese countrymen would be given land and place within society to go and settle elsewhere in somebody elses lands.

They didn't care hugely about getting the locals on their side. Although their are examples of their attempts. This is because the Japanese didn't see they social movements as emigrations, more than moving elsewhere for a time. So they were quite happy to let the natives carry on, so long as it didn't interfer with Japanese economics or decisions.

What was really wanted if for Japanese businesses to move in, set up a company with Japanese staff, produce whatever was needed and then sell that back to Japan or to the local people for profit. What the Japanese were of little interest in doing was helping the locals help themselves.

However what we must remember is this is a gross generalisation, and there were many attempts at intergration, the point is that the efforts were never really serious enough to be talking about real assimilation.
 

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What was really wanted if for Japanese businesses to move in, set up a company with Japanese staff, produce whatever was needed and then sell that back to Japan or to the local people for profit. What the Japanese were of little interest in doing was helping the locals help themselves.

You literally just described every Imperial power to ever exist.
 
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