Queen Victoria dies in 1840

Major English royal line change, unless extremist is on the throne no important butterfies

so have the same head of State for 60 some odd years didn't change the UK at all? the Victorian era would happen without Victoria? :rolleyes: ok....... and the re-Personal Union of the UK and Hanover will not change history in a big way? :rolleyes:
 

sprite

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It all depends on which month in 1840 she was assasinated, 1840 was a strange year for the succession, people were dying within months of each other and has the ability to cause some troubles.

Also, who assasinated her? It would have serious repercussions regarding the regency and throughout British society in general.
 
If the Britain-Hanover personal union was reestablished, perhaps the British would have gotten into the Austro-Prussian war on the side of the Habsburgs. Or, likewise, could British influence have kept Hanover out of the war?
 

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10 June, by Edward Oxford

Edward Oxford is hanged for regicide

Then Ernest Augustus would become King Ernest Augustus I of Great Britain.

I suspect Ernest would at first command a great deal of popularity following the assasination of the then pregnant Victoria.

A reactionary man, he would not sit well with the hands-off nature of the British Crown and as time moved forward there would have been friction.

I don't think he would have allowed the Corn Laws passed, in fact Peel may even be recalled. The dystopian in me wants King Ernest to invite Wellington to form another government and give those Chartists what for.

With a blind heir, a government of ultras and a reactionary king, Britain may be swept up the 1848 revolutions.

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Along with all that, Haemophilia would probably be less of an issue for the royal houses of the world as Victoria doesn't have any children to marry off.
 

Susano

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If the Britain-Hanover personal union was reestablished, perhaps the British would have gotten into the Austro-Prussian war on the side of the Habsburgs. Or, likewise, could British influence have kept Hanover out of the war?

The former wouldnt fly with parliament at all - which was the power, not the Queen. The second one is more likely. After all, in Hannover the monarch was still absolute, but if hes more focused on Great Britain... of course, neutrality might not save Hannover frpom being recruited by force into the North German Confederation.

But yes, first there is 1848 to consider anyways...
 
If Victoria dies before giving birth to her first daughter or indeed if Victoria II came to the throne that butterflies out "Willie the stupid". If Princess Victoria were not born neither could her son be.

If Victoria II looked likely I do not see her marrying child of a major power monarch.
 
i like the idea of Ernest Augustus I taking the Crown,
as said the death of Victoria wipes out a lot of big names in 1900's royalty, on top of Willie, there's Alexandra Feodorovna, Victoria Eugenie, Princess Sophie, Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, Louise Mountbatten,
 
One wonders whether there would be moves to ease the Royal Marriages Act because the British royal family is getting VERY short of legitimate royals. Ernst August only has one son, whilst the Duke of Cambridge is the next legitimate heir. OTL Cambridge's son (the second Duke) married in contravention of the Act and his children were not considered royal. The same for ALL of the Duke of Sussex's children. Either Ernst, or perhaps more likely George V, might rescind the Act and retrospectively legitimise these as royals.

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I don't know about that because they weren't that short of legitimate heirs in 1840 see below.
Assuming Edward Oxford's success then accession of Ernst of Hannover and reunion of Britain and Hannover (I doubt he'd be King Ernst in Britain he would I suspect chose another regnal name). It might prevent Hannover siding with Austria instead of Prussia .
And bear in mind that British military involvement to defend Hannover depended entirely on Parliament as the Act of Settlement of 1701 makes clear -England will not wage war for "any dominions or territories which do not belong to the Crown of England, without the consent of Parliament."
The political effects on Britain should technically be minimal though.
There were other attempts to assasinate the Queen but the next one was in May 1842 after the 1841 birth of Prince Albert Edward in November of 1841.
Had she been killed after the birth of Princess Victoria but before the birth of her first son then the provisions of the Regency Act of 1840 made Prince Albert Regent despite his general unpopularity at that time.

Line of Succession as of 21st November 1840
1) Princess Victoria (born 21st November 1840 died 1901)
2) Ernst Augustus 1 King of Hannover, Duke of Cumberland and Teviotdale (born 5th June 1771 died 18th November 1851) (hannover wasn't greatly affected by the 1848 revolutions though and Ernst Augustus did grant a new constitution afterwards)
3) Prince George of Hannover (born 27th May 1819 died 1878) UNMARRIED IN 1840
4) Prince Augustus Frederick, Duke of Sussex (27 January 1773 - 21 April 1843), married in contravention of the Royal Marriages Act - morganatic issue)
5) Prince Adolphus, Duke of Cambridge (24 February 1774 - 8 July 1850),
6) Prince George, 2nd Duke of Cambridge 26 March 1819 17 March 1904 (UNMARRIED IN 1840)
7) Princess Augusta of Cambridge 19 July 1822 to 4 December 1916 (UNMARRIED IN 1840)
8) Princess Mary Adelaide of Cambridge 27 November 1833 to 27 October 1897 (UNMARRIED IN 1840)
(That exhausts the male line descendants of George III of Great Britain and Hannover)
Next in line were George III's two surviving childless daughters -
9) The Princess Mary, Duchess of Gloucester and Edinburgh (25 April 1776 - 30 April 1857) (eldest surviving daughter of George III - her three older sisters all died childless)
10) The Princess Sophia (2 November 1777 - 27 May 1848)

Next successors male line descendant of Frederick Prince of Wales (son of George II)

11) HRH Princess Sophia of Gloucester (29 May 1773 - 29 November 1844) (UNMARRIED)

Next you would have the female line descendants of Frederick Prince of Wales (son of George II) which i won't list but would include the Dukes of Brunswick, The King of Wurttemburg, The Queen Consort of the Netherlands and several Danish princesses.
 

Susano

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2) Ernst Augustus 1 King of Hannover, Duke of Cumberland and Teviotdale (born 5th June 1771 died 18th November 1851) (hannover wasn't greatly affected by the 1848 revolutions though and Ernst Augustus did grant a new constitution afterwards)
The Göttingen Seven would beg to differ. Seriously, thats not true. Hannover was one of the states which had to grant a liberal constitution which was later rescinded.

Still, 1848 might not be such a big issue. I dunno how exactly it went down in Hannover, but at worst the Prussians will take care of it.
 
The Göttingen Seven would beg to differ. Seriously, thats not true. Hannover was one of the states which had to grant a liberal constitution which was later rescinded.

Still, 1848 might not be such a big issue. I dunno how exactly it went down in Hannover, but at worst the Prussians will take care of it.

Er... The personal union is going to screw things over big time. Yes, Prussia is still probably going to make a grab for Northern Germany; even failing that (and "the allies have the UK onside" is going to give even Bismarck pause) I know German nationalism was a big thing, and disunited Germany forever with a post-1806 POD is stupid, you don't have to tell me, but stapling the third- or forth-most important German state to the UK is going to make huge changes.

God only knows what would happen in the UK if the Prussians stomp on Gottingen etc, whether or not Ernst wants them to, but I really wouldn't't like to guess. In 1848, by continental standards (and chartist suppression aside) the UK was a bunch of raving pinko commies.
 

Susano

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Er... The personal union is going to screw things over big time. Yes, Prussia is still probably going to make a grab for Northern Germany; even failing that (and "the allies have the UK onside" is going to give even Bismarck pause) I know German nationalism was a big thing, and disunited Germany forever with a post-1806 POD is stupid, you don't have to tell me, but stapling the third- or forth-most important German state to the UK is going to make huge changes.

God only knows what would happen in the UK if the Prussians stomp on Gottingen etc, whether or not Ernst wants them to, but I really wouldn't't like to guess. In 1848, by continental standards (and chartist suppression aside) the UK was a bunch of raving pinko commies.

Eh? If at all, if my pan-germanism came out Id agree with you, after all, Prussia stomped down the wonderful 1848 everywhere!

Prussia intervened nearly everywhere on the invitation of the concerned monarchs. Ernest August will hardly be different. Hannover is after all no part of the UK and never was - its just in personal union, with the UK being parliamentarian but Hannover being absolutist. I mean, even back then political factions can twist their positions and word pretty wildly, but on the Parliamentarians saying on the one hand "Hannover is not our concern" but on the other "Oh my god, the King invited the Prussians in!" will just not fly. Yes, Ernest August might lose popularity in Great Britain for allowing the Prussians into Hannover, but then hell be one of the most unpopular Kings of England/Scotland/Great Britain/UK anyways.

More interesting is the "Princess Royal Victoria survives" scenario. I mean, its nearly impossible she would marry Frederick (III) in such a scenario, but the thought alone is funny - a German-British personal union in the 19th century! A Hohenzollern Britain with a PoD different from Nekromans' one :D
 
Eh? If at all, if my pan-germanism came out Id agree with you, after all, Prussia stomped down the wonderful 1848 everywhere!

Prussia intervened nearly everywhere on the invitation of the concerned monarchs. Ernest August will hardly be different. Hannover is after all no part of the UK and never was - its just in personal union, with the UK being parliamentarian but Hannover being absolutist. I mean, even back then political factions can twist their positions and word pretty wildly, but on the Parliamentarians saying on the one hand "Hannover is not our concern" but on the other "Oh my god, the King invited the Prussians in!" will just not fly. Yes, Ernest August might lose popularity in Great Britain for allowing the Prussians into Hannover, but then hell be one of the most unpopular Kings of England/Scotland/Great Britain/UK anyways.

More interesting is the "Princess Royal Victoria survives" scenario. I mean, its nearly impossible she would marry Frederick (III) in such a scenario, but the thought alone is funny - a German-British personal union in the 19th century! A Hohenzollern Britain with a PoD different from Nekromans' one :D

...Where can one make bulk purchases on tissues? :D

Personal unions in the nineteenth century will always be tricky - you have to balance the differing national interests with the default alliance that will be there. It's why I never continued with ASCOT [Anglo-Dutch personal union], and why I'm having trouble with Astonishing the World.

Even harder than that - personal unions in the twentieth century. How could we pull THAT one off, folks?
 
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