Queen Jane's Reign

[The Professor]

Let's assume that Jane successfully maintains her crown as Queen of England and Ireland.

What events are likely during her reign?
How is Mary treated?
Do we see an earlier Armada?
What happens with Elisabeth?

etc etc

 

[hasdrubal barca]

Since Elizabeth was, kind of, supporting Mary in her coming to power i could see her getting into some trouble.

On another note what role do you see Mary Queen of Scots playing in her reign this?

 

[The Professor]

Since Elizabeth was, kind of, supporting Mary in her coming to power i could see her getting into some trouble.

On another note what role do you see Mary Queen of Scots playing in her reign this?

I think Elizabeth is smart enough to play ball.

Mary QoS I'm not sure about it depends how her own reign and marriages goes.


My impression on reading around on Jane is that she is a bit like Elizabeth - smart and practical but a bit stubborn sometimes.
I'd think that she'd either marry Elisabeth off to a safe ally - Denmark? - or keep her "locked" away in luxury as Mary did.

 

[Ladymadchan]

I would be interested in how Queen Jane was able to stay in power. What happened with Mary Tudor and is she a threat?

 

[Evan]

I would be interested in how Queen Jane was able to stay in power. What happened with Mary Tudor and is she a threat?

Dead or in captivity, I'm almost sure. I heard that Northumberland (Jane's father-in-law, the real power behind the throne who convinced her to take it) had sent letters to Mary and Elizabeth purporting to be from Edward, on his deathbed, asking them to come to London. If they'd come, of course, they'd have been captured - but neither of them did.

 

[katchen]

I think Queen Jane would marry Elizabeth off to Prince Eric of Sweden, who was looking for a bride at the time. That match almost came off but for the awkward fact that both heirs inherited their kingdoms at the same time. Butterfly that away with Queen Jane and Elizabeth makes a fine mate and ally to Eric IX until he goes mad. Some of the Swedes on the list tell me if she could have taken over from Eric if she had been his Queen when he went mad or died

.If she could, Sweden would have had strong, level headed rule. I don't know if she would have been more successful with the war to take over Denmark than Eric was alone. Perhaps, especially if she could call upon her sister's help with ships. Or taken Norway in stages beginning with Norrland to establish a window on the Atlantic. Whether Gustavus Adolphus would have become King or been butterflied away as a minor prince/gifted general in the mode of Lennart Torstensen would depend on whether Elizabeth could have children or not. An Elizabethan Sweden (if that was legally possible at the time) would definitely make a blue water navy a priority and compete head to head with England that way.

As for England under Queen Jane, both would face much the same challenges that Elizabeth did, including most likely the Spanish Armada. But Sweden/Scania would loom more in England's calculations as an ally/competitor along the same lines as the Netherlands.

 

[Rich Rostrom]

Let's assume that Jane successfully maintains her crown as Queen of England and Ireland.

What events are likely during her reign?

The big question is how long Northumberland can dominate her. She disliked her husband, his son Guildford. Northumberland had many enemies and would make more. Jane might reach out to them, and thus instead of going down with him as his puppet, help bring him down and even become leader of the anti-Northumberland group.

Then she has to get rid of Guildford. Possibly he is condemned with his father.

How is Mary treated?

Northumberland has her chopped right away.

Do we see an earlier Armada?

No.

What happens with Elizabeth?

With Mary gone, she's the rightful heir. That makes her a threat. Northumberland may want to chop her too, but on what grounds? He may try to use her against Jane - do what I want or I'll replace you. It would be amusing to see them make common cause against him, but that's too good to be possible. One question is: how ambitious was Elizabeth in her own right? How much did she want to be Queen?

Because the situation is very dangerous for both Jane and her. If Elizabeth is recognized as rightful Queen and takes power, it means Jane is deposed as a usurper and gets chopped. Jane for her own safety may chop Elizabeth.

Wildcard scenario: Jane decides she really wants out from under Northumberland and Guildford, and conspires to elevate Elizabeth as part of the anti-Northumberland coup. The Dudleys get chopped, and Jane blows town, having formally recognized Elizabeth. Then again, Elizabeth or her faction may take no chances and chop Jane anyway. She's just too dangerous.

The one thing favoring co-existence is that they're both Protestants. Neither has to worry about the other rallying the other religious faction.

 

[Velasco]

I'm not certain Elizabeth was as radically Protestant as her brother, Jane, and that whole lot. She certainly preserved a love of various Catholic traditions/pageantry/ostentation to the very end. She was raised under her father's Catholic-but-jurisdictionally-autonomous regime and happily played the part of a Catholic princess - not just during Mary's reign, but on other occassions when it was expedient to do so: cf. for example her claims to King Philip of only differing from him on a handful of matters (I'm guessing the nature of the communion, use of the Bible in the vernacular, clerical marriage perhaps, not sure what else). In different circumstances I don't think Elizabeth would have any qualms about proceeding similar to OTL Lady Catherine Grey, a 'Protestant' noblewoman who looked to Spain and the Spanish ambassador for advice and support.

 

[hasdrubal barca]

Dead or in captivity, I'm almost sure. I heard that Northumberland (Jane's father-in-law, the real power behind the throne who convinced her to take it) had sent letters to Mary and Elizabeth purporting to be from Edward, on his deathbed, asking them to come to London. If they'd come, of course, they'd have been captured - but neither of them did.

The Duke of Norfolk was sort of friends with Mary do you think he would present a problem for Jane?

 

[hasdrubal barca]

I'm not certain Elizabeth was as radically Protestant as her brother, Jane, and that whole lot. She certainly preserved a love of various Catholic traditions/pageantry/ostentation to the very end..

That maybe true for the most part but there are a few things that one could point to that could show her as being in your words "radically Protestant". One figure that people can point two is Richard Topcliffe and one event is the execution of 600 Catholics in Durham,1569, who's only crime was trying to restore Catholic mass in the town. Other than this i suppose she was mild.

sources
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Topcliffe

"When Merry England was a Police State" by Alexander Canduci

 

[mcdnab]

Jane's claim is based on Edward's device which in itself ignored Parliamentary statute (the final Henrician succession Act and Henry's Will) - as he died before it could be enacted into any form of law.
Edward's device removed Mary and Elizabeth because of their 'bastardy'.
Jane was only really chosen because Edward couldn't disinherit Mary in favour of Elizabeth with any great ease.
However the vast majority of the population and a fair number of more influential figures will regard Jane as a usurper. The entire privy council switched sides in OTL after swearing to recognise Jane.
Jane (or those attempting to rule on her behalf) are going to be no more lenient with Elizabeth (who to Catholic Europe is definitely illegitimate) than they are with Mary.
A continuation of Edward's more radical protestant policy under Queen Jane is going to continue to rankle with many.
As to Mary and Elizabeth - well the choice for Jane and Northumberland is stark - if they allow them to live or marry either domestically of abroad they will continue to provide a focus for rebellion (whether they support it or not) by anyone iwth a grudge against the regime (just as Elizabeth proved a focus for resentments against Mary and Catholicisim in OTL)

Elizabeth true religion is probably closer to the Anglo-Catholicism of her father than the more reformed traditions espoused by her brother.
The difference between all three of Henry's children is that the eldest (Mary) and the youngest (Edward) were far more alike in their views of their differing faiths adn their intolerance of other positions - Elizabeth was the pragmatist in the middle.
To be fair Elizabeth's religious settlement is very close to that of Edward's.

 

[Ladymadchan]

If Mary continues to live, what are the chances that Charles V intervening in the hopes of restoring Catholicism to England? In their view, Mary was never illegitimate to begin with. Queen Jane mary very quickly be viewed as usurping Mary's throne.

 

[Lord Grattan]

If Mary continues to live, what are the chances that Charles V intervening in the hopes of restoring Catholicism to England? In their view, Mary was never illegitimate to begin with. Queen Jane may very quickly be viewed as usurping Mary's throne.

Mary's arrest, condemnation and execution would be #1 priority of Northumberland et.al; it's essential to the consolidation of their power and Jane's place upon the throne. The longer Mary lives the less likely it becomes that this happens. The scenario you suggest is a real possibility, one to be avoided, and the supporters of Queen Jane understood this.