Quebec Joins the American Revolution

Due to some PoD in which Quebec is subject to the Intolerable Acts, Quebec sends delegates to Philadelphia and signs the Declaration of Independence

Firstly, how does the subsequent war progress?

Secondly, how are talks over the forming of the U.S. impacted?

Thirdly, how does this U.S. fare with Quebec included?
 
In the South colonies, the Quebec Act was portrayed as a way to unload Britain's Catholics into Quebec. Then the large numbers of Catholics will run out of space and Ohio and Kentucky (I'm referring to the modern geographical areas, I think only Ohio even got a name at this point) will be allocated to them and the will overrun all that pristine land. Or as cracked.com puts it, the Pariotr press made it seem like Parliament was turning Quebec into a ray gun which shoots Popes, lasers, and Pope lasers. Yeah, the logic never really made any sense. Given the anti-Catholic sentiment in the Southern colonies, I don't see why Quebec would throw its lot in with the rebels.
 
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I think the fear was more that the colonist thought they were going to have a feudal/authoritarian system of government imposed on them, and an attempt was going to be made to turn Anglicanism back into something more Catholic - under the pretext of expanding Quebec.

Due to some PoD in which Quebec is subject to the Intolerable Acts, Quebec sends delegates to Philadelphia and signs the Declaration of Independence

Firstly, how does the subsequent war progress?
I don't know how Carleton makes out, but the hair on the back of his neck is probably standing on end. I think the Canadiens will be waiting to see how events unfold, but will be more neutral than OTL, so he will have almost no Canadien volunteers. He might skip out to Nova Scotia or Newfoundland early, but it is just as likely that he gets caught. Carleton seems like a level headed person that strove to maintain good relations with the Canadiens. So the Brits having him administer the area was beneficial for their cause, and his loss will be a great detriment.

As soon as word of Ft. St Jean falling reaches Quebec, that city will go for the Patriot cause. I would guess that the Canadien Patriots would raise 5 to 9 regiments. If the Patriots can scoot up to Nova Scotia quickly enough they can take over Halifax. This at the extreme of plausibility, and would require an earlier French (covert) intervention, or more success with the Boston Campaign. I don't think Halifax can be held against sea attack, so there will be a slog through Canada. The number of troops the British sent will push the Patriots back into New York so we could either have a big battle at Ticonderoga, or a repeat of Saratoga if the Patriots don't stumble in their strategic withdrawals. But the Patriots will have to send an army back into Canada to free it from the Brits. The upside is they wont have time to go genocide the neutral Iroquois. Maybe France can pull together a naval assault on Halifax, but I don't think it likely.

Secondly, how are talks over the forming of the U.S. impacted?
I think the Articles of Confederation get passed. At least the St. Lawrence River Watershed goes to the Patriots. I think ownership of Nova Scotia (& associated territories) will depend on local sentiment, and you might end up with Patriots leaving there as UEL come in. Rupert's Land, British Columbia, the Northwest Territory, and Newfoundland are staying British for now. I am not sure how ownership of Labrador, the Floridas, Bermuda, or the Bahamas works out. Getting Canada to give up their excess territorial claims will be more difficult than the New Englanders and Virginians I think.

Thirdly, how does this U.S. fare with Quebec included?
If a new constitution is ratified it will be looser, and more protective of individual state rights. I don't think Canada will care for the Quasi War, a War of 1812, or about the slavery debate at all. This Canada will likely support purchasing the Louisiana Territory, and support expanding further north and west. I think they will be ambivalent about an annexation of the Republic of Texas. I don't know how they would feel about the Mexican-American War, but I don't think they would support an invasion of a secessionist state.
 
This would be bad for literally everyone involved. It would make more sense for Bermuda to join the Patriots.

Also... cracked.com? Really? They aren’t an altogether horrible source, but pretty much everything is an exaggeration that inevitable gets taken as gospel by many in the comment section.
 
Due to some PoD in which Quebec is subject to the Intolerable Acts, Quebec sends delegates to Philadelphia and signs the Declaration of Independence

Firstly, how does the subsequent war progress?

Secondly, how are talks over the forming of the U.S. impacted?

Thirdly, how does this U.S. fare with Quebec included?
Given that the Quebec Act was listed amongst the intolerable acts... Yeah it's not happening.
 

Lusitania

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Sorry but the French elite and Catholic Church wanted nothing to do with Americans rebels who wereanti Catholic and anti French. Change that and you can get them to galvanize the French speaking population to fight the British.

As a Canadian (yes I am one of those too) I find it interesting that every 3-6 months we get the same question regarding the French in Quebec joining the Rebellion against the British. We need to realize that being Catholic in the 13 colonies was not easy this was due to the anti-catholic sentiment and feelings of the British had come over to the colonies. Heck it was easier for Jews to be accepted as citizens in the colonies than Catholics.

The Anti-catholic sentiment brought over from Britain had grown in the 13 colonies. The French and Spanish who were catholic armed the natives who fought the settlers. The Quebec Act was viewed negatively and regardless that the French in Quebec were not benefiting from the act it acted to reinforce anti catholic feelings.

The British went along way to placate the French elite and catholic church in Quebec after capturing it from the French. The British had decided to let the French alone as long as they were allowed to control trade within Quebec. Reason being British English speaking settlers were happy and prosperous to the south in the 13 colonies so there was no need to displace the French.
 
I wonder which attitude gets more inflated in this perennial discussion: That the Catholics in Quebec wanted nothing to do with the Americans, or that the Americans wanted nothing to do with the Catholics in Quebec.
 
I wonder which attitude gets more inflated in this perennial discussion: That the Catholics in Quebec wanted nothing to do with the Americans, or that the Americans wanted nothing to do with the Catholics in Quebec.
Tbh I think it's the attitude that everyone and their mother would join the rebellion if it wasn't for "damn British oppression" or something.
 

Lusitania

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I wonder which attitude gets more inflated in this perennial discussion: That the Catholics in Quebec wanted nothing to do with the Americans, or that the Americans wanted nothing to do with the Catholics in Quebec.

Listen I never said that nobody in Quebec would of joined the rebellion I said the French elite and Catholic Church were satisfied with the arrangement they had plus there was a general negative attitude all around against Catholic. If people disagree I suggest they review anti-catholic legislation from several states both before the revolt and after 1777..

So there was a lot of mistrust on both sides and It would of taken a lot for the French Canadians to risk their position to advocate joining the rebellion. Plus sorry if they did succeed they would of wanted to be free and independent not a small minority in a Protestant English speaking country. Oh wait they already were.
 
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Even if Quebec were to rebel against Britain, which requires a POD of the Treaty of Paris not forcing Britain to treat the Quebecois well and subsequent British oppression, I suspect it would proclaim independence as a kingdom (Royaume de Canada) in personal union with France. It’s really far too conservative to be part of a republic, especially an Anglophone and Protestant one.
 
Even if Quebec were to rebel against Britain, which requires a POD of the Treaty of Paris not forcing Britain to treat the Quebecois well and subsequent British oppression, I suspect it would proclaim independence as a kingdom (Royaume de Canada) in personal union with France. It’s really far too conservative to be part of a republic, especially an Anglophone and Protestant one.


And even if they proclaimed independence, could they make it stick?

There's a lot of wilderness between Quebec and the other colonies, so it's probably more easily accessible by sea than by land. So a British force from Nova Scotia may well retake it.
 
Listen I never said that nobody in Quebec would of joined the rebellion I said the French elite and Catholic Church were satisfied with the arrangement they had plus there was a general negative attitude all around against Catholic. If people disagree I suggest they review anti-catholic legislation from several states both before the revolt and after 1777..

So there was a lot of mistrust on both sides and It would of taken a lot for the French Canadians to risk their position to advocate joining the rebellion. Plus sorry if they did succeed they would of wanted to be free and independent not a small minority in a Protestant English speaking country. Oh wait they already were.

Joining the rebellion would just mean fighting together and then living separately in 2 different political entities.

The French North Americans and the British North Americans had been the closest thing to what had been described by hereditary enemies for the previous century when the American revolution broke out.

And given the unbalance, the French Americans will want to reestablish the severed link with Metropolitan France. And anyway they both will need the massive military and financial support of France

Other problem is what future settlement the French and the Americans will agree on ? It must be stressed that the most untolerable of all untolerable Acts were the ones never mentioned : the proclamation line and the Quebec Act of 1774 that set the border of Quebec on the Ohio river and upper Mississippi. Will the Americans agree on that to have the French Americans join them while it was the number one cause of their rebellion (access to the Ohio valley they had fought to earn during the last and recent French and Indian war) ?

By all standards, the French Americans not rebelling against Britain’s rule was the best situation for the American insurgents.
 
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