Asami
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Colonel Muammar al-Qaddafi overthrew the Libyan monarchy in the late 1960s, but was deposed during the South African War after starting a war with Chad that saw Libya get defeated.
Colonel Muammar al-Qaddafi overthrew the Libyan monarchy in the late 1960s, but was deposed during the South African War after starting a war with Chad that saw Libya get defeated.
Asami
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Changed my mind. He was deposed by his own officer corps during the South African War, after a disasterous war with Chad over a border dispute. He was openly executed for his crimes.
So, what are the main tenets of Europopulism? Is it even a coherent ideology or a "catch-all" term?
Asami
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It's a catch-all term. There are a whole plethora of parties that all in their own way have their ideas about what "Europopulism" should mean. The dominant party is very far-right and authoritarian.
How popular is the European Federation among it's citizens? Is there large-scale genuine support for said EF? Also, has the EF been backing any seperatist movements in the USSR and China (aside from Baltic nationalists, who the EF certainly backs)?
Just one, and only one question. Nobody asked where Obama was all the time, and I'd like to know.
Great timeline, by the way!
Great timeline, by the way!
United Kingdom (2030)
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The House of Commons of the United Kingdom as of 2030, during the reign of King George VII.
His Royal Majesty, King George VII of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland
Prime Minister Marshall Tracy (Reform)
The Reform-Conservative Coalition is in a precarious place, as the Labour Party seems fit to shatter the alliance that has dominated British politics in the past decade. Prime Minister Marshall Tracy is facing a crisis of no confidence as the European Commonwealth has increased agitation campaigns in Northern Ireland, as well as the defection of a Reform MP to the SDP in late 2029. Labour has pledged, among other things, renewed ties with the Central European Defense Organization (constituting Germany, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary and Austria) and the Tripartite Alliance of the United States, Soviet Union, and People's Republic of China.
The United Kingdom, despite their very strong conservative bent, is staunchly loyal to the Tripartite Alliance and the nations who co-exist within it, with Prime Minister Tracy emphasizing their country's close relation to the United States, even if they have ideological disagreements on consorting with the Soviet Union and China. Despite perennial efforts to stymie social change and social welfare programs, the NHS is still around, as the SDP and Labour have managed to make it a hostage in negotiations. If the Tories and Reform axe NHS, then Labour and SDP will scream bloody murder.
A contentious point for Britons and in Parliament, is Britain's role in Defensive Doctrine. Since the 2010s, the Soviet Union, China and the United States have hosted air and military installations in Britain, as part of an agreement with London. Frequent military exercises disturb people in their homes as Spetsnaz and Green Berets do their business.
Despite this, the British people are very comfortable, and have found a happy peace, ignoring for a brief moment, the occassional dust-up in Northern Ireland.
His Royal Majesty, King George VII of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland
Prime Minister Marshall Tracy (Reform)
The Reform-Conservative Coalition is in a precarious place, as the Labour Party seems fit to shatter the alliance that has dominated British politics in the past decade. Prime Minister Marshall Tracy is facing a crisis of no confidence as the European Commonwealth has increased agitation campaigns in Northern Ireland, as well as the defection of a Reform MP to the SDP in late 2029. Labour has pledged, among other things, renewed ties with the Central European Defense Organization (constituting Germany, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary and Austria) and the Tripartite Alliance of the United States, Soviet Union, and People's Republic of China.
The United Kingdom, despite their very strong conservative bent, is staunchly loyal to the Tripartite Alliance and the nations who co-exist within it, with Prime Minister Tracy emphasizing their country's close relation to the United States, even if they have ideological disagreements on consorting with the Soviet Union and China. Despite perennial efforts to stymie social change and social welfare programs, the NHS is still around, as the SDP and Labour have managed to make it a hostage in negotiations. If the Tories and Reform axe NHS, then Labour and SDP will scream bloody murder.
A contentious point for Britons and in Parliament, is Britain's role in Defensive Doctrine. Since the 2010s, the Soviet Union, China and the United States have hosted air and military installations in Britain, as part of an agreement with London. Frequent military exercises disturb people in their homes as Spetsnaz and Green Berets do their business.
Despite this, the British people are very comfortable, and have found a happy peace, ignoring for a brief moment, the occassional dust-up in Northern Ireland.
People's Republic of China (2030)
Asami
Banned
The Century Belongs to China.
The Beacon of Deng Xiaoping Thought Illuminates Democracy.
Freedom Is The Virtue By Which China Prospers.
These are all slogans created by the Chinese government to bolster democratic sentiment at home. In the nearly one hundred years since China's communist dictatorship came into existence, the Chinese nation has blossomed to new heights. By 2030, the woes of the last economic recession have gone away, and the nation has found itself under strong, and relatively speaking, young leadership. Democratic Awakening, a liberal political organization whose origins draw from British Hong Kong, is the dominant party, controlling not only the largest share of seats in the National People's Congress, but the Pan-Yellow Coalition.
For many historians, China has fulfilled Sun Yat-sen's Three Principles with gusto, the last vestiges of Maoism and Chiangism buried beneath a crushing sea of socialism and liberal thought mixing and mingling. The old Democratic Progressive Party, whose contributions to the state include well-beloved Chairman Yu, have fallen into the periphery as well, unwilling to commit to the Pan-Yellow or Pan-Red movement. Rumors persist of the Kuomintang banding together with the DPP to form Pan-Blue, but Yin Han, Premier of the Kuomintang, has refused to consort with liberalism.
But it does remain The Chinese Century.
The Beacon of Deng Xiaoping Thought Illuminates Democracy.
Freedom Is The Virtue By Which China Prospers.
These are all slogans created by the Chinese government to bolster democratic sentiment at home. In the nearly one hundred years since China's communist dictatorship came into existence, the Chinese nation has blossomed to new heights. By 2030, the woes of the last economic recession have gone away, and the nation has found itself under strong, and relatively speaking, young leadership. Democratic Awakening, a liberal political organization whose origins draw from British Hong Kong, is the dominant party, controlling not only the largest share of seats in the National People's Congress, but the Pan-Yellow Coalition.
For many historians, China has fulfilled Sun Yat-sen's Three Principles with gusto, the last vestiges of Maoism and Chiangism buried beneath a crushing sea of socialism and liberal thought mixing and mingling. The old Democratic Progressive Party, whose contributions to the state include well-beloved Chairman Yu, have fallen into the periphery as well, unwilling to commit to the Pan-Yellow or Pan-Red movement. Rumors persist of the Kuomintang banding together with the DPP to form Pan-Blue, but Yin Han, Premier of the Kuomintang, has refused to consort with liberalism.
But it does remain The Chinese Century.
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Barack Obama is an American politician, and the senior Senator for the State of Hawaii to the United States Senate. Following the collapse of the Democratic Party in the 2010s, Senator Obama became the leader for the Liberal Party in the Senate. He is currently Majority Leader, and the oldest serving Senator. He was first elected in 1996, and was a notable survivor of the 2002 terrorist attacks which killed President Conyers and Vice President Sanders.
Lovely Timeline I read - at least from the 70s onwards - because an ISOT in a mapgame was "described" with Read Qilai! Qilai!, @Asami !
What I didn't quite understand was: How did the GDR (DDR) and the Warsaw Pact dissolve, and when? Earlier than 1990? And how did a non-SED candidate become General Secretary?
But all my other questions are post-2005:
What became of Germany post-Volksaufstand, @Asami ? Did freedom and democracy return, and if yes, what form of it? Do we have a Second Amendment now? What happened to the Grundgesetz? And could the Allianz der Parteien für die Sicherheit Deutschlands (excellent grammatical knowledge, by the way!) maybe be abbreviated AfD? Or would it rather be APSD or APS or even APD?
I have come to picture "Europopulism" as Europe-wide franquismo/Estado Novo. Could that be correct? Francoism has no real ideological tenet like communism, Marxism, Leninism or something, but it is ultra-conservative, authoritarian, clericalist, and otherwise plays the institutions (military, church, syndicates, the Party,...) against each other. And it would have to use the three F for which the Estado Novo is known for: Fado, Fatima, e Futebol.
What authoritarian laws are there in the EF that make it unviable to visit the Eiffel Tower and the Western Mediterranean? Where do Germans go on holiday instead if Mallorca is "enemy territory" - has maybe Korfu, Krk or Hvar become the 17. Bundesland?
Another thing, @Asami : What became of football, of the FIFA? The FIFA World Cup? Who were the winners and the hosts? What is the equivalent to the 2022 Qatar controversy? And with the European Federation, do they have a unified league? Is it called Primeira Division, Serie A or Ligue 1, or is it divided? And do they have such a good football team as expected from the nations participating in the EF (in OTL, this would basically amount to a guaranteed World Cup win every time!)?
What I didn't quite understand was: How did the GDR (DDR) and the Warsaw Pact dissolve, and when? Earlier than 1990? And how did a non-SED candidate become General Secretary?
But all my other questions are post-2005:
What became of Germany post-Volksaufstand, @Asami ? Did freedom and democracy return, and if yes, what form of it? Do we have a Second Amendment now? What happened to the Grundgesetz? And could the Allianz der Parteien für die Sicherheit Deutschlands (excellent grammatical knowledge, by the way!) maybe be abbreviated AfD? Or would it rather be APSD or APS or even APD?
I have come to picture "Europopulism" as Europe-wide franquismo/Estado Novo. Could that be correct? Francoism has no real ideological tenet like communism, Marxism, Leninism or something, but it is ultra-conservative, authoritarian, clericalist, and otherwise plays the institutions (military, church, syndicates, the Party,...) against each other. And it would have to use the three F for which the Estado Novo is known for: Fado, Fatima, e Futebol.
What authoritarian laws are there in the EF that make it unviable to visit the Eiffel Tower and the Western Mediterranean? Where do Germans go on holiday instead if Mallorca is "enemy territory" - has maybe Korfu, Krk or Hvar become the 17. Bundesland?
Another thing, @Asami : What became of football, of the FIFA? The FIFA World Cup? Who were the winners and the hosts? What is the equivalent to the 2022 Qatar controversy? And with the European Federation, do they have a unified league? Is it called Primeira Division, Serie A or Ligue 1, or is it divided? And do they have such a good football team as expected from the nations participating in the EF (in OTL, this would basically amount to a guaranteed World Cup win every time!)?
Asami
Banned
The Warsaw Pact still exists as of 2030, but is largely a peripheral alliance to the larger Alliance of Free States, which combines the Beijing Pact, Warsaw Pact, CETO (Central European Treaty Organization) and NATO.
The German Democratic Republic dissolved largely as OTL with minimal fanfare. A non-SED candidate became General Secretary because of the transitionary period as East Germany crumbled into nothingness.
The Federal Republic of Germany had a brief emergency government period under a Bundeswehr government, before it was summarily replaced by civilian rule once more. Germany is currently one of the core members of the Central European Treaty Organization, and one of Free Europe's core economies. The Deutsche Mark is a very powerful reserve currency.
Germany's Grundgesetz was not changed from OTL, and the same constitutional provisions apply. However, post-WWII military restrictions were lifted, and Germany was allowed a full sovereign army once more after much debate between the United Kingdom, Soviet Union and USA.
Germany has legalized private gun ownership, but it is also heavily regulated by provincial bylaws and federal licensing regulations. Emphasis has been placed on the concepts of the solemn duty of all Germans to resist tyranny, at least in common discussions. Of course, there is some measure of debate amongst Germans of the futility of it all, that something akin to fascism nearly took over a second time in a century, but there's a concentrated effort to foster democracy as much as humanly possible, and to smother the neo-fascist ideologues.
Thanks, but it was entirely a shot in the dark.
APfSD, or more commonly, APSD.
Yes. Much of mainstream Europopulism derives it's origins from the Estado Novo regime and Francoisme. It has a lot of shared traits with the current alt-right you see in FN and AfD in OTL 2018, such as xenophobia, authoritarianism, and militarism.
There have been some controversial incidents where tourists have been harassed or have otherwise been treated with hostility by local police. The United States does not issue visas to the European Federation and vice versa, same with the USSR, Germany or China.
Some of the most popular tourist destinations are indeed Yugoslavia, Greece, Malta and Tunisia. The Levantine Confederation has gained a remarkable reputation as a tourist hotspot, particularly amongst free Europeans. A very large sum of Germans tend to go to Czechoslovakia in lieu of Holland for things like drugs and prostitutes. Amsterdam's promiscuity has transplanted itself to Prague and Bratislava.
Still quite popular, even if the European Federation has kind of put a gray cloud over it.
Year - Hosts (Victor)
1950 - Brazil (Uruguay)
1954 - Switzerland (W. Germany)
1958 - Sweden (Brazil)
1962 - Chile (Brazil)
1966 - England (England)
1970 - Soviet Union (W. Germany)
1974 - W. Germany (W. Germany)
1978 - Argentina (Argentina)
1982 - China (Soviet Union)
1986 - Yugoslavia (Argentina)
1990 - Italy (W. Germany)
1994 - United States (Germany)
1998 - Japan (China)
2002 - suspended due to global crisis
2006 - Germany (Rwanda)
2010 - China (Germany)
2014 - Brazil (Germany)
2018 - United States (United States)
2022 - Soviet Union (Soviet Union)
2026 - Levantine Confederation (Brazil)
2030 - Bangladesh (TBD)
2030 marks the first World Cup held in the post-Kargil Indian subcontinent. There is some controversy over safety standards, impact on local environmental recovery efforts and demographic trends, as well as allegations of Bangladeshi human rights violations which have been voraciously boistered by an official inquiry by China's state-sanctioned sports organization. The European Federation maintains it's long-standing boycott of the FIFA World Cup since unification in 2010. They do not participate.
There is a central pan-European soccer league, but each member state has their own subleague too.
No. The European Federation vocally boycotts the World Cup every year, despite having been expelled from FIFA in the 2020s.
Soviet Republics (2030)
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Also I'd figure a quick insight on the various Soviet republics IATL.
Russian SFSR (Росси́йская Сове́тская Федерати́вная Социалисти́ческая Респу́блика)
This is the big boy in the Soviet Union. Despite a greater emphasis on a 'union of Soviet Republics' rather than 'Russia domineering smaller Republics', Russia is still the first among equals, hosting the national capital and a majority of the national GDP. That said, inroads made by minority republics have shown some measure of change in Russia. After the celebration of the centennial of Lenin's revolution, General Secretary Jobs piloted a new program that has been carried by his successor, General Secretary Poklonskaya. This new policy emphasis a New Soviet Man strategy of forging a common Soviet identity across all Republics and expatriate organizations.
The RSFSR has vibrant expatriate communities, such as the massive American community in Stavropol, whose roots come from Steve Jobs' NeXT company founded over forty years ago. These efforts have raised questions on if these new "ethnic republics" should be granted an ASSR or full SSR.
Currently, the Supreme Soviet is debating the idea of turning the Jewish Autonomous Oblast into an ASSR or full-on SSR with the same rights and privileges as, say, Ukraine.
Lithuanian SSR + Livonian SSR
The Lithuanian and Livonian SSR are not voluntary members of the USSR. Both were forcibly re-annexed into the Soviet aegis in the early 21st century after coming dangerously close to embracing Europopulism. While Livonia is largely mollified having been given a large berth of autonomy, Lithuania is a burning hotbed of nationalistic fervor and rhetoric, despite efforts by the Communist Party and their allies in the Lithuanian Supreme Soviet to change attitudes and extend to Lithuania the same courtesy as the other Republics. Lithuania's resistance is a major sticking point in Soviet-European relations, as the Eurofeds insist that Lithuania is a sovereign member of the European Federation held under occupation by Russian forces. The USSR, and Vilnius, heavily disagree.
Ukrainian SSR
Leaps and bounds better off than OTL Ukraine currently is. While there is still a measure of strife between Russians and Ukrainians, peace is a permanent fact of the matter. Crimea remains an integral part of Ukraine, and Ukraine serves as one of the Soviet Union's most bountiful breadbaskets and industrial heartlands.
Byelorussian SSR
Largely redundant these days, but still a thing. There are calls to join the RSFSR as an ASSR, but they have been largely suppressed by the Byelorussians as an effort to maintain a level of separation between the Moscow government and Minsk government. Byelorussia is largely emphasizing their roots to Lithuania and Ukraine to keep themselves from being 100% Russified, even if there is no formal policy on Moscow's level to embrace such things.
Moldova SSR
Moldova is Moldova. It's changed very little over the last 50 years, if for no other reason than for the general echoes of prosperity which have flourished at a lesser extent. Some want to integrate Moldova into Ukraine, some want to secede and join Romania, and some wish to keep the status quo. Moscow is very interested in the debate in the Supreme Soviet of Moldova as of right now.
Georgian SSR, Armenian SSR, Azerbaijani SSR
Perhaps at one time the most nationalistic of Soviet republics, the three Caucasian Soviet states have largely settled down into a state of relative prosperity. Armenia is the most prosperous of the three republics, as oil drilling in Baku has slowed, and Georgia continues to see demonstrations for labour reform, as the Communist Party of Georgia, who never forfeited their state monopoly, continues to dig their heels in. Many believe Moscow may intervene against Tblisi in the coming years, as things have gone on too far for too long.
Kazakh SSR
Probably the second-in-command to the USSR, a title often disputed by Ukraine. Kazakhstan plays home to the Soviet Union's space program, which has evolved to be a major unifying force between the USSR and her Western and Eastern allies. From Baikonur, new space armaments and space experiments launch every other week to further the progress of a Tripartite dominance of Earth's orbit and Mars. The first Soviet cosmonaut to walk on Mars was Kazakh, in 2028.
Tajik, Kirghiz, and Turkmenistan
The smaller Central Asian Soviet Republics have... prospered more so than OTL. They have served great importance to the Soviet Union during the Kargil War's aftermath, as Soviet forces from these three Republics made up the majority of landed forces in Afghanistan during the efforts to maintain peace. Since Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan in the early 2000s, the three Republics have fallen into obscurity, with many proposing a singular unified Central Asian SSR to unify the common interests of all three, particularly where environmental efforts are concerned, as well as keeping peace between China and the USSR.
Russian SFSR (Росси́йская Сове́тская Федерати́вная Социалисти́ческая Респу́блика)
This is the big boy in the Soviet Union. Despite a greater emphasis on a 'union of Soviet Republics' rather than 'Russia domineering smaller Republics', Russia is still the first among equals, hosting the national capital and a majority of the national GDP. That said, inroads made by minority republics have shown some measure of change in Russia. After the celebration of the centennial of Lenin's revolution, General Secretary Jobs piloted a new program that has been carried by his successor, General Secretary Poklonskaya. This new policy emphasis a New Soviet Man strategy of forging a common Soviet identity across all Republics and expatriate organizations.
The RSFSR has vibrant expatriate communities, such as the massive American community in Stavropol, whose roots come from Steve Jobs' NeXT company founded over forty years ago. These efforts have raised questions on if these new "ethnic republics" should be granted an ASSR or full SSR.
Currently, the Supreme Soviet is debating the idea of turning the Jewish Autonomous Oblast into an ASSR or full-on SSR with the same rights and privileges as, say, Ukraine.
Lithuanian SSR + Livonian SSR
The Lithuanian and Livonian SSR are not voluntary members of the USSR. Both were forcibly re-annexed into the Soviet aegis in the early 21st century after coming dangerously close to embracing Europopulism. While Livonia is largely mollified having been given a large berth of autonomy, Lithuania is a burning hotbed of nationalistic fervor and rhetoric, despite efforts by the Communist Party and their allies in the Lithuanian Supreme Soviet to change attitudes and extend to Lithuania the same courtesy as the other Republics. Lithuania's resistance is a major sticking point in Soviet-European relations, as the Eurofeds insist that Lithuania is a sovereign member of the European Federation held under occupation by Russian forces. The USSR, and Vilnius, heavily disagree.
Ukrainian SSR
Leaps and bounds better off than OTL Ukraine currently is. While there is still a measure of strife between Russians and Ukrainians, peace is a permanent fact of the matter. Crimea remains an integral part of Ukraine, and Ukraine serves as one of the Soviet Union's most bountiful breadbaskets and industrial heartlands.
Byelorussian SSR
Largely redundant these days, but still a thing. There are calls to join the RSFSR as an ASSR, but they have been largely suppressed by the Byelorussians as an effort to maintain a level of separation between the Moscow government and Minsk government. Byelorussia is largely emphasizing their roots to Lithuania and Ukraine to keep themselves from being 100% Russified, even if there is no formal policy on Moscow's level to embrace such things.
Moldova SSR
Moldova is Moldova. It's changed very little over the last 50 years, if for no other reason than for the general echoes of prosperity which have flourished at a lesser extent. Some want to integrate Moldova into Ukraine, some want to secede and join Romania, and some wish to keep the status quo. Moscow is very interested in the debate in the Supreme Soviet of Moldova as of right now.
Georgian SSR, Armenian SSR, Azerbaijani SSR
Perhaps at one time the most nationalistic of Soviet republics, the three Caucasian Soviet states have largely settled down into a state of relative prosperity. Armenia is the most prosperous of the three republics, as oil drilling in Baku has slowed, and Georgia continues to see demonstrations for labour reform, as the Communist Party of Georgia, who never forfeited their state monopoly, continues to dig their heels in. Many believe Moscow may intervene against Tblisi in the coming years, as things have gone on too far for too long.
Kazakh SSR
Probably the second-in-command to the USSR, a title often disputed by Ukraine. Kazakhstan plays home to the Soviet Union's space program, which has evolved to be a major unifying force between the USSR and her Western and Eastern allies. From Baikonur, new space armaments and space experiments launch every other week to further the progress of a Tripartite dominance of Earth's orbit and Mars. The first Soviet cosmonaut to walk on Mars was Kazakh, in 2028.
Tajik, Kirghiz, and Turkmenistan
The smaller Central Asian Soviet Republics have... prospered more so than OTL. They have served great importance to the Soviet Union during the Kargil War's aftermath, as Soviet forces from these three Republics made up the majority of landed forces in Afghanistan during the efforts to maintain peace. Since Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan in the early 2000s, the three Republics have fallen into obscurity, with many proposing a singular unified Central Asian SSR to unify the common interests of all three, particularly where environmental efforts are concerned, as well as keeping peace between China and the USSR.
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Oft-ridiculed member of the NPC representing CPC-Maoist. He has attempted to take the party over and institute Xi Jinping Thought but every time those three words are mentioned he gets mocked and derised in the national media. "You, sir, are no Deng Xiaoping."
Served as Premier of China sometime in the 1990s, representing the CPC-Dengist; was appointed as a compromise gesture by President Zhao Ziyang.
Faceless member of the NPC, from the People's Party.