Prussia with its 1806 borders

When I look at Prussia's 1806 border

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I can't help but somewhat see Bismarcks Greater Prussian vision. If France for some reason doesn't run Prussia over in 1807, but end up beaten. Would these border be viable, would Prussia be allowed to keep them?

What would the effect be of Prussia going into the post-Napoleon era with these borders?
 
Tsar Alexander would have a little bit to say about that border with Russia, so no way. Even if Russia is as collapsed as France, this is not Bimarck's vision of Prussia as the core of Germany but a Junker Paradise. This Prussia faces East, not West.
 
Tsar Alexander would have a little bit to say about that border with Russia, so no way. Even if Russia is as collapsed as France, this is not Bimarck's vision of Prussia as the core of Germany but a Junker Paradise. This Prussia faces East, not West.
This is still an interesting change in and of itself, it wild be interesting to see Prussia become and Austria Hungary of sorts, albeit one with a much better industrial core and much more forward thinking due to the Berlin Enlightenment.
 
well for starters you would see and of course things depend on quite a bit, but you could see a more polanized Prussia looking to be a true holy roman empire successor including as much of Poland as possible.

the bigger question is how much of their soul they would have to sell and to whom to maintain said borders. If instead of going to war with france in 1806 over influence in western german lands they ally with them, that might make them more eastern leaning and would also help the French in Russia and in return Prussia is given more eastern lands and possible spoils of Austrian, Polish, Belarusian lands depending on outcomes.


If they go to war with france and instead look east and south for help and it plays the way it did then you get what we have now.

They will be forced to pick a side and while France is not beloved, Russia is not trusted. damned if they do and damned if they don't.
 
This substantially polonized Prussia will have interesting dynamics. What relationship will it have with its Poles? Are there enough to force a biculturalism?
 
Prussia OTL was at this time considered one of the most enlightened and forward thinking continental powers, in large part to the Berlin Enlightenment and the afterglow of Frederick the Great. They were also traditionally pro-French and indeed were rather favorable towards the Revolution when it first broke put, looking at it as the just rewards of the incompetent and tyrannical Bourbons and payback for the French "betrayal" and alliance with Austria in the Seven years War. If Prussia sides with Napoleon they not only keep the 1806 borders but likely gain hegemony over Hanover, Saxony, and maybe Westphalia, with France keeping the Rhineland border.

The Prussian monarchs from Frederick to IIRC Wilhelm learned Polish in response to the Partiip Nw, and one of Frederick's brothers briefly put forward his candidacy for the Polish Lithuanian crown. It's not impossible to think that such an eastward facing Prussia would have a similar dynamic to Austria Hungary, ultimately remaining outside of German Unification.
 
It's not impossible to think that such an eastward facing Prussia would have a similar dynamic to Austria Hungary, ultimately remaining outside of German Unification.
What does this mean? What kind of German unification could even exist without this Prussia considering how far west its borders extend? I feel like people are overlooking how Prussia has absorbed Hanover 60 years early. If Napoleonic France loses and isn't able to keep the Rhine border in the end, this Prussia will dominate northern and western Germany significantly earlier than OTL.
 
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Prussia OTL was at this time considered one of the most enlightened and forward thinking continental powers, in large part to the Berlin Enlightenment and the afterglow of Frederick the Great. They were also traditionally pro-French and indeed were rather favorable towards the Revolution when it first broke put, looking at it as the just rewards of the incompetent and tyrannical Bourbons and payback for the French "betrayal" and alliance with Austria in the Seven years War. If Prussia sides with Napoleon they not only keep the 1806 borders but likely gain hegemony over Hanover, Saxony, and maybe Westphalia, with France keeping the Rhineland border.

The Prussian monarchs from Frederick to IIRC Wilhelm learned Polish in response to the Partiip Nw, and one of Frederick's brothers briefly put forward his candidacy for the Polish Lithuanian crown. It's not impossible to think that such an eastward facing Prussia would have a similar dynamic to Austria Hungary, ultimately remaining outside of German Unification.

The problem with this is that I dont think Napoleon would be able to work with an undefeated Prussia. Napoleon treated his "allies" as underlings and a Prussia before Jena wouldnt accept a role like that. This means a war between Napoleon and Prussia cant be avoided without a serious POD - maybe Napoleon being less successful.
 
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