With regards to Scientology, they've experienced a drastic drop in membership, what with their HQ in Riverside being downwind of March AFB, which was a SAC base in 1984, IIRC (the fact that Hollywood was likely pulverized by nuclear strikes doesn't help). In addition, Clearwater ain't far from Tampa-St. Petersburg…

On the good side, the members are about to find out how much their powers will protect them from nuclear attack/radioactive fallout...

Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch...

It would be safe to say Hollywood was definitely annihilated which would be unfortunately fact given the likely distance from where the likely ground zero for the main warhead that hit Los Angeles (Out of the several that would hit the area) from the Nuclear Exchange.
 
It would be safe to say Hollywood was definitely annihilated which would be unfortunately fact given the likely distance from where the likely ground zero for the main warhead that hit Los Angeles (Out of the several that would hit the area) from the Nuclear Exchange.

As a former resident of L.A., I'd imagine the following would be hit in the immediate area:

Downtown L.A. gets a 3MT airburst.
LAX gets a 500kT groundburst
Port of L.A. (Long Beach) gets a 500kT airburst
500kT airburst over Lockheed-Martin in Palmdale
500kT airburst in Hawthorne (National Guard Depot)
1MT groundburst at Joint Forces Base Los Alamitos (Long Beach-Cypress)
1 MT airburst over NWS Seal Beach

It's an ugly map with ugly casualty numbers.

1.626 million dead
4.343 million wounded

LA nukemap.jpeg
 
I'd say you forgot the Panama City paper mill, infamous across the entire South as far as I could tell, but of course Tyndall's flight line which I presume is the ground zero of that strike is pretty close so no. Looks like Perry is on the map!
 
As for San Diego and what happens there, well, dunk a map of the greater San Diego area in gasoline, light it on fire, and then shoot the burning map with a shotgun; it's the same effect...
 
As a former resident of L.A., I'd imagine the following would be hit in the immediate area:

Downtown L.A. gets a 3MT airburst.
LAX gets a 500kT groundburst
Port of L.A. (Long Beach) gets a 500kT airburst
500kT airburst over Lockheed-Martin in Palmdale
500kT airburst in Hawthorne (National Guard Depot)
1MT groundburst at Joint Forces Base Los Alamitos (Long Beach-Cypress)
1 MT airburst over NWS Seal Beach

It's an ugly map with ugly casualty numbers.

1.626 million dead
4.343 million wounded

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I would agree that the map seen is an ugly map. But I would imagine that more in the area (This also includes the immediate area) would be hit.

Other targets in the area including outside the immediate area likely to get hit (The list is what the targets were known as in 1984).

March Air Force Base (Now March Air Reserve Base) although the impact of the detonation here would cause more havoc much closer to San Bernardino
Ontario International Airport the detonation here could likely cause havoc around the eastern outskirts of L.A. if it's an airburst
Long Beach Airport although hitting this would be redundant (Due to both the Joint Forces Base Los Alamitos and the Port of L.A. being hit) the length of one of one of the runways there (Runways 12/30 which is 10,000 feet) would make this a likely target too.
Norton Air Force Base (San Bernardino International Airport now operates on the site) this would be hit in the first wave of detonations (Against the Military Targets) and a detonation here would take out San Bernardino.
Van Nuys Airport (In 1984 it housed Van Nuys Air National Guard Base) I can see the Soviets making this a target although in 1984 only C-130 aircraft would have been based here an 1 to 3 MT airburst here would take out the northwestern parts of L.A. consisting of the San Fernando Valley.
The Marine Corps Air stations in El Toro and Tustin (Closed down in 1999) would be targeted.
Naval Air Station Point Mugu and Naval Construction Battalion Center Port Hueneme (Now part of Naval Base Ventura County) would be targeted too.
Morris Reservoir Naval Weapons Test Site (Located at Morris Reservoir Closed in 1995) wouldn't be spared.


What I have listed here would have been targeted by the Soviets in the event of an Nuclear Exchange if all of them have been hit in The Exchange would depend. And I would imagine a likely larger airburst over Downtown L.A. (Between 10 to 25 MT warhead)

I would also agree that the casualty numbers would be real ugly.
 
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I'd say you forgot the Panama City paper mill, infamous across the entire South as far as I could tell, but of course Tyndall's flight line which I presume is the ground zero of that strike is pretty close so no. Looks like Perry is on the map!

Some of the post Hurricane Michael imagery I have seen of Panama City in the last week shows almost nuclear level devastation. That place got smashed.
 
I'd say you forgot the Panama City paper mill, infamous across the entire South as far as I could tell, but of course Tyndall's flight line which I presume is the ground zero of that strike is pretty close so no. Looks like Perry is on the map!

I was searching in the area around Gainesville. With all the strikes between Eglin, Tyndall, and Hurlburt, I consider the Panhandle a dead zone, more or less.

I'm going to do a linked Nukemap soon to show the strikes in precise detail instead of the screenshots I've used for narrative purposes.
 
Some of the post Hurricane Michael imagery I have seen of Panama City in the last week shows almost nuclear level devastation. That place got smashed.

Yeah, it's horrific. Those stormchasers who filmed live from Tyndall are ballsy in a way that I can't imagine. The roof of the hangar literally being ripped off above them, fighter planes being strewn about, and those homes just flattened. That's 150 mph winds, just imagine the sort of flattening wind an airburst nuke causes.
 
I would agree that the map seen is an ugly map. But I would imagine that more in the area (This also includes the immediate area) would be hit.

Other targets in the area including outside the immediate area likely to get hit (The list is what the targets were known as in 1984).

March Air Force Base (Now March Air Reserve Base) although the impact of the detonation here would cause more havoc much closer to San Bernardino
Ontario International Airport the detonation here could likely cause havoc around the eastern outskirts of L.A. if it's an airburst
Long Beach Airport although hitting this would be redundant (Due to both the Joint Forces Base Los Alamitos and the Port of L.A. being hit) the length of one of one of the runways there (Runways 12/30 which is 10,000 feet) would make this a likely target too.
Norton Air Force Base (San Bernardino International Airport now operates on the site) this would be hit in the first wave of detonations (Against the Military Targets) and a detonation here would take out San Bernardino.
Van Nuys Airport (In 1984 it housed Van Nuys Air National Guard Base) I can see the Soviets making this a target although in 1984 only C-130 aircraft would have been based here an 1 to 3 MT airburst here would take out the northwestern parts of L.A. consisting of the San Fernando Valley.
The Marine Corps Air stations in El Toro and Tustin (Closed down in 1999) would be targeted.
Naval Air Station Point Mugu and Naval Construction Battalion Center Port Hueneme (Now part of Naval Base Ventura County) would be targeted too.
Morris Reservoir Naval Weapons Test Site (Located at Morris Reservoir Closed in 1995) wouldn't be spared.


What I have listed here would have been targeted by the Soviets in the event of an Nuclear Exchange if all of them have been hit in The Exchange would depend. And I would imagine a likely larger airburst over Downtown L.A. (Between 10 to 25 MT warhead)

I would also agree that the casualty numbers would be real ugly.

All true, but I was keeping to L.A. proper, not towards the outer 'burbs. I didn't do Long Beach Airport because the other two hits envelop it and the radiation makes it entirely unusable, anyway, so why risk warhead fratricide. I also wasn't aware of Van Nuys having been an ANG base. That is worth a remap.

Southern California is probably a total goner. Adding in the items you put in, plus Camp Pendleton, Twentynine Palms, Coronado, John Wayne Airport, Fort Irwin....I mean, it's just a giant glowing pile. The wildfires coming off of that would just be icing on the cake, absolutely unstoppable because there'd be nothing to stop them.

I'm also thinking of taking the known lists of targets and doing a nationwide Nukemap. I shudder to think of the results.
 
All true, but I was keeping to L.A. proper, not towards the outer 'burbs. I didn't do Long Beach Airport because the other two hits envelop it and the radiation makes it entirely unusable, anyway, so why risk warhead fratricide. I also wasn't aware of Van Nuys having been an ANG base. That is worth a remap.

Southern California is probably a total goner. Adding in the items you put in, plus Camp Pendleton, Twentynine Palms, Coronado, John Wayne Airport, Fort Irwin....I mean, it's just a giant glowing pile. The wildfires coming off of that would just be icing on the cake, absolutely unstoppable because there'd be nothing to stop them.

I'm also thinking of taking the known lists of targets and doing a nationwide Nukemap. I shudder to think of the results.

It is also safe to say that both the San Diego and the entire San Francisco bay areas are completely gone as well. It is also safe to say that the Soviets could easily consider warhead fratricide to ensure to ensure both complete Mutually Assured Destruction and just in case any of the warheads fail to detonate although there is no guarantee of that. The way that I see it the Soviets who are deciding on the targets to hit could easily say to themselves Why take a chance in regards to the actual nuclear exchange.

The actual results of the Nuclear Exchange on the entire nation is something everyone will completely shudder at.
 
This probably still isn't comprehensive for SoCal, but :eek::eek::eek:

2,340,220 dead
6,737,270 wounded

And fallout coverage is so widespread, with destruction so complete, that most of those wounded likely die as well. I just don't know how anyone survives this map.

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This probably still isn't comprehensive for SoCal, but :eek::eek::eek:

2,340,220 dead
6,737,270 wounded

And fallout coverage is so widespread, with destruction so complete, that most of those wounded likely die as well. I just don't know how anyone survives this map.
That looks about right. Also note the amount of fallout over major agricultural areas. SoCal's carrying capacity has essentially just dropped to nil. And that's not counting Bakersfield, Vandenberg, Diablo Canyon, and wherever else the Soviets feel like making an express delivery of instant sunshine.

Important to note that there are plenty of misses in the P&Sverse, not unfairly given the real-world failure rate of Soviet birds, but in a target-rich environment like this that is little comfort.
 
This probably still isn't comprehensive for SoCal, but :eek::eek::eek:

2,340,220 dead
6,737,270 wounded

And fallout coverage is so widespread, with destruction so complete, that most of those wounded likely die as well. I just don't know how anyone survives this map.

View attachment 415677
Looking back to When the Wind Blew: a P&S Open Thread ,at least the upper level winds are out of the SW. A lot of fallout will get caught up into the mountains in that scenario, at least for the first 24-36hrs until that upper level trough passes.
 
Chapter 61
Chapter 61
Fort Myers, Florida
March 21, 1984
1500 hours


Major Ewing was as good as his word. He got together as many bandages, medications, and food that he felt he could spare without putting his area at risk. That’s not to say there wasn’t opposition, though. There was definitely a fuss thrown up by the mayors of the three towns and some of the supply bureaucrats, not to mention most of the doctors at the hospitals, but Ewing had ultimate authority under the Emergency Powers Act, and he did his best to reason with them. What broke the stalemate was when one of the doctors from Cape Coral Hospital agreed with the major, and volunteered to go with the convoy. He then proceeded to shame his colleagues by reminding them how fortunate they all were: they had electricity, clean water, and food, and maybe things would start getting tight in another month or two, but there were fellow humans not that far north who were dying, starving, and suffering. They took an oath, and to him, that oath meant something.

The speech broke the spell. Altogether, a dozen doctors volunteered to go with the convoy. A squad of soldiers, with a lieutenant in charge, would escort them and move the supplies. After much discussion of what route to take and how to ensure the safety of the convoy, one of the volunteer doctors offered his yacht. He was a successful heart surgeon who’d made a pile of money in Miami and decided to wind down in his early fifties, moving to Fort Myers and living on the yacht during the summer. The yacht was a 1979 Burger, 86’ long, with more than enough room to house the supplies and everyone coming along. They could stay there at night, and a pair of soldiers could keep watch over it during the day.

With transport settled, a route had to be planned. For all anyone knew, war was still going on, and there could be Soviet ships off the coast. Maps were laid out, depths were checked, and a route was measured that would, at least, strongly reduce the threat from any submarines that might be out there. If a destroyer or cruiser were out there raiding, it would likely be game over—the yacht had a max speed of a mere 20 knots, and its crusing speed was 16 knots. The positive aspect was the trip would take five hours, the yacht had a modern radar, and they would leave at dawn to ensure the best visibility. The brothers leading the Sarasota group weren’t thrilled by it, but they were getting what they needed, and arguing wouldn’t help. After the trouble they’d dodged in making it to Fort Myers, they understood this was the best way, despite their desperation. The men would come back for the vehicles after they got things stabilized.

If this mission had any success, and the yacht successfully made it to Sarasota, Ewing planned to redouble his efforts to reach Gainesville. The radio connections had been, even a month later, far too sporadic. The only reason they’d been getting FPR broadcasts was because the sheer power output from Gainesville had been tripled upon the Kassel detonation. The WUFT transmitter was pumping out 300,000 watts, using brute force to push through the interference. WSFP in Fort Myers had 100,000 watts, yet it barely reached Naples, and there just wasn’t enough desire amongst the leadership to beef up the output to utilize as a way to reach Gainesville.


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Gainesville, FL
2010 hours


**********FLASH TRAFFIC**********

FROM: INTEL GROUP GAINESVILLE
TO: CINC-FNG

UPDATED STRIKE LIST—FLORIDA, GEORGIA, ALABAMA, LOUISIANA (PARTIAL)

INFORMATION GATHERED FROM SURVEILLANCE FLIGHTS, COMMUNICATIONS WITH GEORGIA GOVERNMENT AT VALDOSTA. ALABAMA GOVERNMENT UNREACHABLE. PENSACOLA REACHED VIA MORSE CODE. PENSACOLA SURVIVED, BUT IS ISOLATED. SUPPLIES ARE LOW. THEY HAVE COMMUNICATED WITH GULF STATES COMMAND VIA RADIO. NEW ORLEANS LARGELY SURVIVED, ONLY FAR EASTERN HALF STRUCK. DOTHAN, ALABAMA MASSIVELY HIT, NO FURTHER DETAILS. MOBILE STRUCK AS WELL, DETAILS SKETCHY. CURRENT INTELLIGENCE EVALUATION IS AS FOLLOWS:

MIAMI—MASSIVE (3-5MT) AIRBURST OVER DOWNTOWN; MIAMI AIRPORT (MINIMUM 500KT GROUNDBURST, EVALUATION DIFFICULT)
HOMESTEAD AFB (GROUNDBURST, 1MT)
JACKSONVILLE—NAS CECIL FIELD (GROUNDBURST, 350KT ESTIMATE); NAVAL STATION MAYPORT (500KT AIRBURST); NAS JACKSONVILLE (500 KT GROUNDBURST); JACKSONVILLE AIRPORT/FANG BASE (GROUNDBURST, ESTIMATE 350-450KT)
TAMPA/ST. PETERSBURG—ST. PETE AIRPORT (GROUNDBURST, 500KT); FORT MACDILL (AIRBURST, ESTIMATE 2-3MT, WITH BELIEVED FOLLOW-ON 1MT GROUNDBURST ON RUNWAY); TAMPA INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT (GROUNDBURST, 500KT)
ORLANDO—DOWNTOWN (AIRBURST, 1MT); ORLANDO INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT (GROUNDBURST, 500KT); ORLANDO-SANFORD AIR BASE (GROUNDBURST, 350KT); LEESBURG GUARD DEPOT (100KT GROUNDBURST--ERROR?)
WEST PALM BEACH—AIRPORT (GROUNDBURST, 200KT); DOWNTOWN (AIRBURST, 200KT)
PANAMA CITY—TYNDALL AFB (GROUNDBURST AND AIRBURST, APPROXIMATELY 200KT EACH)
EGLIN AFB/HURLBURT FIELD (LOW ALTITUDE AIRBURST (500 FEET?), ESTIMATE 3-5MT)
NAS KEY WEST (GROUNDBURST, 350KT)
CAPE CANAVERAL—(MULTIPLE AIRBURSTS, 150KT EACH, WITH A 500KT GROUNDBURST ON NORTH END OF RUNWAY)
PATRICK AFB—(GROUNDBURST, 350KT)


ATLANTA—CITY CENTER (AIRBURST, MASSIVE 10MT+); HARTSFIELD INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT (GROUNDBURST, 1MT)
SAVANNAH—HUNTER ARMY AIRFIELD (GROUNDBURST, 500KT); SAVANNAH HILTON HEAD AIRPORT (GROUNDBURST, 500KT)
KINGS BAY SUBMARINE BASE (MULTIPLE AIRBURSTS, BELIEVED 1MT EACH)
ATHENS (AIRBURST, 200KT)
MACON (AIRBURST, 200KT)
AUGUSTA (AIRBURST, 350KT)
FORT BENNING (GROUNDBURST, LAWSON ARMY AIRFIELD, 2MT; AIRBURST, 2MT, OVER EXERCISE AREA)—MOST OF COLUMBUS SURVIVED UNTOUCHED.
FORT STEWART (AIRBURST, 1MT)
ROBINS AFB (GROUNDBURST, 350KT)


MOBILE (GROUNDBURST OF INDETERMINATE SIZE)
DOTHAN (MULTIPLE STRIKES, SIZE UNKNOWN)


GEORGIA HAS LOST AN ESTIMATED 850,000 PEOPLE TO IMMEDIATE DEATHS, AND SUFFERED AN ESTIMATED TWO MILLION FURTHER CASUALTIES, MANY OF WHOM PROBABLY DIED DUE TO COMPLETE COLLAPSE OF HEALTHCARE INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE AREAS THAT WERE HIT. GEORGIA EXISTS IN THREE SEGMENTS RIGHT NOW—THE NORTHERNMOST AREA, CENTERED AROUND ROME, WHERE SECTREAS IS RUMORED TO HAVE LANDED; CENTRAL GEORGIA (A FAIRLY THIN STRIP RUNNING ALONG A LINE INCLUDING LAGRANGE, FORSYTH, GRIFFIN, MILLIDGEVILLE, LOUISVILLE, AND WAYNESBORO), AND THE SOUTH OF THE STATE, WITH VALDOSTA MAINTAINING A TENUOUS HOLD ON IT. SURVEILLANCE FLIGHTS OUT OF BRUNSWICK AIRPORT HAVE VALIDATED MUCH OF THE ABOVE INFORMATION FROM GEORGIA.

OUR EVALUATION IS AS FOLLOWS: GEORGIA’S DIVIDED SITUATION IS FAR WORSE THAN OURS. SO MUCH OF THEIR TRANSPORTATION WAS CENTERED IN ATLANTA, AND THAT ENTIRE METROPOLITAN AREA IS FLATTENED. THEY ARE UNLIKELY TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE AID TO THEIR NORTHERN SECTOR, IN FACT, THEY ARE UNABLE TO COMMUNICATE DIRECTLY WITH ROME—IT IS GOING THROUGH RELAYS IN FORSYTH, WHICH IS OVERWHELMED AND NEAR COLLAPSE, WITH REFUGEES COMING FROM BOTH DIRECTIONS. SOUTH GEORGIA IS RELATIVELY UNTOUCHED, SAVE FOR KINGS BAY. IF THEY CAN CLEAR FALLOUT FROM FARM AREAS, WE MAY BE ABLE TO PURCHASE FOOD IN RETURN FOR OTHER ITEMS OF INTEREST. OUR GROWING PROGRAM HAS BEEN MODERATELY SUCCESSFUL, BUT WILL NOT BE ENOUGH TO FEED OUR SURVIVING POPULATION. THEY ARE DESPERATELY LACKING IN HEALTHCARE RESOURCES, WHICH WE HAVE FORTUNATELY MANAGED TO MAINTAIN BETWEEN GAINESVILLE, OCALA AND TALLAHASSEE. TALLAHASSEE HAS SEEN A NUMBER OF REFUGEES FROM THE PANAMA CITY AREA. MOST HAVE DIED, OTHERS ARE QUITE ILL, HOWEVER, WE MAY BE ABLE TO SPARE SOME CAPACITY FROM FSU AND STATE OFFICE RESOURCES TO ASSIST IN RETURN FOR FOOD. TALKS WILL NEED TO HAPPEN TO ESTABLISH WHAT WE CAN GIVE VERSUS WHAT THEY NEED.

WE WILL NEED TO MAKE DECISIONS SOON AS TO WHETHER WE PROTECT OUR OWN POPULACE IN THE SHORT TERM AT THE POTENTIAL EXPENSE OF OUR LONG-TERM FOOD SAFETY. WE RECOMMEND A FULL LOGISTICAL STUDY BE PERFORMED TO WEIGH THE COSTS AND BENEFITS OF AIDING GEORGIA.

**********END FLASH*************
 
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