Protect & Survive Miami: End of Watch

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Brky2020

Brky2020

wolverinethad said:
75 cuts through Tampa-St. Pete between north and south. That area took a solid five nukes, including a 2MT at MacDill. It probably glows at night, it's so irradiated, and that freeway is at 100 rads/hour JUST FROM MACDILL. That's not even factoring in fallout from hits to St. Pete and Tampa's respective airports, along the same corridor. It'd be a death run. That's why convoys were ruled out. There's no good approach, really, unless you get very enterprising, hug the coast, and get super lucky to find the I-275 bridge over Tampa Bay survived somehow.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_75_in_Florida#The_Everglades_and_Southwest_Florida

75 cuts south from Tampa, through Fort Myers and near Naples, then cuts east outside Naples thru the Everglades east to Weston, where it becomes 595 and goes straight to Fort Lauderdale.
 
Gillan1220

Gillan1220

Oh since this timeline also deals with drugs, what do you think happened to Pablo Escobar and the Cali Cartel down in Colombia? Did Colombia survive or was Bogota targeted? If so, I guess both sides of the FARC vs the AUC continue their fighting but without Soviet and American support, it would be a stalemate.
 

wolverinethad

Brky2020

Brky2020

wolverinethad said:
Okay, that's not the issue. How do you pass through a city that ate multiple ground bursts (to knock out the runways at MacDill and Tampa International)? THAT is what I'm getting at.
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I've already explained that. The only way right now to get from the Gainesville area to the Fort Myers area is by boat or air in the Gulf, avoiding the immediate radiation from the Tampa area. You go around Tampa, not thru it. So there's no way you can get to Fort Myers/South Florida by land. Only when you've landed in Fort Myers do you go to Fort Lauderdale.
 

Unknown

Has Florida established contact with New Orleans (or what's left of it) yet?

Imagine Jan's shock when he finds out Castillo survived the Exchange...
 

wolverinethad

BrianD said:
I've already explained that. The only way right now to get from the Gainesville area to the Fort Myers area is by boat or air in the Gulf, avoiding the immediate radiation from the Tampa area. You go around Tampa, not thru it. So there's no way you can get to Fort Myers/South Florida by land. Only when you've landed in Fort Myers do you go to Fort Lauderdale.
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I guess I misunderstood your thrust. Sounded like you wanted to run convoys right through Tampa.
 

wolverinethad

Unknown said:
Has Florida established contact with New Orleans (or what's left of it) yet?

Imagine Jan's shock when he finds out Castillo survived the Exchange...
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Nope. Radios are having issues in that direction because of the same reason as southernly ones--a whole lot of nukes concentrated in one area. Eglin is such a huge base that it got multiple doses, along with other nearby bases.

Pensacola, isolated, reached McIlhenny's command, and we'll get back to them soon. Gainesville has only reached Georgia and some isolated towns in Alabama where Ham radio operators reported in.

Question for readers and canon writers (@JN1 @Tsar of New Zealand @Chipperback @DrakonFin): Dothan, Alabama isn't on the wiki target list, but I can't imagine how it doesn't get PLASTERED. There's a ton of military targets in and around the city, armories and the like. Did it get hit or no?
 

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I'm guessing it does, @wolverinethad...

Yeah, I'm not surprised about not being able to reach what's left of New Orleans...

BTW, I just noticed this, but Jan Kilma's first name is the same first name as the guy (Jan Hammer) who wrote the Miami Vice theme; was that a coincidence, @wolverinethad?
 

Shevek23

wolverinethad said:
Question for readers and canon writers : Dothan, Alabama isn't on the wiki target list, but I can't imagine how it doesn't get PLASTERED. There's a ton of military targets in and around the city, armories and the like. Did it get hit or no?
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You remember how I personally think P&S canon is Candyland compared to a realistically gamed out 1983-'84 Exchange, right? If the Dothan region got what it should have if P&S were realistic, even with say a 30-40 percent failure rate of Soviet bloc weapons aimed at lower tier targets indeed it would effectively be ruined.

You've already come back with arguments that hold that P&S might be realistic given that things don't always work and that lower tier targets would be assigned to Cuban based aircraft, which the US interceptors shot down. (For that very reason I don't buy it, not that the Soviets would trust the taking out of any key target to bombers, not in the USA anyway--maybe the bombers are sent against targets in places like Mexico.)

So we've already agreed to disagree and you have scope to leave it all untouched, or judiciously limit the damage. By all military logic the region should deep glass blue glowing craters all over it. P&S is the Big Rock Candy Mountain though, with unicorns, so write as you see fit on this!
 

ric350

Yeah, P&S did miss quite a few military targets. As a resident of central NJ, I always thought we’d be plastered in any exchange. In the corridor between NYC and Philly we have; Ft Dix, McGuire AFB, Lakehurst NAS, and the Naval Weapons depot at Earle. None of these were mentioned in the P&S targeting.

Ric350
 
AeroTheZealousOne

AeroTheZealousOne

Gillan1220 said:
This list is much worse than the one for 1983: Doomsday.
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Especially when you consider that Maine, while not covered in any P&S spinoff IIRC is almost entirely intact, fwith Portland, Bar Harbor, Houlton, Bangor, Augusta, Brunswick, and the Bath Iron Works of all places all making it out of the '84 exchange intact, where Maine in 1983: Doomsday does considerably worse to the point that it's likely that much of my dad's side of the family would be critically dead by the end of the year. My dad OTOH, around this timeframe, is not too far from Cleveland, which if I'm not mistaken does not get hit in both P&S and 1983: Doomsday. [EDIT: Actually in 1983: DD Northeast Ohio is pretty much gone, and so am I] As for my mother depending on military bases pulverized in Indiana and fallout patterns...well, I wouldn't exist due to a quarter-century or so's worth of butterflies anyway.
 
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Gillan1220

Gillan1220

AeroTheZealousOne said:
Especially when you consider that Maine, while not covered in any P&S spinoff IIRC is almost entirely intact, fwith Portland, Bar Harbor, Houlton, Bangor, Augusta, Brunswick, and the Bath Iron Works of all places all making it out of the '84 exchange intact, where Maine in 1983: Doomsday does considerably worse to the point that it's likely that much of my dad's side of the family would be critically dead by the end of the year. My dad OTOH, around this timeframe, is not too far from Cleveland, which if I'm not mistaken does not get hit in both P&S and 1983: Doomsday. As for my mother depending on military bases pulverized in Indiana and fallout patterns...well, I wouldn't exist due to a quarter-century or so's worth of butterflies anyway.
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Maine would be a frozen hell if it were hit during the exchange. Compare it with Manchuria or Finland.

Many locations that were spared in 1983: Doomsday were hit in the Protect & Survive timeline. Though some places like Hong Kong which was hit in 83DD survived here.

As for my existence, I need to wait for the authors to finalize the sites hit location. No doubt the Philippines was hit due to having three major U.S. military bases plus smaller communication outposts and firing ranges. In the 83 DD timeline, Manila was spared but Clark, Subic, and Baguio too a hit. I still don't know how the Philippines will fair in P&S, but my existence is still doubtful.
 
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