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Cyniclone

Logical if unthinkable-in-peacetime answer to the problem at the prison. I wonder if they could do it again, if the warden requested clearance to implement Option 1. Because now the prisoners know there's a good chance that if the guards come to take you out of your cell, you're not coming back. On the one hand, that could lead to a fearful respect and tenuous peace. On the other hand, if a bunch of hardened criminals think there's nothing left to lose, it could get out of hand in a real hurry.

I'd be willing to wager that there's other states that have executed their versions of WILLY LOMAN. In this world, I wouldn't be shocked if some prisons were emptied completely using this method. Who would notice at this point?
 

James G

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Cyniclone said:
Logical if unthinkable-in-peacetime answer to the problem at the prison. I wonder if they could do it again, if the warden requested clearance to implement Option 1. Because now the prisoners know there's a good chance that if the guards come to take you out of your cell, you're not coming back. On the one hand, that could lead to a fearful respect and tenuous peace. On the other hand, if a bunch of hardened criminals think there's nothing left to lose, it could get out of hand in a real hurry.

I'd be willing to wager that there's other states that have executed their versions of WILLY LOMAN. In this world, I wouldn't be shocked if some prisons were emptied completely using this method. Who would notice at this point?
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I'm sure I read that this happened in the original P&S? Or was it speculated?
 

Cyniclone

James G said:
I'm sure I read that this happened in the original P&S? Or was it speculated?
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Now that you mention it, that does sound familiar. I'd have to go back and reacquaint myself with the original work. It's certainly something that could have happened out there.

In that vein, did it happen in Threads? Because that definitely sounds like something that would have happened in their timeline.
 

wolverinethad

Cyniclone said:
Now that you mention it, that does sound familiar. I'd have to go back and reacquaint myself with the original work. It's certainly something that could have happened out there.

In that vein, did it happen in Threads? Because that definitely sounds like something that would have happened in their timeline.
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As @patch_g said, the Moors murderers, and I believe some other nasty types were dispatched that way as well. Most P&S stories haven't covered prisons, probably because the situation is bloody awful to imagine: on one hand, a load of criminals freed by the fleeing of the guards, on the other, the murder of prisoners who didn't come close to committing capital crimes and who would be a useful workforce wasted.

That's why, at the least, I wanted to touch on Florida's state prison, because Raiford conveniently hosts the execution chambers and, at that point, the entirety of death row prisoners, as best as I've ascertained. Helping my count, the state of Florida keeps track of how many people are on death row, including sentencing dates. At worst, I may have understated the count of those executed, only because it doesn't show those already whacked, and some of those in the current database were sentenced right before war broke out, so they may still be at county jails.

Sorry, @Unknown, this is the South in 1984, no woman guard was going to be on that rifle team. Pity, that. God knows the people who used to sort groupie mail for these animals are probably much happier now.

As for the implementation of Option 1, we shall see. Certainly those men aren't going to be used for work in the more populated areas, however, I'm sure the good general will advocate for them being sent on recon missions into Central Florida or Miami-Dade-Broward's metro area.
 

Unknown

A shame about that, but it is justified for the South in 1984, @wolverinethad...

OTOH, Florida will regain communications with southern Florida and the Panhandle soon, followed by communication with the rest of the Gulf States, IMO, as the radiation starts decaying...

Waiting for more, of course (not right away)...
 

Fred the Great

Given the circumstances, it's a pragmatic solution to execute almost everyone in that jail. They're a waste of scarce resources. If they're killers, rapists or otherwise likely to be violent toward guards - making a break for it at the first opportunity, then they're not worth keeping alive. I say this as someone opposed to the death penalty, but desperate times . . .

Edit to add: Just to get really dark, what do people think would happen with such places as homes for old people and people with severe disabilities that survived the blasts and initial radiation? The staff would flee to look after themselves and their own families, the food would soon run out . . .
 
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Fred the Great

Further to all this, I'd question the methodology. They should really have borrowed from the works of Vasily Blokhin. I imagine the scene in the gym would have been rather messy - doubt there would have been one guard for each prisoner to be shot, so some struggling, noise and mess.
 

Roches

Fred the Great said:
Further to all this, I'd question the methodology. They should really have borrowed from the works of Vasily Blokhin. I imagine the scene in the gym would have been rather messy - doubt there would have been one guard for each prisoner to be shot, so some struggling, noise and mess.
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Speaking of Blokhin, I found it especially creepy that they used the Soviet/Nazi-style single shot method, instead of a firing squad. There's something about that method that smacks of the totalitarian governments that used it. It's just hard to imagine Americans shooting prisoners in the back of the head. Even if they were death row inmates, the usual procedure has so much formality and ceremony to it that it must make it somewhat psychologically easier for the executioners than this post-Exchange method. On the other hand, most likely no one will ever know, or ask, exactly what happened to those inmates...

I already thought the order to execute prisoners was one of the first real signs that things were going to go very bad. It was like a first taste of the world after the Exchange, when societal norms cease to exist. I imagine it would have been difficult for those who knew about the order; one day they're reading tax reform bills and the next they're signing death warrants by the dozen, under the threat of nuclear war.
 

Unknown

And very few people are going to care what happens to those death row inmates in the postwar world; they'll be too busy trying to recover from the aftereffects of the nuclear war...
 
Baron Bizarre

Baron Bizarre

Unknown said:
And very few people are going to care what happens to those death row inmates in the postwar world; they'll be too busy trying to recover from the aftereffects of the nuclear war...
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Yeah, no one but their mothers (assuming they survive) is going to give a sweet shit about what happened to those guys. Maybe, in a century or two, if human civilization survives, some historian will come across some forgotten records or a secret diary and get a book out of it about the barbaric things that were done in the Time of the Fire.
 

Bernard Woolley

Century or two? I hate to blow my own trumpet but we've already had a glimpse of the U.K. in 2007 & 2012 not to mention @Tsar of New Zealand has given strong hints about what New Zealand is like. The origional P&S also makes it clear that civilisation survives.
 
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Fred the Great

Baron Bizarre said:
Yeah, no one but their mothers (assuming they survive) is going to give a sweet shit about what happened to those guys. Maybe, in a century or two, if human civilization survives, some historian will come across some forgotten records or a secret diary and get a book out of it about the barbaric things that were done in the Time of the Fire.
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There'll be a lot more barbaric things than that. Honestly, I expect innocent people will be euthanised.
 
Baron Bizarre

Baron Bizarre

JN1 said:
Century or two? I hate to blow my own trumpet but we've already had a glimpse of the U.K. in 2007 & 2012 not to mention @Tsar of New Zealand has given strong hints about what New Zealand is like. The origional P&S also makes it clear that civilisation survives.
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Sure, but historians will still be hashing the war out for centuries. Something this big will take a long time to process. Heck, I still see new books about the American Revolution and the Civil War in bookstores now.
 
Baron Bizarre

Baron Bizarre

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That's a bit different from wondering whether civilisation will survive though.
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I phrased it badly. What I meant was "If civilization survives long-term" i.e., more than the few decades that we know it survives, which I grant you could still argue with. Sorry, a bit muddle-headed.
 

Unknown

Assuming Fort Myers survives relatively well, I can easily see it becoming one of Florida's largest cities...
 
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