Prospects of a French sale of Corsica?

Hi everybody!

In researching my TL, I'm considering a bankrupt France (after the Great War) selling the island of Corsica to (neutral) Italy before undergoing a Franco-Communistic revolution. How plausible is this?

France is desperate at this point; Russia and Germany have gone Red, and they (correctly) fear they're next!
 
Hi everybody!

In researching my TL, I'm considering a bankrupt France (after the Great War) selling the island of Corsica to (neutral) Italy before undergoing a Franco-Communistic revolution. How plausible is this?

France is desperate at this point; Russia and Germany have gone Red, and they (correctly) fear they're next!

I dunno. It depends whether its seen as selling part of the nation, which will discredit the regime and if it can get enough coin to have a short-term economic improvement. But I doubt it could change the fate of France's government in this scenario.
 
No that would never happend Corsica is not a colony and no french politician would sell part of France for money.
 
No that would never happend Corsica is not a colony and no french politician would sell part of France for money.

Depends, if France is on a so dire situation and Italy is basically the last great power left untouched, Rome can be tempted to take it with force (if not already occupied in 'save' the italian minority in A-H from the collapse of that nation). So in Paris people will try to make the most from an dire situation, selling to the italians so to get at least some money
 
No, Corsica is the homeland of Napoleon. The French will fight for it. It has too be a POD before the Napoleon Wars.
 
In the end if France will go red or descend in a civil war, Italy will try to seize Corsica and more border land possible so to create a buffer.
However much depend on how the War end, stalemate? CP victory? Entente victory? In my personal opinion with Italy neutral the CP will go for the win as AH can free a lot of resource and the rescue of the serbian army will be a probable failure.
 
Probable but even in victory Germany will face a lot of political problem and great troubles in prop up the new eastern nations born from the B-L treaty so we can have a repeat of what happened in Italy but with the Communist instead of the fascist
 
In the modern era, selling an intrinsic part of the national territory inhabited by native born citizens would be unthinkable for more western countries including France.

About the only way something remotely resembling this situation might arise would be if italy conquered corsica outright and then forced france into recognising the transfer of ownership via a treaty that refered to the situation as a "sale".
 
About the only way something remotely resembling this situation might arise would be if italy conquered corsica outright and then forced france into recognising the transfer of ownership via a treaty that refered to the situation as a "sale".

True, i just postulated that Paris see the sign on the wall (plus with a brewing civil war/revolution in hand), and before any invasion come to terms with the italians for better term of 'sale' maybe even some support both on material and with troops in case the reds try something.
 
So why would Italy want to invade anyone when their are reds surrounding them anyway? And they might still get kicked out.
 
Considering how hard the French fought to keep control of places like Indochina and Algeria, I really can't picture them selling part of France itself.
 
So why would Italy want to invade anyone when their are reds surrounding them anyway? And they might still get kicked out.

At least so to create a buffer zone between them and the reds; secondarly getting irredent lands back will prop up a lot the goverment (neutrality will help a lot expecially with the body count pile up) in the future showdown with fascist and socialist and this occasion with Germany with the reds in charge, A-h probably in the middle of a civil war and France on the verge of the revolution and in general all the power tired, battered and basically bankrupt it's the better occasion for enforce her claim
 
Hmm. Differing opinions.
I'm on my phone and can't comment on any particular comments, but I thank you for your interest!

On WW1, everything stems from Italian neutrality. As a result, (combined with greater chemical weapon use), Germany is still defeated, France is knackered, Britain exhausted, Russia revolutionized, A-H practically disintegrated, and the U.S profiting from everything and descending into the deepest of isolationist trances.

Spartacist revolutions succeed in Germany, and Bolsheviks come to power in Russia. After Lenin's death and Trotsky's victory in the subsequent power struggle, the (Russian) Fourth International is proclaimed. Germany sinks into isolation to recover and pay it's debts.

(What terms of Versailles would it be liable to?)

France - bankrupt, miserable, and widely damaged - looks likely to collapse, and despite advances to America and a worryingly short-sighted British government needs money fast (almost regardless of consequence). It plans to sell Corsica (and does); the repercussions of which help contribute to the rise of Franco-Communism. (Imperial thoughts are simply financially unsound at this time. That is how bad the situation in Paris is.)

Comments?
 
Hmm. Differing opinions.
I'm on my phone and can't comment on any particular comments, but I thank you for your interest!

On WW1, everything stems from Italian neutrality. As a result, (combined with greater chemical weapon use), Germany is still defeated, France is knackered, Britain exhausted, Russia revolutionized, A-H practically disintegrated, and the U.S profiting from everything and descending into the deepest of isolationist trances.

Spartacist revolutions succeed in Germany, and Bolsheviks come to power in Russia. After Lenin's death and Trotsky's victory in the subsequent power struggle, the (Russian) Fourth International is proclaimed. Germany sinks into isolation to recover and pay it's debts.

(What terms of Versailles would it be liable to?)

France - bankrupt, miserable, and widely damaged - looks likely to collapse, and despite advances to America and a worryingly short-sighted British government needs money fast (almost regardless of consequence). It plans to sell Corsica (and does); the repercussions of which help contribute to the rise of Franco-Communism. (Imperial thoughts are simply financially unsound at this time. That is how bad the situation in Paris is.)

Comments?

I can't see how Russia revolutionised and Austria-Hungary disintegrated can both exist in a world where Italy remains neutral

Best Regards
Grey Wolf
 
I can't see how Russia revolutionised and Austria-Hungary disintegrated can both exist in a world where Italy remains neutral

Best Regards
Grey Wolf

The more probable scenario for that is a victory in the east with B-L and a stalemate in the west, with the Entente and the CP accepting the return to the status quo (naturally the German colonies are gone); the Ottoman Empire remain in shambles and will probably carved up by the Entente as OTL as Germany had more important things to do; A-H (by now a subsidiary of the German Empire) try to inglobe what she can, puppetize Serbia and Montenegro and not give Italy what promised (i assume that the Pod is Von Bulow succesfully broken a treaty between Italy and A-H).
Fast forward a couple of year and you get A-h in the middle of a multisided civil war who will end with Italy get is share, an independent Croatia, Serbia and Montenegro rebelling, outsting the puppet goverment and try to get back the territory lost plus somethin, Hungary remain a red nation; the only doubt is about Austria and Bohemia if they remain independent or be inglobated by Red Germany due to a revolution.
Germany will face the current political class lose any credibility and no stabbing in the back myth to save them, only a painfull stalemate and the aquisition of lot of land full of rebel and discontent, low level civil war and as OP win of the spartacist.
Italy is the big winner as the only power still on feet and the political uphveal is on the manageable side, after the aquisition of the irrendent land in the east, now she put her eyes in the west
 
The more probable scenario for that is a victory in the east with B-L and a stalemate in the west, with the Entente and the CP accepting the return to the status quo (naturally the German colonies are gone); the Ottoman Empire remain in shambles and will probably carved up by the Entente as OTL as Germany had more important things to do; A-H (by now a subsidiary of the German Empire) try to inglobe what she can, puppetize Serbia and Montenegro and not give Italy what promised (i assume that the Pod is Von Bulow succesfully broken a treaty between Italy and A-H).
Fast forward a couple of year and you get A-h in the middle of a multisided civil war who will end with Italy get is share, an independent Croatia, Serbia and Montenegro rebelling, outsting the puppet goverment and try to get back the territory lost plus somethin, Hungary remain a red nation; the only doubt is about Austria and Bohemia if they remain independent or be inglobated by Red Germany due to a revolution.
Germany will face the current political class lose any credibility and no stabbing in the back myth to save them, only a painfull stalemate and the aquisition of lot of land full of rebel and discontent, low level civil war and as OP win of the spartacist.
Italy is the big winner as the only power still on feet and the political uphveal is on the manageable side, after the aquisition of the irrendent land in the east, now she put her eyes in the west

This is a similar line to the one I was thinking of; German victory over Russia, vast stalemate in the west. Russia can still fall to revolution, and A-H's disintegration is only a matter of time (in my opinion). (Alot of this depends on how quickly Germany goes Commie; Spartacism was what I was thinking of, but I'm sure there are other contenders for power.)

"I can't see how Russia revolutionised and Austria-Hungary disintegrated can both exist in a world where Italy remains neutral."

Hopefully that eventuality has been outlined now?
 
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