Proposals and War Aims That Didn't Happen Map Thread
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I remember reading somewhere on this forum that the British Empire thought of making Kuwait a part of the British Raj, was this actually proposed, or am I confusing a random text from this site as truth?
I recall reading that the comment also said maybe adding Iraq as a whole to the Raj, but this would obviously not be feasible, so maybe the user confused Kuwait for Iraq.
I recall reading that the comment also said maybe adding Iraq as a whole to the Raj, but this would obviously not be feasible, so maybe the user confused Kuwait for Iraq.
It actually was! Kuwait, together with the Trucial States, Bahrain, Qatar, and Oman (and the Iranian port city of Bushehr) was part of the Persian Gulf Residency, which was administered as part of the British Raj from 1873 onwards!
So if anything the question was whether Iraq could've been added to the Persian Gulf Residency, too. That likely wouldn't have been possible, including because of the mandate status of Iraq...
Oh lol, really need to learn history right, thanks for the heads up!
Yeah I only knew about Aden being a part of the Raj, had no idea about the rest, however, Aden was detached from the Raj and made its own separate colony in 1937, so I think that I incorrectly assumed that the same was done for all other states.
Chief's Commissioner's Province of Aden - Wikipedia
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Oh lol, really need to learn history right, thanks for the heads up!
Yeah I only knew about Aden being a part of the Raj, had no idea about the rest, however, Aden was detached from the Raj and made its own separate colony in 1937, so I think that I incorrectly assumed that the same was done for all other states.
Chief's Commissioner's Province of Aden - Wikipedia
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There were proposals by Emperor Marcus Aurelius in the years 100s about annexing the central part of the Pannonian Basin (where the Iazygues lived, presumably under loose/informal Roman control) between Roman Dacia and Roman Pannonia; and to also annex "Marcomannia", modern day Bavaria, Czechia and Slovakia:
Aren't there more Indo-Aryan residents than Semites in multiple Gulf countries?
Yes but that's due more to modern slavery than their time as part of the Raj
I'm wondering how long Rome could reasonably hold those - it vacated Dacia fairly quickly, IIRC.
Maybe it could somehow convince all the people galavanting into the Empire that they are better off settling in those places?
Locals and stuff be damned, they'll figure it out themselves, what could possibly go wrong.... amirite?
Well, as far as I'm concerned, the withdrawal from Dacia was seen as a temporary mesure (the Legions were needed elsewhere, and the majority of Roman settlers there didn't withdraw with them, and daily life went the same as under Roman rule for some years) and not because they thought it was ungovernable. But we won't ever know for sure.
Santo Domingo isn't mentioned thou, and by 1881 Spain had already relinquished claims to the island.
We continue with Iberia with this quote:
"We will win at least 265 seats . The whole existing order will be overturned . Azaña will play Kerensky to my Lenin . Within five years the republic will be so organized that it will be easy for my party to use it as a stepping stone to our objective . A union of Iberian Soviet republics — that is our aim . The Iberian peninsula will again be one country . Portugal will come in , peaceably we hope , but by force if necessary . You see here behind bars the future master of Spain ! Lenin declared Spain would be the second Soviet Republic in Europe . Lenin ' s prophecy will come true ."
This was from Francisco Largo Caballero, the Spanish Lenin, before the elections of 1936. Apparently he evisioned a little USSR in Iberia. I don't know how it would consist, maybe a Catalan, Basque, Galician, Portuguese and Spanish socialists republics. I don't know what would happened with the african colonies tho.
"We will win at least 265 seats . The whole existing order will be overturned . Azaña will play Kerensky to my Lenin . Within five years the republic will be so organized that it will be easy for my party to use it as a stepping stone to our objective . A union of Iberian Soviet republics — that is our aim . The Iberian peninsula will again be one country . Portugal will come in , peaceably we hope , but by force if necessary . You see here behind bars the future master of Spain ! Lenin declared Spain would be the second Soviet Republic in Europe . Lenin ' s prophecy will come true ."
This was from Francisco Largo Caballero, the Spanish Lenin, before the elections of 1936. Apparently he evisioned a little USSR in Iberia. I don't know how it would consist, maybe a Catalan, Basque, Galician, Portuguese and Spanish socialists republics. I don't know what would happened with the african colonies tho.
As far as I can read on the screenshot and some guessing, I suppose he thinks that these possessions aren't as developed or populated to become states of its own, rather they would be federal territories or something like that.
How large was the population of the Philippines compared to mainland Iberia at the time?
According to wikipedia:
The 1877 census of the Philippines = 5,567,685 people (excluding non-Christians).
The 1887 census of the Philippines = 5,984,727 people (excluding non-Christians).
The 1903 census of the Philippines = 7,635,426 people
(the 1898 census wasn't finished...I assume for obvious reasons).
Demographics of the Philippines - Wikipedia
Census in the Philippines - Wikipedia
The 1877 census of Spain = 16,622,175 people.
The 1887 census of Spain = 17,549,608 people.
Demographics of Spain - Wikipedia
The 1878 census of Portugal = 4,550,699 people.
The 1890 census of Portugal = 5,049,729 people.
Demographics of Portugal - Wikipedia
The 1881 population of Iberia would probably be about 21 million. I'd say that the Philippine population would be just over a quarter of that.