Proposals and War Aims That Didn't Happen Map Thread

File:FR-WW1-1916-French-plans.png - Wikimedia Commons

Found this on wikipedia.
Nothing particularly out of the ordinary...
But Germany just got balkanised!

Can someone varify this?
 
File:FR-WW1-1916-French-plans.png - Wikimedia Commons

Found this on wikipedia.
Nothing particularly out of the ordinary...
But Germany just got balkanised!

Can someone varify this?
I don't think I've ever seen a more strange and disgusting way to partition Austria-Hungary. Also Prussia doesn't include Prussia for some reason.
 
It's French (take a look at the title in the map ;))
I did notice it said that, but the thing is this is definitely an adaptation of a printed map made during the war and I could've sworn there was at least a similar-looking Russian map somewhere in this thread. No big deal either way, really.
 
"Neubacher thought that it would be good to strengthen Nedic's position
not only domestically, but also territorially. Little came of the latter effort,
however. Its basis was to have been a Greater Serbian Federation, headed by
Nedic as the first president and consisting of Serbia, Sandzak, and Montenegro
(and possibly eastern Bosnia, though this was not openly discussed).116 Each of
the areas would have retained its autonomy in administrative and cultural mat-
ters, but they would have acted together as an economic and monetary unit. A
battalion of the Serbian Volunteer Corps was sent to Sandzak along with for-
mer minister Olcan, and in Montenegro the Montenegrin Volunteer Corps was
established in the spring of 1944 under Lieutenant Colonel Pavle Djurisic, for-
merly one of Mihailovic's leading Chetnik commanders, who owed some alle-
giance as well to Nedic and the Germans.117 Nedic did acquire some standing in
Sandzak and Montenegro, but it had nothing to do with the federation, which
was never formed, and it had absolutely no effect on his position in Serbia."

"At a much later date, in November 1944—when the Germans and all Serbian collabo-
rationist groups had withdrawn from Serbia—Neubacher reported on a conference with Pa-
velic in which the latter seemed willing to consider a territorial adjustment in eastern Bosnia
in favor of Serbia. Neubacher was not the only
German who entertained the idea of territorial adjustments between Croatia and Serbia in fa-
vor of Serbia. See, for example, the draft of a letter from the Wehrmacht Operations Staff to
the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of August 21, 1943, in which the transfer of part of eastern
Bosnia and Srijem to Serbia was proposed for discussion."

 
"Neubacher thought that it would be good to strengthen Nedic's position
not only domestically, but also territorially. Little came of the latter effort,
however. Its basis was to have been a Greater Serbian Federation, headed by
Nedic as the first president and consisting of Serbia, Sandzak, and Montenegro
(and possibly eastern Bosnia, though this was not openly discussed).116 Each of
the areas would have retained its autonomy in administrative and cultural mat-
ters, but they would have acted together as an economic and monetary unit. A
battalion of the Serbian Volunteer Corps was sent to Sandzak along with for-
mer minister Olcan, and in Montenegro the Montenegrin Volunteer Corps was
established in the spring of 1944 under Lieutenant Colonel Pavle Djurisic, for-
merly one of Mihailovic's leading Chetnik commanders, who owed some alle-
giance as well to Nedic and the Germans.117 Nedic did acquire some standing in
Sandzak and Montenegro, but it had nothing to do with the federation, which
was never formed, and it had absolutely no effect on his position in Serbia."

"At a much later date, in November 1944—when the Germans and all Serbian collabo-
rationist groups had withdrawn from Serbia—Neubacher reported on a conference with Pa-
velic in which the latter seemed willing to consider a territorial adjustment in eastern Bosnia
in favor of Serbia. Neubacher was not the only
German who entertained the idea of territorial adjustments between Croatia and Serbia in fa-
vor of Serbia. See, for example, the draft of a letter from the Wehrmacht Operations Staff to
the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of August 21, 1943, in which the transfer of part of eastern
Bosnia and Srijem to Serbia was proposed for discussion."

At this point in the war, a new Axis settlement in the Balkans is just shuffling chairs on the Titanic's deck, to be honest. But i'd be interested in seeing what it'd look like on a map -- perhaps all territories in Syrmia and those east of the Bosna river would be annexed?
 
Indeed, in an Axis victory scenario, Croatia would probably be very cannibalized. The Ustashe conduct was so appalling, that the Italians secretly started to support and aid the Dinara chetniks (a fact the Communists would later use). Germans didn't go as far, but would avoid working with the Croatian troops like the plague often. There are letters from Serbian prisoners how they pray that the Germans take them to Germany as forced labor instead of letting them stay in the Croatian camps.

In one notable occasion, the Stari Brod massacre, where a bunch of Ustashe started slaughtering refugees trying to cross the Drina. It was so bad some deliberately went in deep and drowned just to not fall in their clutches. According to witnesses and survivors, Nedićevci and Germans on the other side of the river tried to rescue many. Literally going against their own "ally."

Plus, Italy wants more Dalmatia, and Hungary wants sea access. Germany would want to hide it's own atrocities to make themselves look at least slightly presentable. The continued existence of the basket case that was the NDH is literally incompatible with any of these goals.
 
Yeah, there was one I remember seeing that was like that, that was actually German propaganda of the "this is what those fiends have in store for us!" type...
Nope, this map is pretty accurate of the war aims of at least Russia during WW1, here's a Russian propaganda poster right from the outbreak of the war showing what the map of Europe would look like if they won the war.
 

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Nope, this map is pretty accurate of the war aims of at least Russia during WW1, here's a Russian propaganda poster right from the outbreak of the war showing what the map of Europe would look like if they won the war.
Yikes! That one's interesting on a number of levels.... wish my Russian was better, I'm sure the explanatory text on the left might make sense of it all... maybe :p
 
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