Proposals and War Aims That Didn't Happen Map Thread

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So here's one proposal that leans more heavily on the darkly comedic: Last Divination by Yuri Petukhov, written in 1991-1993, where he lays out his predictions for the Apocalyptic era of 1997-2000. This may be one of the most absurdly paranoid anti-Western texts I've ever seen, putting even Vladimir Zhirinovsky and The Foundations of Geopolitics to shame, so brace yourselves. (Credit to Vanga-Vangog for the inspiration bringing it to my attention.)

According to Petukhov, starting on Valentine's Day 1997, the world would plunge into hell. The United States and its allies, who he refers to as the "UN-Pentagon", begin a campaign of global conquest on all adversaries. First, Cuba, North Korea and the north coast of Libya are all nuked into oblivion, then Africa and the Middle east are occupied and all Arab-speakers are wiped out. Afterward, Germany and Turkey invade and carve up Yugoslavia, killing most of the Serbs and turning the rest into slaves to work in mines, and the Vatican declares war on the Eastern Orthodox Church and the Pope himself orders all Catholics to begin slaughtering all Orthodox Christians worldwide. That's just the beginning.

But the real shitshow takes place in the former USSR. Most of Russia, including Crimea and Murmansk, are invaded and split up into new American states and protectorates, and the Americans fill their cities with cheap Chinese labor while all native Russians sent to artic concentration camps for their organs to be harvested. Most of the Far East is absorbed by Japan, who establish an apartheid-like system for Russians. Ukraine becomes a de jure independent state ruled by "German-Polish gauleiters," the Baltic States slaughter all Slavic-speakers to curry favor with the UN-Pentagon, and Central Asia, after being devastated by war and disease, is made into a huge quarantine zone, where outbreaks are quelled with napalm. Everything of value is taken from Russia- natural resources, technologies, works of art, intellectuals, cultural treasures, fertile women, everything. By the time it's looted of everything, Moscow is turned into a massive industrial landfill that the Russian people aren't allowed to visit.

The UN-Pentagon forms a new global order, with its only opponent being the People's Republic of China. Of course, they're more of a mild annoyance and are held in check by a naval blockade, so it's of no concern to them. This lasts for less than a year.

On Valentine's Day 1998, a massive storm devastates New York City, causing massive economic turmoil that leads to a race war in affected states, quickly spilling over into a brief but brutal Second American Civil War. During this time, a Russian-Jewish mafia (of course >_>) seizes control of America and causes the global order to break down, causing the UN-Pentagon to fracture into several factions fighting for control.

Germany is taken over by neo-nazis, who establish a Fourth Reich and begin Lebensrauming as much as they can, reaching as far as the Volga River. Neo-nazis also seize control over Boliva and eventually all of South America, joining with the Fourth Reich as overseas territories. Meanwhile, after their conquest of Turkey, the Reich seize Iran (now called Eastern Syria for some reason), wipe out all Persians with napalm, and continue on into India, where they contend with the remaining UN-Pentagon forces. They manage to stop the neo-nazis, but at the cost of millions of lives. Another opponent of the Fourth Reich is Greater Israel, who expands across much of former American-held Arabia.

Central America is destroyed by someone blowing up several underwater volcanoes with nuclear submarines, which was followed by thousands of helicopters and planes sent in to finish off the survivors and collect anything valuable.

Meanwhile, a new religious force called the World Ecumenist Church emerges and unites all major religions save for the nearly extinct Orthodox Church...which, since it's apparently the true form of Christianity, means that nothing will stop the rise of the antichrist and his Satanic rule over the world. Thus, they declare themselves the Church of the Antichrist. They begin enslaving people and all believers engage in drug-fueled parties while enjoying the horrific executions of dissidents.

But the most batshit bonkers thing? One of the treasures taken from Russia was the body of Lenin, which is moved to a secret medical facility in Zurich, where a project full of thousands of scientists funded by the IMF and Israeli government, are constantly supplying it with thousands of liters of pure Russian blood, extracted from about 80 million prisoners of the arctic death camps, in order to bring him back to life. And it works.

Japan sinks into the ocean. The U.S., Fourth Reich, Israel and China launch their nukes. The Ecumenist Church declares that the end is coming and only those who have slayed at least 100 people will get to live. After another year of war and a series of natural disasters, including volcanic eruptions that bury South America in lava, the human population is reduced to around half a billion, who fall to cannibalism. The remnants of the UN-Pentagon flee to bases in Antarctica, bringing in all the supplies, slaves and treasures they can...only to get killed off by some sudden volcanic eruptions.

Finally, after being fed the blood of millions of Russians, zombie Lenin emerges from the ruins of Zurich and roams the planet, killing and eating all remaining humans in about two months. Thus, the world belongs to zombie Lenin.

Apparently this is a saner version of his original vision. The original included the earth's core turning into a ball of spiders, somehow.
I may have coincidentally stumbled upon the original version you mentioned here
Not entirely sure (I find the text very hard to read) but the earths center does turn into spiders.
 
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I may have coincidentally stumbled upon the original version you mentioned here
Not entirely sure (I find the text very hard to read) but the earths center does turn into spiders.
Apart from proper names, place-names, very commonly-used words and a few cognates, my Russian comprehension is frankly too terrible to wade through that... but the illustrations are great :p
 
What does that word mean?
Mediatisation is the term used to refer to the annexation of minor secular and all ecclesiastical states within the Holy Roman Empire by other states, which happened in 1803 as part of the Reichsdeputationshauptschluss and ended in 1806 with the dissolution of the HRE and the creation of Napoleonic client states.
 
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I want to go back in time and give the Germans a spacebar.
I mean officially it was the "Hauptschluss der außerordentlichen Reichsdeputation" but Reichsdeputationshauptschluss became a popular shorter form of it (and the term has been etched into my brain forever due to history class).
 
A little something I whipped up -

The Land of Israel, as Promised in the Five Books of Moses

This is an attempt at representing the maximal extent of Israel that God seems to have promised to the Hebrews in the Books of Moses, specifically in these passages -

Genesis 15:18-21
"In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates: The Kenite, and the Kenizzite, and the Kadmonite, and the Hittite, and the Perizzite, and the Rephaim, and the Amorite, and the Canaanite, and the Girgashite, and the Jebusite."

Exodus 23:31
"And I will set thy bounds from the Sea of Reeds even unto the sea of the Philistines, and from the desert unto the river: for I will deliver the inhabitants of the land into your hand; and thou shalt drive them out before thee."

Numbers 34:1-15
"And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Command the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye come into the land of Canaan; (this is the land that shall fall unto you for an inheritance, even the land of Canaan with the coasts thereof:) Then your south quarter shall be from the wilderness of Zin along by the coast of Edom, and your south border shall be the outmost coast of the salt sea eastward: And your border shall turn from the south to the ascent of Akrabbim, and pass on to Zin: and the going forth thereof shall be from the south to Kadeshbarnea, and shall go on to Hazaraddar, and pass on to Azmon: And the border shall fetch a compass from Azmon unto the river of Egypt, and the goings out of it shall be at the sea. And as for the western border, ye shall even have the great sea for a border: this shall be your west border. And this shall be your north border: from the great sea ye shall point out for you mount Hor: From mount Hor ye shall point out your border unto the entrance of Hamath; and the goings forth of the border shall be to Zedad: And the border shall go on to Ziphron, and the goings out of it shall be at Hazarenan: this shall be your north border. And ye shall point out your east border from Hazarenan to Shepham: And the coast shall go down from Shepham to Riblah, on the east side of Ain; and the border shall descend, and shall reach unto the side of the sea of Chinnereth eastward: And the border shall go down to Jordan, and the goings out of it shall be at the salt sea: this shall be your land with the coasts thereof round about. And Moses commanded the children of Israel, saying, This is the land which ye shall inherit by lot, which the LORD commanded to give unto the nine tribes, and to the half tribe: For the tribe of the children of Reuben according to the house of their fathers, and the tribe of the children of Gad according to the house of their fathers, have received their inheritance; and half the tribe of Manasseh have received their inheritance: The two tribes and the half tribe have received their inheritance on this side Jordan near Jericho eastward, toward the sunrising.

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For the Mosaic Eretz Israel, there seem to be two possible layers of territory.

The first ring, which is shown in the normally colored territory of Israel, is the minimal acceptable definition.

The Southern Border that considers the River of Egypt to be the Wadi-El-Arish and in this instance the Yam-Suf to be the Red Sea generally and in this instance the Gulf of Aqaba. In the North, Mount Hor is defined as either Mount Hermon or the southern extent of the Anti Lebanon range, Mount Amana. The "Great River" which usually denoted the Euphrates is here interpreted as the Jordan, which is likely the weakest component of this identification but seems necessary if we accept the likely interpretation of the northern Mount Hor as being the southern Anti-Lebanon range.

A first-level subdivision is marked for the land of Gilead, consisting of land across the Jordan taken from parts of Ammon and Moab and the entirety of the Rephaite kingdom of Bashan, and settled by the tribes of Reuben, Gad, and the half-tribe of Manasseh. This land is treated differently to the Cisjordanian territories which are generally considered the Promised Land proper, so is marked behind a subdivision. On the whole ,the minimalist definition has the advantage of corresponding to the territories actually likely controlled by Israel at its maximal extent, except perhaps that it extends too far into Lebanon.

Behind second-level subdivisions and outlined in the color of vassals is the maximum possible extent of Israel.

In the South, this is largely driven by the occasional ambiguity of defining the River of Egypt and the Yam Suf. The River of Egypt, though most likely referring to the Wadi-El-Arish in reality, is often glossed (esp. in Medieval rabbinical sources) as being the Nile itself or one of its distributaries. Further is the perpetual confusion over the definition of "Yam Suf," or the Sea of Reeds. Most often this is translated as the Red Sea, but its exact identity is highly uncertain: it may refer to the Red Sea generally, or it may refer specifically to one of its inlets (the Gulf of Aqaba and the Gulf of Suez), or it may refer to some other body of water - the Bitter Lakes, the Gulf of Ismailia, or perhaps one of the distributaries of the Nile or a marsh of the Delta. With all of these sundry possibilities in mind, I have marked out a wide secondary territory which could perhaps be referred to as "Goshen and Sinai," extending well into Egypt, presumably inhabited by Hebrew and Hebrew-aligned shepherds.

In the North, the border is defined by two main components. The first is the identification of Mount Hor with the Nur Mountains, or the Amanus Range, in Cilicia. The second is the Great River, the river Euphrates. This territory could be called Aram of the Hittites, since it corresponds both to Aramaean kingdoms and Neo-Hittite states.

This maximalist definition is far beyond what Israel ever came close to controlling, though that may have been the point - these are essentially an irredentist fantasy. It has also been noted that this definition may be consistent with the maximal definition of Egyptian Canaan in the Late Bronze Age prior to the Battle of Kadesh and the Egyptian-Hittite Peace Treaty.

Surrounding Israel I have marked out a series of vassals, reflecting the consant assertion throughout the bible that eventually all states will come to recognize Israel as the chosen nation of the one God. I have tried to make these vassal regions correspond to the ethnic regions and states outlined in the Pentateuch. Egypt has been replaced by Misr. To the south lay Edom, the brother of Israel who God specifically prohibits the Hebrews to take land from. South of that lays the Midianites, who of course shared much with the Israelis, perhaps historically having been the source of YHWH. To the east of Israel lay the two sons of Lot in Ammon and Moab, who God again told to the Israelites to take no more land from following the conquest of Gilead. In the deserts of Arabia beyond these are two major Ishmaelite peoples, the Kedarites in the north and the Nebaiothites in the south. To the north is Aram Damascus, Aram Naharaim, and a perhaps too large Ur of the Chaldees. Cyprus is now Kittim, and in Anatolia one can see Tubal and Tarshish.

What you will note I have not done is the interpretation of the limits of Israel that say that the Euphrates and the River of Egypt (interpreted as the Nile) means that these entire rivers are meant to mark out Israel's border. This idea is a very late definition and is clearly contextually untenable, not at all what the authors of the Pentateuch had in mind.
 
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A little something I whipped up -

The Land of Israel, as Promised in the Five Books of Moses

This is an attempt at representing the maximal extent of Israel that God seems to have promised to the Hebrews in the Books of Moses, specifically in these passages -

Genesis 15:18-21
"In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates: The Kenite, and the Kenizzite, and the Kadmonite, and the Hittite, and the Perizzite, and the Rephaim, and the Amorite, and the Canaanite, and the Girgashite, and the Jebusite."

Exodus 23:31
"And I will set thy bounds from the Sea of Reeds even unto the sea of the Philistines, and from the desert unto the river: for I will deliver the inhabitants of the land into your hand; and thou shalt drive them out before thee."

Numbers 34:1-15
"And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Command the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye come into the land of Canaan; (this is the land that shall fall unto you for an inheritance, even the land of Canaan with the coasts thereof:) Then your south quarter shall be from the wilderness of Zin along by the coast of Edom, and your south border shall be the outmost coast of the salt sea eastward: And your border shall turn from the south to the ascent of Akrabbim, and pass on to Zin: and the going forth thereof shall be from the south to Kadeshbarnea, and shall go on to Hazaraddar, and pass on to Azmon: And the border shall fetch a compass from Azmon unto the river of Egypt, and the goings out of it shall be at the sea. And as for the western border, ye shall even have the great sea for a border: this shall be your west border. And this shall be your north border: from the great sea ye shall point out for you mount Hor: From mount Hor ye shall point out your border unto the entrance of Hamath; and the goings forth of the border shall be to Zedad: And the border shall go on to Ziphron, and the goings out of it shall be at Hazarenan: this shall be your north border. And ye shall point out your east border from Hazarenan to Shepham: And the coast shall go down from Shepham to Riblah, on the east side of Ain; and the border shall descend, and shall reach unto the side of the sea of Chinnereth eastward: And the border shall go down to Jordan, and the goings out of it shall be at the salt sea: this shall be your land with the coasts thereof round about. And Moses commanded the children of Israel, saying, This is the land which ye shall inherit by lot, which the LORD commanded to give unto the nine tribes, and to the half tribe: For the tribe of the children of Reuben according to the house of their fathers, and the tribe of the children of Gad according to the house of their fathers, have received their inheritance; and half the tribe of Manasseh have received their inheritance: The two tribes and the half tribe have received their inheritance on this side Jordan near Jericho eastward, toward the sunrising.

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For the Mosaic Eretz Israel, there seem to be two possible layers of territory.

The first ring, which is shown in the normally colored territory of Israel, is the minimal acceptable definition.

The Southern Border that considers the River of Egypt to be the Wadi-El-Arish and in this instance the Yam-Suf to be the Red Sea generally and in this instance the Gulf of Aqaba. In the North, Mount Hor is defined as either Mount Hermon or the southern extent of the Anti Lebanon range, Mount Amana. The "Great River" which usually denoted the Euphrates is here interpreted as the Jordan, which is likely the weakest component of this identification but seems necessary if we accept the likely interpretation of the northern Mount Hor as being the southern Anti-Lebanon range.

A first-level subdivision is marked for the land of Gilead, consisting of land across the Jordan taken from parts of Ammon and Moab and the entirety of the Rephaite kingdom of Bashan, and settled by the tribes of Reuben, Gad, and the half-tribe of Manasseh. This land is treated differently to the Cisjordanian territories which are generally considered the Promised Land proper, so is marked behind a subdivision. On the whole ,the minimalist definition has the advantage of corresponding to the territories actually likely controlled by Israel at its maximal extent, except perhaps that it extends too far into Lebanon.

Behind second-level subdivisions and outlined in the color of vassals is the maximum possible extent of Israel.

In the South, this is largely driven by the occasional ambiguity of defining the River of Egypt and the Yam Suf. The River of Egypt, though most likely referring to the Wadi-El-Arish in reality, is often glossed (esp. in Medieval rabbinical sources) as being the Nile itself or one of its distributaries. Further is the perpetual confusion over the definition of "Yam Suf," or the Sea of Reeds. Most often this is translated as the Red Sea, but its exact identity is highly uncertain: it may refer to the Red Sea generally, or it may refer specifically to one of its inlets (the Gulf of Aqaba and the Gulf of Suez), or it may refer to some other body of water - the Bitter Lakes, the Gulf of Ismailia, or perhaps one of the distributaries of the Nile or a marsh of the Delta. With all of these sundry possibilities in mind, I have marked out a wide secondary territory which could perhaps be referred to as "Goshen and Sinai," extending well into Egypt, presumably inhabited by Hebrew and Hebrew-aligned shepherds.

In the North, the border is defined by two main components. The first is the identification of Mount Hor with the Nur Mountains, or the Amanus Range, in Cilicia. The second is the Great River, the river Euphrates. This territory could be called Aram of the Hittites, since it corresponds both to Aramaean kingdoms and Neo-Hittite states.

This maximalist definition is far beyond what Israel ever came close to controlling, though that may have been the point - these are essentially an irredentist fantasy. It has also been noted that this definition may be consistent with the maximal definition of Egyptian Canaan in the Late Bronze Age prior to the Battle of Kadesh and the Egyptian-Hittite Peace Treaty.

Surrounding Israel I have marked out a series of vassals, reflecting the consant assertion throughout the bible that eventually all states will come to recognize Israel as the chosen nation of the one God. I have tried to make these vassal regions correspond to the ethnic regions and states outlined in the Pentateuch. Egypt has been replaced by Misr. To the south lay Edom, the brother of Israel who God specifically prohibits the Hebrews to take land from. South of that lays the Midianites, who of course shared much with the Israelis, perhaps historically having been the source of YHWH. To the east of Israel lay the two sons of Lot in Ammon and Moab, who God again told to the Israelites to take no more land from following the conquest of Gilead. In the deserts of Arabia beyond these are two major Ishmaelite peoples, the Kedarites in the north and the Nebaiothites in the south. To the north is Aram Damascus, Aram Naharaim, and a perhaps too large Ur of the Chaldees. Cyprus is now Kittim, and in Anatolia one can see Tubal and Tarshish.

What you will note I have not done is the interpretation of the limits of Israel that say that the Euphrates and the River of Egypt (interpreted as the Nile) means that these entire rivers are meant to mark out Israel's border. This idea is a very late definition and is clearly contextually untenable, not at all what the authors of the Pentateuch had in mind.
Any chance of a bigger map? That one is a bit on the tiny side.
 
A little something I whipped up -

The Land of Israel, as Promised in the Five Books of Moses

This is an attempt at representing the maximal extent of Israel that God seems to have promised to the Hebrews in the Books of Moses, specifically in these passages -

Genesis 15:18-21
"In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates: The Kenite, and the Kenizzite, and the Kadmonite, and the Hittite, and the Perizzite, and the Rephaim, and the Amorite, and the Canaanite, and the Girgashite, and the Jebusite."

Exodus 23:31
"And I will set thy bounds from the Sea of Reeds even unto the sea of the Philistines, and from the desert unto the river: for I will deliver the inhabitants of the land into your hand; and thou shalt drive them out before thee."

Numbers 34:1-15
"And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Command the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye come into the land of Canaan; (this is the land that shall fall unto you for an inheritance, even the land of Canaan with the coasts thereof:) Then your south quarter shall be from the wilderness of Zin along by the coast of Edom, and your south border shall be the outmost coast of the salt sea eastward: And your border shall turn from the south to the ascent of Akrabbim, and pass on to Zin: and the going forth thereof shall be from the south to Kadeshbarnea, and shall go on to Hazaraddar, and pass on to Azmon: And the border shall fetch a compass from Azmon unto the river of Egypt, and the goings out of it shall be at the sea. And as for the western border, ye shall even have the great sea for a border: this shall be your west border. And this shall be your north border: from the great sea ye shall point out for you mount Hor: From mount Hor ye shall point out your border unto the entrance of Hamath; and the goings forth of the border shall be to Zedad: And the border shall go on to Ziphron, and the goings out of it shall be at Hazarenan: this shall be your north border. And ye shall point out your east border from Hazarenan to Shepham: And the coast shall go down from Shepham to Riblah, on the east side of Ain; and the border shall descend, and shall reach unto the side of the sea of Chinnereth eastward: And the border shall go down to Jordan, and the goings out of it shall be at the salt sea: this shall be your land with the coasts thereof round about. And Moses commanded the children of Israel, saying, This is the land which ye shall inherit by lot, which the LORD commanded to give unto the nine tribes, and to the half tribe: For the tribe of the children of Reuben according to the house of their fathers, and the tribe of the children of Gad according to the house of their fathers, have received their inheritance; and half the tribe of Manasseh have received their inheritance: The two tribes and the half tribe have received their inheritance on this side Jordan near Jericho eastward, toward the sunrising.

View attachment 643171

For the Mosaic Eretz Israel, there seem to be two possible layers of territory.

The first ring, which is shown in the normally colored territory of Israel, is the minimal acceptable definition.

The Southern Border that considers the River of Egypt to be the Wadi-El-Arish and in this instance the Yam-Suf to be the Red Sea generally and in this instance the Gulf of Aqaba. In the North, Mount Hor is defined as either Mount Hermon or the southern extent of the Anti Lebanon range, Mount Amana. The "Great River" which usually denoted the Euphrates is here interpreted as the Jordan, which is likely the weakest component of this identification but seems necessary if we accept the likely interpretation of the northern Mount Hor as being the southern Anti-Lebanon range.

A first-level subdivision is marked for the land of Gilead, consisting of land across the Jordan taken from parts of Ammon and Moab and the entirety of the Rephaite kingdom of Bashan, and settled by the tribes of Reuben, Gad, and the half-tribe of Manasseh. This land is treated differently to the Cisjordanian territories which are generally considered the Promised Land proper, so is marked behind a subdivision. On the whole ,the minimalist definition has the advantage of corresponding to the territories actually likely controlled by Israel at its maximal extent, except perhaps that it extends too far into Lebanon.

Behind second-level subdivisions and outlined in the color of vassals is the maximum possible extent of Israel.

In the South, this is largely driven by the occasional ambiguity of defining the River of Egypt and the Yam Suf. The River of Egypt, though most likely referring to the Wadi-El-Arish in reality, is often glossed (esp. in Medieval rabbinical sources) as being the Nile itself or one of its distributaries. Further is the perpetual confusion over the definition of "Yam Suf," or the Sea of Reeds. Most often this is translated as the Red Sea, but its exact identity is highly uncertain: it may refer to the Red Sea generally, or it may refer specifically to one of its inlets (the Gulf of Aqaba and the Gulf of Suez), or it may refer to some other body of water - the Bitter Lakes, the Gulf of Ismailia, or perhaps one of the distributaries of the Nile or a marsh of the Delta. With all of these sundry possibilities in mind, I have marked out a wide secondary territory which could perhaps be referred to as "Goshen and Sinai," extending well into Egypt, presumably inhabited by Hebrew and Hebrew-aligned shepherds.

In the North, the border is defined by two main components. The first is the identification of Mount Hor with the Nur Mountains, or the Amanus Range, in Cilicia. The second is the Great River, the river Euphrates. This territory could be called Aram of the Hittites, since it corresponds both to Aramaean kingdoms and Neo-Hittite states.

This maximalist definition is far beyond what Israel ever came close to controlling, though that may have been the point - these are essentially an irredentist fantasy. It has also been noted that this definition may be consistent with the maximal definition of Egyptian Canaan in the Late Bronze Age prior to the Battle of Kadesh and the Egyptian-Hittite Peace Treaty.

Surrounding Israel I have marked out a series of vassals, reflecting the consant assertion throughout the bible that eventually all states will come to recognize Israel as the chosen nation of the one God. I have tried to make these vassal regions correspond to the ethnic regions and states outlined in the Pentateuch. Egypt has been replaced by Misr. To the south lay Edom, the brother of Israel who God specifically prohibits the Hebrews to take land from. South of that lays the Midianites, who of course shared much with the Israelis, perhaps historically having been the source of YHWH. To the east of Israel lay the two sons of Lot in Ammon and Moab, who God again told to the Israelites to take no more land from following the conquest of Gilead. In the deserts of Arabia beyond these are two major Ishmaelite peoples, the Kedarites in the north and the Nebaiothites in the south. To the north is Aram Damascus, Aram Naharaim, and a perhaps too large Ur of the Chaldees. Cyprus is now Kittim, and in Anatolia one can see Tubal and Tarshish.

What you will note I have not done is the interpretation of the limits of Israel that say that the Euphrates and the River of Egypt (interpreted as the Nile) means that these entire rivers are meant to mark out Israel's border. This idea is a very late definition and is clearly contextually untenable, not at all what the authors of the Pentateuch had in mind.
I like it, but when you said "a little something", you weren't kidding ;) Need a magnifying glass!
 
Found a 2006 proposal by a guy named Ralph Peters. It proposes what a Middle East with "better borders" might be, according to Peters:
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Original Site: https://brilliantmaps.com/new-middle-east/
I already see multiple issues with this proposal.
This map keeps showing up in this thread, and considering there are countries whose names can be abbreviated as ASS and SHIT it's fairly safe to say it's a joke.

Edit: I just realized it also features "WEST BANK (status undetermined)," which is just hilarious.
 
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Crazy Boris

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Found a 2006 proposal by a guy named Ralph Peters. It proposes what a Middle East with "better borders" might be, according to Peters:
View attachment 644501
Original Site: https://brilliantmaps.com/new-middle-east/
I already see multiple issues with this proposal.

Why do Lebanon, Yemen and Jordan expand?
Why does Afghanistan get Gilgit-Baltistan?
Why is Baghdad a city-state?
Why are Qatar, Kuwait, and the UAE labelled as losing territory when they look the same?
Why is Herat given to Iran?

the only response to this map is simply "why"
 
Why do Lebanon, Yemen and Jordan expand?
Why does Afghanistan get Gilgit-Baltistan?
Why is Baghdad a city-state?
Why are Qatar, Kuwait, and the UAE labelled as losing territory when they look the same?
Why is Herat given to Iran?

the only response to this map is simply "why"
This map is Religiously, Ethnically fair. I guess you don't get why Kujistan is majorily Sunni, why some middle eastern ethnicites are not just in a their country, Why the europeans divided it horribly.
 
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