Proposals and War Aims That Didn't Happen Map Thread

So here's an interesting plan from 1949 for dissolving the Soviet Union:
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A pretty high-quality map of a Lusatia proposal I found, which shows both the maximal definition of Lusatia (white and striped) and the minimal territory needed for a state of the Sorbs (white only).

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xsampa

Banned
A pretty high-quality map of a Lusatia proposal I found, which shows both the maximal definition of Lusatia (white and striped) and the minimal territory needed for a state of the Sorbs (white only).

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Look to the West has an independent Lusatia
 
By 1772, the Russo-Turkish War was not going so well for the Ottomans. This concerned the Austrians, who feared the Russians might expand their territory all the way to the Straits and gain total dominance in the Balkans. Kaunitz, the Austrian state chancellor, had convinced Empress Maria Theresa to sign an accord with the Ottomans to try and preserve the integrity of their state, but this accord stopped just short of being an actual military alliance, because the Austrians did not wish to go to war with Russia.

In January of 1772, Kaunitz floated a number of different ideas to deal with the present crisis. The plan that was ultimately adopted was what we now call the First Partition of Poland - Russia would withdraw from Ottoman territory and content itself merely with gaining control over the Crimean Khanate, while the territorial ambitions of Empress Catherine would instead be sated by a mutual division of Polish territory. Many of Kaunitz's plans, however, involved a partition not of Poland, but of the Ottoman Empire. After all, the Turks seemed to be on the verge of collapse anyway - why not join Russia in carving them up rather than trying to keep them intact?

The most novel and ambitious of Kaunitz's proposals envisioned the complete ejection of the Turks from Europe and the creation of two new kingdoms: The first consisting of Thrace, Macedonia, and Albania with its capital at Constantinople ruled by Catherine's lover Gregor Orlov, and the second consisting of the Morea, Crete, Cyprus, and unspecified Aegean islands to be ruled by an Austrian archduke. Kaunitz actually preferred partitioning the Ottomans to partitioning Poland and tried to push the empress in that direction, but to no avail. Maria Theresa's policy was guided by her own morality, and she would not consent to carving up the territory of a neighbor whom she had recently promised her protection. Even if such vast lands could be acquired, she wrote, they would be "purchased too dearly—at the expense of our honor, the glory of the Monarchy, and our good faith and religion." Ironically, the Austro-Turkish accord which Kaunitz had himself pushed for became the empress's reason to oppose his partition plans. As a result, it would eventually be the Poles, not the Turks, who vanished from the map of Europe.

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Direct acquisitions by Russia and Austria are indicated with stripes. The border between Austrian and "Rumelian" land is speculative, as are the names of the new states - Kaunitz's plan did not lay down precise borders or state what the new kingdoms would be called. The fate of the Danubian Principalities was not mentioned, so I have left them in, minus "Lesser Wallachia" (Oltenia) which was to be annexed by Austria. The Austrians considered a direct Austrian-Russian border to be undesirable, so it stands to reason that Moldavia would be maintained as a buffer state.

That was mostly wishful thinking, although Ottomans were in decline for most of the 18th century, it was still beyond the capability of Austria and Russia to capture all the Balkans and throw Turks to the Asia. Unlike what most people think Ottoman Empire was primarily Balkan centered, and they did everything to protect the their Balkan provinces, Russian army had to wait a few more wars until 1829 to succesfully penetrate the Danube defences and advance really deep into Balkans.
 
That was mostly wishful thinking, although Ottomans were in decline for most of the 18th century, it was still beyond the capability of Austria and Russia to capture all the Balkans and throw Turks to the Asia. Unlike what most people think Ottoman Empire was primarily Balkan centered, and they did everything to protect the their Balkan provinces, Russian army had to wait a few more wars until 1829 to succesfully penetrate the Danube defences and advance really deep into Balkans.
That's true... if you read the bios of some of the most prominent personages in the OE, right up until the end in 1918-1919, you'll find a large number were born in Greece, Rumelia/Bulgaria, Albania, Bosnia and the Sandzak... I think the number of Muslim Ottomans that were displaced and resettled in what is now Turkey through the course of the Balkan conflicts from 1877 or so on is frequently (and sadly) overlooked by later historians...
 

Crazy Boris

Banned
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Two years ago, there was a petition to change the borders of the Turkish province of Batman. This is what it would have looked like

It seems like a shitpost, but I assure you, this is a real proposal.
 
In the late 1920's and early 1930's, Communist Party of the United States member Harry Haywood proposed his own version of a independent African-American nation. According to Ibid, "The document was written by John Pepper under the title “American Negro Problems.” The article was published in the October 1928 issue of The Communist, and called for a Negro Soviet Republic within the United States." Totentanz0 mentions this in his Soviet Union plans document. Here is a map of what this country would look like:
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Divided Japan after a successful Downfall with the Soviets occupying North Japan and parts of Tokyo.
The problem with it is that "East Tokyo" is neither the eastern half of Tokyo, nor part of Tokyo proper. What we normally call Tokyo (the city) is the 23 Special Wards, which are all in "West" Tokyo.

In fact, "East Tokyo" contains just the following:
Machida
Hachioji
Akiruno
Fussa
Hamura
Ome
Nishi-Tama
Which in total constitutes just 1.4 million out of 13.5 million people in OTL 2016 Tokyo-do.

I don't think "East Tokyo" could be viable in any way. Not with that name.
 
Was this an actual proposal? Or are you just applying the Berlin Wall logic to Japan?
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Soviet Proposal for Allied Occupation Zones in Japan
Red = Soviet Union
Dark Blue = United States
Green = United States and China
Orange = China
Light Blue = United Kingdom
Gold = United States, Soviet Union, United Kingdom, and China
North Japan looks broadly correct, but that divided Tokyo doesn't cover the proposed occupation zone.
 
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