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Well here's S.365 from 1860. Interestingly the territory was referred to as "Arizuma" repeatedly in that bill.
Arizuma?
Is that intentional or a typo?
Well here's S.365 from 1860. Interestingly the territory was referred to as "Arizuma" repeatedly in that bill.
From Wikipedia:Arizuma?
Is that intentional or a typo?
Although names including "Gadsonia", "Pimeria", "Montezuma" and "Arizuma" had been considered for the territory, when 16th President Abraham Lincoln signed the final bill, it read "Arizona", and that name was adopted.
A victory for bad penmanship.From Wikipedia:
Did they claim all of it to the north? The map examples show a straight line border, which would still take almost half the remaining land,I thought it was all of what remains, as Mexico claimed Belize/British Honduras north of the Sibun River until 1893 and Guatemala claims Belize/British Honduras south of the Sibun River.
The Mexican government claimed all the way to the Sibun River, the proposal shown on the map was their idea of a compromiseDid they claim all of it to the north? The map examples show a straight line border, which would still take almost half the remaining land,
Do you have a source on that? Seems it will be useful for me in the future.The Mexican government claimed all the way to the Sibun River, the proposal shown on the map was their idea of a compromise
Belize (British Honduras): Odd Man Out, a Geo-Political DisputeDo you have a source on that? Seems it will be useful for me in the future.
Edit: Or did you mean for the proposed map?Mexico advanced a similar claim to the northern half of Belize as far as the Sibun River.
Assuming that the dots are populated areas, it's a bit unusual to put a border through a population centre.Page 9 of the Statecraft on the Eve of the Civil War:
“Population center” would be somewhat less back then. Given the curving the proposed border shows whenever there is a population on both sides of the line, I assume it is partially going by a river boundary at some point, or splitting the communities as best it can without actually slicing specific ones in two. Odd that Nevada, according to this, was apparently claiming parts of California, despite it already being a state.Assuming that the dots are populated areas, it's a bit unusual to put a border through a population centre.
Or perhaps it referred to the Zuma people?Maybe "Arizuma" was the result of a cross between Arizona and Montezuma? I know Montezuma was the proposed name for a state encompassing the entire New Mexico Territory, which at the time still included Arizona, southern Nevada, and southeastern Colorado, yet the Gadsden purchase hadn't yet happened, so modern Arizona south of the Gila River wouldn't have been part of Montezuma
"Population cluster" might have been a better term perhaps.“Population center” would be somewhat less back then. Given the curving the proposed border shows whenever there is a population on both sides of the line, I assume it is partially going by a river boundary at some point, or splitting the communities as best it can without actually slicing specific ones in two. Odd that Nevada, according to this, was apparently claiming parts of California, despite it already being a state.
Put this on the Worlda after a long bout of frustration, tears, and begging for assistance (thank you so much @XFE owe you my soul for this one)Supposedly some proposals for western states. Maybe someone could do some digging to find the listed house bills to check for accuracy
I doubt it, the Suma were nearly extinct as a distinct people by 1800, having mostly assimilated into surrounding Apache and Mexican Mestizo communities due to epidemics and raids
Doubt the Mormons would like that very much. Would that be Salt Lake City, Jefferson, or Salt Lake City, Nevada?Page 9 of the Statecraft on the Eve of the Civil War:
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Apparently, arizuma is Nahuatl for "silver-bearing" -- that's probably where it came from.Maybe "Arizuma" was the result of a cross between Arizona and Montezuma? I know Montezuma was the proposed name for a state encompassing the entire New Mexico Territory, which at the time still included Arizona, southern Nevada, and southeastern Colorado, yet the Gadsden purchase hadn't yet happened, so modern Arizona south of the Gila River wouldn't have been part of Montezuma
Unfortunately, that's a folk etymology – Classical Nahuatl at least doesn't have an r sound of any kind, and its word for silver is "iztāc teōcuitlatl" (which has the fun literal translation of "white god-excrement").Apparently, arizuma is Nahuatl for "silver-bearing" -- that's probably where it came from.
Salt Lake City, Jefferson.Doubt the Mormons would like that very much. Would that be Salt Lake City, Jefferson, or Salt Lake City, Nevada?
Edit: Salt Lake City would be placed in Jefferson. Now, another topic. Was splitting Mormon-inhabited areas between Nevada and Jefferson made to diminish the political powers of the Mormons?