Proposals and War Aims That Didn't Happen Map Thread

Discussion in 'Alternate History Maps and Graphics' started by Beedok, Jun 15, 2014.

  1. Christory Well-Known Member

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    Now here's a fun one: All of Vladimir Zhirinovsky's craziest ideas rolled up into one map. He's certainly had some very... colourful plans over the years:

    Soviet Reunion: This is the one part he's still advocating in the present day, most recently as a part of his policy platform for the 2018 Russian presidential election. In 2014 he had a separate plan to divide up Ukraine but to keep the borders looking neat I've excluded that.

    Former Russian Empire territories: In the 1990s, Zhirinovsky intended to negotiate an arrangement to purchase Alaska back from the US, and to annex Finland.

    The Middle East: In 1994 Zhirinovsky expressed interest in the idea of directly annexing Turkey, Iran and Saudi Arabia. He also was a big fan of Saddam Hussein, so I've put in Iraq as an independent puppet state.

    Japan: Zhirinovsky once planned to sell the Kurils to Japan for 50 Billion USD.

    Eastern Europe: In 2000 Zhirinovsky stated that it was vital that Russia build up a military alliance in Europe to counterbalance NATO, with Bulgaria and what remained of Yugoslavia as member states. He's also believed to consider the former Warsaw Pact countries to be part of the Russia's ideal sphere of influence.

    Bulgaria: In 1994 he suggested the addition of some of eastern Greece and coastal Romania to Bulgaria.

    Germany: At some point Zhirinovsky made comments stating that he preferred to see a Germany that was, "as small as Austria". I've done my best to interpret that here with an independent Bavaria (Germany's only major separatist movement) and the return of East Germany as another Russian puppet state.
     
  2. Analytical Engine Monarchist Collectivist Federalist

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    Ah Russia, when Putin is nowhere near the worst possible leader they could have.
     
  3. Coyote Knight Witch-King of the Apiary

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    That would have been a wild timeline.
     
  4. Coyote Knight Witch-King of the Apiary

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  5. Etruscan-enthusiast35 Human until proven guilty

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  6. damein fisher This bad boy can fit so many maps in it

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    Now just add that Armenian Mandate
     
  7. Mr_Fanboy Well-Known Member

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    I know that the scenario you are mapping is irredeemably implausible to begin with, but I have to wonder: if this expansionist Russia intends to partition the Baltic between itself and Germany, would it not make more sense to hand them Lithuania? This guy already wants to divide Poland between Russia and Germany and hand over Kaliningrad, so Lithuania would actually border Germany, while Estonia would only serve as a random enclave within the Russian sphere of influence. Furthermore, Estonia actually has a significant population of ethnic Russians, while Lithuania does not.
     
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  8. Admiral A. Kolchak Supreme Leader

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    And Wrangel Island.
     
  9. Etruscan-enthusiast35 Human until proven guilty

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  10. Christory Well-Known Member

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    While we're at it, here's every American expansionist plan on Wikipedia's "51st state" page combined (except Denmark since that one was more of a humorous comment than an actual idea).

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    Edit: Added the British Isles. Gibraltar is never mentioned so I gave it to Spain.
     
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  11. Etruscan-enthusiast35 Human until proven guilty

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    I didn't even know Poland was a proposal.
     
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  12. Chris S Member

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    If the British West Indies are being added then this map is missing British Honduras and British Guiana.

    Also the Falklands were suggested too in 1919 (that would have made for an interesting 1982 if Argentina still invaded...)
     
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  14. damein fisher This bad boy can fit so many maps in it

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    I'd add Belize and Guyana to, because why hot?
     
  15. ST15RM Ich bin ein AH.commer!

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    poland can into america
     
  16. Clandango Disestablishmentarianist

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    @Christory the plans were only to offer one to four of the most southern islands. The ones the Japanese claimed were not actually a part of the Kurile Islands.
     
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  17. Mr. Bubbles Well-Known Member

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    Some other colorful suggestions of his include:
    * Using the Baltic States as a dumping ground for radioactive waste, carpet bomb them, and possibly leave one of them behind "at least the size of Lichtenstein."
    * Using tactical nukes during the Chechen War.
    * Carpet bomb Poland
    * When there was tension between Russia and the UK in 2008, he advocating dropping nukes in the Atlantic to flood Great Britain
    * Breaking up Romania, stating that it's "an artificial state created by Italian Gypsies who seized territory from Russia, Bulgaria and Hungary."
    * Shooting all the birds in Russia to stop the spread of bird flu in 2006
    * Building a border wall to keep out Muslims and Asians.
    * Burning down Paris
    * Nuking Japan
    * In November 2015, after an incident in which a Russian jet plane was shot down by a Turkish F-16 after an air-space violation, he said that Russia must detonate a nuclear bomb in the Bosphorus to create a 10-meter tsunami wave, which would wipe out at least 9 million people in Istanbul.
    * Drunkenly threatened he would have Russian scientists alter the gravitational field of the Earth in order to sink the entirety of the United States into the ocean.
     
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  18. Etruscan-enthusiast35 Human until proven guilty

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    Truly that is the the most plausible of his ideas.
     
  19. Dementor Well-Known Member

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    As a German collaborator, Nedic wouldn't have dared to demand territory from German allies.
     
  20. xmoose Well-Known Member

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    Well, why demand anything from Croatia? And Banat, where was annexation to Germany or Romania (Antonescu was maybe Hitlers closer/most favourite ally) option?
    And Montenegro, italian puppet (but ok, maybe it is plan from 1943 or later, then there is no need consider Italy too much)